NYC re-names street

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Mexico does not have Less guns Cam, if you truly believe that yer really naive. Just because you can only track 1/5 the guns doesn't mean the other 200% aren't there. Please don't be that guy.

To be honest I'm not familiar with that "survey" but something used by the government to track something with as large a negative image on society as Crime doesn't leave me with any warm fuzzies as to its relevence. The fact that it uses public opinion really does invalidate it in a discussion of ACTUAL CRIME NUMBERS.

We're not talking about how citizens feel here, we're talking about actual crimes committed and accounted for, let alone those not caught and prosecuted.

It may well be a great tool for helping governments plan things out and adjust for changes in crime within regions, but thats not what this discussion is about so please stop trying to change the subject.

*sigh* sadly I knew this would happen as soon as you posted. First the insult then a shift of direction to something you have a clue about. Thank you Cam for turning us away from the original discussion and creating a wonderfully negative thread.

Back on topic:

Police need tighter reigns on their weapons, not free-er ones. That is MY opinion and belief. It is based on what I've read in the news, it is based on my own experience in the field, and I think most of all, its based on a sense of needing our law enforcement personnel to have a higher moral code than a normal person. If I can't expect Police officers to be the best of us, why should I or anyone respect them at all? As with Illinis' example, if I can't trust them to to everything in their power to keep the firing from starting, I might as well get my gun and go after the bad guys myself.

Vigilantism at its best.

How ironic that you insist on shooting the messenger.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Excuse me, I'm lost. Can someone point me to the thread for posts that make math teachers weep?

Its that new math Pass, the one that doesn't actually use numbers...

[BYU 14]

I want to name a street after the Man vs Food guy.........Now that's a fucking hero!!

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I want to name a street after the Man vs Food guy.........Now that's a fucking hero!!

I second the motion!

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by panerd

I am sure I will catch a lot of shit for saying this and get a bunch of Wikipedia articles thrown in my face but gun ownership is what makes this country so free. The government can't be tyrannical if its citizens are armed. I am sure somebody will bring up Hong Kong or England or some other area as a counter example but let me ask you this... Why are the United States, New Zealand, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland so free? Why isn’t China? The constitution and bill of rights mean nothing if the government can impose its will on the people. I am sure Cam or somebody more versed in the 2nd amendment can make a much clearer and succinct argument (or maybe they don't agree, who knows?) but there is a reason why the founding fathers made that the second most important right.

(I know this is way off topic but it looks like that is where this thread is headed anyways)

I would say that was true over 100 years ago, but now technology has put the government at a massive advantage. If it really came down to it, a few rednecks in a militia aren't going to do squat against a military with stealth bombers.

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I would say that was true over 100 years ago, but now technology has put the government at a massive advantage. If it really came down to it, a few rednecks in a militia aren't going to do squat against a military with stealth bombers.

I think this came up in another thread, but can you serious imagine a situation in which the US military would use a stealth bomber to drop bombs in the continental United States?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I think this came up in another thread, but can you serious imagine a situation in which the US military would use a stealth bomber to drop bombs in the continental United States?

confirmed terrorists w/o human shields in an isolated location (say a compound or something) that pose an imminent threat (say they're working on a nuke or something)

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

confirmed terrorists w/o human shields in an isolated location (say a compound or something) that pose an imminent threat (say they're working on a nuke or something)

Okay... so you too think it's highly unlikely that the U.S. military would use a stealth bomber against "a few rednecks in a militia"?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Okay... so you too think it's highly unlikely that the U.S. military would use a stealth bomber against "a few rednecks in a militia"?

highly unlikely yes, but i don't think it's absolutely 100% outside the realm of possibility.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by RendeR

You're absolutely right on this, however the right to own a gun does not require that you have the right to own ANY gun.

Hunting Rifles, Fine, Shotguns, Fine. Thats about it. The average citizen needs nothing beyond those types of weapons for any reason.

Handguns, assault weapons and anything that could ever be made into an automatic weapon should be allowed on the streets.

If I want protection when I'm walking to my car at 2am, after working a fifteen hour day...I have to either 1) carry my shotgun to work (assuming my employer allows long guns in the building), keep it in my office and then lug it to my car or 2) or wait around for some creepy, unarmed rent-a-cop security guard to walk me to my car and hope he doesn't think about assaulting me because I have no way of protecting myself or 3) ???

I do not know the average response time of 911 in my area. I don't care frankly. I refuse to be the damsel in distress. It is my life. It is up to me to protect it, defend it, and if need be, pull the trigger.

You have a beautiful daughter. You know what evil things can happen to her. Do you want her to be unable to defend herself is she is ever faced with a life or death situation?

[Karlifornia]

lol I like that the two options are guns or nothing. Aren't there non-lethal defense methods that have been proven to work? Tasers? Mace?

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

lol I like that the two options are guns or nothing. Aren't there non-lethal defense methods that have been proven to work? Tasers? Mace?

Fists

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

lol I like that the two options are guns or nothing. Aren't there non-lethal defense methods that have been proven to work? Tasers? Mace?

I don't want non-lethal.

But of course, others might, and that's great that there are other tools available.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

I don't want non-lethal.

But of course, others might, and that's great that there are other tools available.

Sherriff Whitworth-Arpaio

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Sherriff Whitworth-Arpaio

You flatter.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

You flatter.

Well, I know how much women love pink.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Wow. Wow. Wow.

I've never seen ANY profession get as stereotyped as policing. Something that another officer does 1000 miles away can affect everyone's opinion of a cop from a completely different area. Well maybe, lawyers but that's just a known view that they are all scumbag liars.

I don't know if its fair or not but when it comes to police it is better to be safe(alive) then sorry(dead with crack and a gun you don't own next to you)

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Noop

I don't know if its fair or not but when it comes to police it is better to be safe(alive) then sorry(dead with crack and a gun you don't own next to you)

I would highly, highly recommend you find out if a police department near you offers a ride-along program. Take part in it. I'm sure after you do it, you'll gain a new appreciation for what they do everyday with little to no gratitude and attitudes like that.

Edit: And I think you do know that it's not fair to stereotype like that.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

I don't want non-lethal.

And right here we have a shining example of the real problem. People would rather Kill than make any other effort to be safe.

Thank you Farrah! My task is done here.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I think this came up in another thread, but can you serious imagine a situation in which the US military would use a stealth bomber to drop bombs in the continental United States?

No I can't. And part of that reason is the massive technological edge our military has over its civilians.

I was just pointing out that a revolution by force was much more realistic 200+ years ago when we were all essentially using the same weaponry.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

I would highly, highly recommend you find out if a police department near you offers a ride-along program. Take part in it. I'm sure after you do it, you'll gain a new appreciation for what they do everyday with little to no gratitude and attitudes like that.

Edit: And I think you do know that it's not fair to stereotype like that.

No thanks. I don't break any laws and I stay out of trouble that might bring the police. I've meet police who weren't bad but I have also see more bad then good ones in my experience.

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

lol I like that the two options are guns or nothing. Aren't there non-lethal defense methods that have been proven to work? Tasers? Mace?

German shepherds with frickin' laser beams.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Noop

I don't break any laws

LOL

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I think this came up in another thread, but can you serious imagine a situation in which the US military would use a stealth bomber to drop bombs in the continental United States?

If HCR fails Obama will be left with no other choice.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Noop

No thanks. I don't break any laws and I stay out of trouble that might bring the police. I've meet police who weren't bad but I have also see more bad then good ones in my experience.

What does you not breaking any laws have to do with you going on a ride-along?

[duckman]

Don't you know anything, illinifan999? Cops hate black people! They'll arrest him as soon as he walked onto the property.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

LOL

If you're referring to my gun it is now officially legal.

Originally Posted by illinifan999

What does you not breaking any laws have to do with you going on a ride-along?

I see no reason to go riding with police.

Originally Posted by duckman

Don't you know anything, illinifan999? Cops hate black people! They'll arrest him as soon as he walked onto the property.

And you would applaud them.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Noop

And you would applaud them.

Please. I would never wish that for you. I think you have some trust issues with Caucasians and police officers, but you are a good kid...just naive.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by duckman

Please. I would never wish that for you. I think you have some trust issues with Caucasians and police officers, but you are a good kid...just naive.

I have no issue with Caucasians, I don't trust police period no matter the color.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The worst moment of my life was when a black cop sprinkled crack next to me and ran off. Good thing I wasn't dead at the time. That would have been embarrassing for my family.

[Karlifornia]

Tudors has spoken.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Noop

I see no reason to go riding with police.

Then continue preaching your ignorance. You're no better than the old, white woman who is afraid of young, black males because well they fit the stereotype of a criminal.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I stand corrected then, I did not know you had ever lived outside the us letal one born outside it. the Majority of your life has been spent here and I feel that is turning your PoV greatly in this.

Many is subjective, but I will agree Many is generally more than 3. How ever many there are, the point I relate to them is the same, their crime rates are far better than ours.

Every time I go to Europe, I see police really, really well armed. Not just handguns and shotguns. I am talking quite a lot better.Think this might have an influence on the crime rate? I do.. I would rather break the law here than anywhere else in the world. It is safer here for those who are criminally inclined.