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Conviction in a court marshal can result in the death penalty. I'm guessing this is where the trial ends up, since the majority of those killed and wounded were servicemen, and more importantly the shooter was too. Court-martial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for what its worth.
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11-06-2009, 01:38 AM | #53 |
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The thing that bothers me about this shit is that they take other people. If you hate your life then kill yourself. These assholes have to take other people with them though. Just can't stand stories like this.
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11-06-2009, 03:51 AM | #54 | |
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right now the "he was muslim and went on a suicide mission" is not more likely than "he was bat crazy and crushed by the military structure" ...
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I mean, those are some substantial numbers right there, didnīt hear that much about it (then again german media doesnīt have the american military and itīs problems high on their list of priorities obviously) . |
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+2. That really jumped out at me, too. Just read this on him, in this story... Picture begins to emerge of Fort Hood suspect - CNN.com Quote:
My sniff test says this sounds like a case of a previously-valuable asset with a significant track record of good/excellent service who just went nutso, whether for non-religious or religious reasons. 12 years is an awfully long time to have been in the military with intending to pull something like this.
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weren't there multiple shooters though? or have they backed off that?
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See the lead story at CNN.com. They've backed off it publicly, at least.
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I think people are giving too much credit to the time in. When I was in some of the most jacked up people around were the ones who had been in for years and I met a fair share of Majors who weren't clicking on all cylinders.
Obviously going to this sort of extreme is another matter all together though, but I actually didn't see the rank or time in service as shocking. I think it's probably a mixture of factors from getting deployed to treatment or perceived treatment based off his name/religion, and what he's seen from people coming back. |
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I agree totally, when I served there was still quite a few Vietnam vets in and I swear some of them could not have functioned outside the military and like Calis I met more than 1 that was plain nuts. Lengthy service time and combat/pending combat experience, especially in places as fucked as Iraq/Vietnam seem to make some very susceptible to this type of thing unfortunately. |
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FYI, everyone in the military gets the National Defense Service Medal and Global War on Terrorism Service Medal. They're just medals to make Soldiers feel better because they don't have anything on their chest. The Army Service Ribbon is given out when Soldiers complete AIT or and Officer Basic Course. If he had the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, it would've meant that he deployed. |
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Heh. Freakin' Bobby Brady awards, eh?
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Yep.
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Yes, it can result in a death penalty but he did this int he state of TEXAS so they surely could get the death penalty quickly there. Shit they probably could get him a death penalty for each person killed. Flip the switch 12 times on the bastard. |
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Agree same experience for me as well. |
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I think that his religious beliefs factored in as the pressure/catalyst for him to snap, but were not to blame for the act no more than if the catalyst had been an unfaithful spouse. |
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That may have happened, but after all the false and mistaken reports yesterday I'm not going to take that at face value yet.
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Yeah, any one who is trying to just paint this as a crazy guy I think will have a tough time selling that one to the jury don't you think? Why would they even entertain that idea and help this guy get a insanity plea? I think there were obvious religious undertones at the least with these shootings. The evidence is already coming out he was a vocal opponent to the war's and had compared the suicide bombers top soldiers who jumped on grenades to save other soldiers. Not sure what it all means but it doesn't sound good for Major Hasan I would say for sure. I also have a question on where this Shrink got the two guns in the first place? I am assuming they were his personal privately owned guns? If it comes out he just bought these guns recently it will be a shame there was not some kind of check that could of alert the authorities that already had him marked as a possible threat. Last edited by Galaril : 11-06-2009 at 11:49 AM. |
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It is sad that someone who received so much sponsored training through our military repaid his debt with such violence.
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Kind of an easy out to just say that everyone who flies into a building or shoots up a military base while espousing their religuous beliefs were not really part of the religion. Maybe next you can tell me that gangs are completely safe because those who kill other people are not really part of the gang.
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This might have been the stresser. A fellow soldier ripped a bumper sticker off his car and keyed it.
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A very tragic day indeed. My heart goes out to the soldiers that lost their lives, their families, and every one directly or indirectly related to this massacre.
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One of the wounded grew up not too far from me.
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As for one of the rumors that there were multiple shooters. One of the two cops who shot him heard people telling him "two more...two more". He thought they were telling him there were two more suspects.
Actually they were saying...'put two more into him.' Officer Describes Hasan Firefight - CBS News It looks like there is still a lot that is unclear about what actually took place. |
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here is an article mentioning how rae it is for the death penalty in miltitary justice cases outside of war time/combat scenarios. Death penalty rare, executions rarer in military - Yahoo! News |
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I didn't realize soldiers weren't armed at all times. I expected an ankle holster weapon would be standard issue.
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Alleged Fort Hood shooter confirmed dead, 14 injured - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL KCEN-TV reported an active shooter at Fort Hood around 4:30 p.m. CT, and said several injuries have been sustained and one person has been taken to the hospital with injuries. The Associated Press reports the alleged shooter died of a self-inflicted wound, according to an internal Justice Department report. At least 14 have been reported injured in a shooting that reportedly started at the medical support building on Fort Hood in central Texas on Wednesday. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 04-02-2014 at 07:01 PM. |
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Seriously? Why do these tragedies always bring out the troll?
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Damn.
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NBC Dallas reporting that it appears to have begun with an argument in the motor pool. Shooter tentatively ID'ed as a 34 y/o enlisted man
3 Victims, Gunman Dead After Second Fort Hood Mass Shooting | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
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Various media outlets now reporting the soldier was an Iraq vet who was being reviewed for PTSD.
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