AL MVP announced

cartman · 11-17-2003, 01:09 PM

So, it ends up being A-Rod after all. Only the 2nd person to ever win from a last place team.

Now that the announcement has been made, what are folks' reactions?

Maple Leafs · 11-17-2003, 01:12 PM

Would have been nice to see Carlos Delgado win it, but I think they made the right call.

sterlingice · 11-17-2003, 01:15 PM

Has Steinbrenner put in his daily call to Selig because a Yankee didn't win the award?

SI

Ksyrup · 11-17-2003, 01:18 PM

They got it right.

HornedFrog Purple · 11-17-2003, 01:19 PM

Excellent, I can now cross A-Rod for MVP off my list. Now where did I put that World Peace thing....

cincyreds · 11-17-2003, 01:24 PM

I am glad that A-Rod won it.

I know he makes alot of money, but wouldn't take that kind money.

It is just rare these days to see a player get paid alot of dough and not play hard until the last year of his contract.

A-Rod plays hard along with getting that nice check.

Good job, A-Rod!! Keep it going buddy!

John Galt · 11-17-2003, 01:25 PM

It looks like the voters got it right. Finally!

sterlingice · 11-17-2003, 01:28 PM

I dunno- I think this one is right. Basically, if there is a standout statistical guy on a playoff team with not much help, they deserve it (why I think Bonds should get it over Pujols tomorrow despite the fact that I can't stand him). Then you have to go look at other cases: best statistical guy on a playoff team with help (Manny), standout statistical guy on winning team (Delgado), oustanding statistical guy (A-Rod) and try to balance them out. There's really no nice way to sort out those other cases since the award isn't well defined but I think A-Rod's season was more statistically standout than Manny was valuable or Delgado was a balance of the two.

SI

QuikSand · 11-17-2003, 01:31 PM

"They" got it right, despit themselves. Were there a fairly obvious candidate from a contending team, even with vastly inferior stats to ARod's that guy would have been anointed (cf. Miguel Tejada, 2002). But this year, with about six or eight such guys with only middling claims, they ended up splitting the "heavy on the V" vote, and the most outstanding player won after all.

Maple Leafs · 11-17-2003, 02:11 PM

Huge split in votes, with ten players getting a first place vote. Only six first place votes for A-Rod.

I still don't understand the Ortiz thing. Other than the fact that Red Sox fans liked to chant "MVP" when he came up, why exactly does he get four first place votes?

McSweeny · 11-17-2003, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
Huge split in votes, with ten players getting a first place vote. Only six first place votes for A-Rod.

I still don't understand the Ortiz thing. Other than the fact that Red Sox fans liked to chant "MVP" when he came up, why exactly does he get four first place votes?

Ortiz was a very big part of the Red Sox making the play-offs he had an amazing final 2 months. Always seemed to have the big hit. He pretty much carried the Red Sox down the stretch (with Nomar slumping horribly)

Ksyrup · 11-17-2003, 02:19 PM

Like I said in the other thread, the number of things Ortiz did at "clutch" moments this year was amazing. I think that is the only reason he deserved a few votes - although I would not have given him a 1st place vote. It's just another way to measure "valuable."

Alan T · 11-17-2003, 02:57 PM

Ortiz was a streaky player just like many streaky players.. Where he hit a ton of home runs and game winning RBI over the stretch of a month or two. Because Ortiz had his hot streak in September, while Nomar had his hot streak in the early part of the season, Boston fans became very fond of Ortiz and felt he carried the team to the postseason.

The question if Boston could have made it to the postseason without Ortiz became a popular one that many people felt the answer was no. People did not feel the same way about Nomar, even though Nomar won just as many games for the Red Sox as Ortiz did, just during a different part of the season.

And since alot of the ESPN commetary is New England based, guys like Peter Gammons helped continue to spread a David Ortiz for MVP sentiment around further.

The best player statistically in Boston for the year probably was Manny Ramirez, but Boston fans grew tired of his act and could not love him the same way they did Ortiz...

I guess that is where it came from.

John Galt · 11-17-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by Alan T
Ortiz was a streaky player just like many streaky players.. Where he hit a ton of home runs and game winning RBI over the stretch of a month or two. Because Ortiz had his hot streak in September, while Nomar had his hot streak in the early part of the season, Boston fans became very fond of Ortiz and felt he carried the team to the postseason.

The question if Boston could have made it to the postseason without Ortiz became a popular one that many people felt the answer was no. People did not feel the same way about Nomar, even though Nomar won just as many games for the Red Sox as Ortiz did, just during a different part of the season.

And since alot of the ESPN commetary is New England based, guys like Peter Gammons helped continue to spread a David Ortiz for MVP sentiment around further.

The best player statistically in Boston for the year probably was Manny Ramirez, but Boston fans grew tired of his act and could not love him the same way they did Ortiz...

I guess that is where it came from.

And besides, the argument for Ortiz made a hell of lot more sense than the argument for Stewart. Why can't writers like Stark understand that correlation doesn't = causation and that other intervening factors were more significant (pitching and specifically the move of Santana to the starting rotation)?

JW27 · 11-17-2003, 03:30 PM

A-Rod deserved it, its a shame its his only one...

11-17-2003, 01:15 PM	#3
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Has Steinbrenner put in his daily call to Selig because a Yankee didn't win the award? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

11-17-2003, 01:18 PM	#4
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	They got it right. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

11-17-2003, 01:19 PM	#5
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Excellent, I can now cross A-Rod for MVP off my list. Now where did I put that World Peace thing.... __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

11-17-2003, 01:24 PM	#6
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	I am glad that A-Rod won it. I know he makes alot of money, but wouldn't take that kind money. It is just rare these days to see a player get paid alot of dough and not play hard until the last year of his contract. A-Rod plays hard along with getting that nice check. Good job, A-Rod!! Keep it going buddy! __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

11-17-2003, 01:25 PM	#7
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	It looks like the voters got it right. Finally! __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

11-17-2003, 01:12 PM	#2
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Would have been nice to see Carlos Delgado win it, but I think they made the right call.

11-17-2003, 01:28 PM	#8
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I dunno- I think this one is right. Basically, if there is a standout statistical guy on a playoff team with not much help, they deserve it (why I think Bonds should get it over Pujols tomorrow despite the fact that I can't stand him). Then you have to go look at other cases: best statistical guy on a playoff team with help (Manny), standout statistical guy on winning team (Delgado), oustanding statistical guy (A-Rod) and try to balance them out. There's really no nice way to sort out those other cases since the award isn't well defined but I think A-Rod's season was more statistically standout than Manny was valuable or Delgado was a balance of the two. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 11-17-2003 at 01:29 PM.

11-17-2003, 01:31 PM	#9
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	"They" got it right, despit themselves. Were there a fairly obvious candidate from a contending team, even with vastly inferior stats to ARod's that guy would have been anointed (cf. Miguel Tejada, 2002). But this year, with about six or eight such guys with only middling claims, they ended up splitting the "heavy on the V" vote, and the most outstanding player won after all.

11-17-2003, 02:11 PM	#10
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Huge split in votes, with ten players getting a first place vote. Only six first place votes for A-Rod. I still don't understand the Ortiz thing. Other than the fact that Red Sox fans liked to chant "MVP" when he came up, why exactly does he get four first place votes?

11-17-2003, 02:19 PM	#12
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Like I said in the other thread, the number of things Ortiz did at "clutch" moments this year was amazing. I think that is the only reason he deserved a few votes - although I would not have given him a 1st place vote. It's just another way to measure "valuable." __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

11-17-2003, 02:57 PM	#13
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Ortiz was a streaky player just like many streaky players.. Where he hit a ton of home runs and game winning RBI over the stretch of a month or two. Because Ortiz had his hot streak in September, while Nomar had his hot streak in the early part of the season, Boston fans became very fond of Ortiz and felt he carried the team to the postseason. The question if Boston could have made it to the postseason without Ortiz became a popular one that many people felt the answer was no. People did not feel the same way about Nomar, even though Nomar won just as many games for the Red Sox as Ortiz did, just during a different part of the season. And since alot of the ESPN commetary is New England based, guys like Peter Gammons helped continue to spread a David Ortiz for MVP sentiment around further. The best player statistically in Boston for the year probably was Manny Ramirez, but Boston fans grew tired of his act and could not love him the same way they did Ortiz... I guess that is where it came from. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

11-17-2003, 03:30 PM	#15
JW27 n00b Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: South Dakota	A-Rod deserved it, its a shame its his only one... __________________ If I can't do it, It can't be done :) Simple as that.

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