Gender Test

[RomaGoth]

Seriously? How "extremely complex, difficult" can a gender test really be? Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. That is all.

Gender test requested for 18-year-old runner - ESPN

[The Jackal]

Crafty south african sex change doctors..

[Danny]

Apparently you haven't seen the Lady Bugs with Rodney Dangerfield

[miked]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Seriously? How "extremely complex, difficult" can a gender test really be? Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. That is all.

Gender test requested for 18-year-old runner - ESPN

Thank goodness you're not a health or science teacher.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Seriously? How "extremely complex, difficult" can a gender test really be? Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. That is all.

Gender test requested for 18-year-old runner - ESPN

You might want to do a Google search on "ambiguous genitalia". You'll find a whole bunch of links to various conditions which make it not so black and white.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by Danny

Apparently you haven't seen the Lady Bugs with Rodney Dangerfield

As insanely dumb as that movie is, there's still a great joke in there that I use all the time. He gets into the back of his minivan as someone asks what he knows about soccer and he replies back, "Not much. All I know is I have a lot of balls." as they soccer balls come pouring out the back.

It's so stupid but it cracks me up.

[CamEdwards]

ambigious genitalia would be a great band name.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by ESPN

the results were not expected for weeks

I am thinking RomaGoth's method is somewhat faster.

Wasn't there a question in the original Trivial Pursuit asking who was the only athlete at the 1976 Olympics not given a sex test? This has had me believing for years that this was routine at major international competitions.

[Shkspr]

Until such time as the results come back, the runner shall be referred to as "Caster GaGa".

[Greyroofoo]

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by BrianD

You might want to do a Google search on "ambiguous genitalia". You'll find a whole bunch of links to various conditions which make it not so black and white.

Yeah I am pretty sure I won't be looking that up on Google. Thanks though.

[Autumn]

"I can't say that if 'X' happens in the future that we will, for example, retroactively strip results. It's legally very complex," Davies said.

This was the best line involved. X indeed.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Yeah I am pretty sure I won't be looking that up on Google. Thanks though.

Why ask the question then? ;-)

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Why ask the question then? ;-)

Well played. I suppose I will now have to look it up to validate this thread, no?

[Autumn]

Technically, yes. However, I think given the history of threads around here you're pretty much free to ignore it.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by rowech

As insanely dumb as that movie is, there's still a great joke in there that I use all the time. He gets into the back of his minivan as someone asks what he knows about soccer and he replies back, "Not much. All I know is I have a lot of balls." as they soccer balls come pouring out the back.

It's so stupid but it cracks me up.

There are so many stupid jokes in that movie that make me laugh. I really like that movie, even to this day.

RIP Jonathan Brandis

[The Jackal]

Well, she? won easily.

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Hail, Hail, Robonia
A land I didn't make up!

[Greyroofoo]

Report: Semenya has male, female sex organs

[PilotMan]

Seriously, how humiliating would it be to have to endure this? I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Seriously, how humiliating would it be to have to endure this? I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Yes, I really feel for that poor ...umm... person.

In all seriousness though, yeah, it's a pretty horrible situation.

[Sgran]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yes, I really feel for that poor ...umm... person.

In all seriousness though, yeah, it's a pretty horrible situation.

I agree. What are her chances of leading a normal life after this?

[miami_fan]

So it will take the IAAF until November to come up with a politically correct response to this? Come on now. Make a call

[EagleFan]

This is an extremely grey area. This is not a normal case and of course they want to take time to decide how to handle it. This person is not exactly a woman and is competing in women's sports. The reason that women don't compete against men is that it is no competition (on a comparable level).
Everyone is so concerned with how fair it is to this person, what about how fair it is to every other competitor?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

This is an extremely grey area. This is not a normal case and of course they want to take time to decide how to handle it. This person is not exactly a woman and is competing in women's sports. The reason that women don't compete against men is that it is no competition (on a comparable level).
Everyone is so concerned with how fair it is to this person, what about how fair it is to every other competitor?

Well this person is not exactly a man either. I assume that the IAAF has some sort of guidelines or rules that set the requirements for competing men and competing women. There should be something for this area as well. This is not the first time this type of situation has occurred. According to IAAF, there were similar athletes who competed as women in the Atlanta Olympics. Maybe they need to conduct tests on all the athletes to get confirmation of gender before they actually allow them to race.

[MIJB#19]

I can already imagine the 2040 Olympics, with people contesting in five gender categories in all the gender seperated sports:
81-100% female
61-80% female
40-60% female
20-39% female
0-19% female

brrrrrr

[Passacaglia]

She's calling it a bad deal in A.C. | Philadelphia Daily News | 09/15/2009

She's calling it a bad deal in A.C.

In poker lingo, they're known as "bad beats." And an upstate New York woman has taken a couple recently, in real life as well as at the table.

On Saturday, Nicole Rowe, 40, of West Windsor, N.Y., placed second in a poker tournament at the Borgata in Atlantic City.

Second place is usually nothing to sneeze at, but what really miffed Rowe was that she lost to a man in what was supposed to be a women-only event.

Rowe, who has been diagnosed with breast cancer, had hoped that the top prize in the Ladies No-Limit Texas Hold 'Em tournament would pay for her living expenses while she recuperated from the mastectomy she expects to have at the end of the month.

She was among more than 260 women who each put up $300 to play in the tournament, but when the dust cleared, Abraham Korotki, 65, of Ventnor City, N.J., took home the trophy and $20,982 first prize.

"When you're a woman and you play poker, 99 percent of the time you're at a table with nine men," Rowe, who won $11,889, said yesterday during a phone interview, adding that playing against a field of women is "something I look forward to.

"Why did he have to ruin it for us? Why would he do this?"

So what was a man doing in a game clearly meant for the XX chromosome set?

Korotki - a semiretired real-estate developer who said yesterday that he's donating his winnings to three charities, including one dedicated to breast cancer - said his motives were purely innocent.

He explained that he entered the women's competition after quickly being eliminated from another, more-expensive tournament in which he went "all-in" with a pair of aces against two pair.

He said that he simply "wanted to get back on the horse," and signed up because he had earlier seen "five to 10" other men in the registration line.

Borgata officials said that they were not aware of any other male participants, nor were any other men pointed out by female players.

Korotki insisted that Borgata staffers never told him that he couldn't play in the tournament and insisted that he wouldn't have made a fuss if he'd been asked to stay out of it.

"I have great respect for the people at Borgata," he said.

"If someone had said, 'Abe, you can play, but please don't,' I would have said, 'Fine,' and gone home and been bored until the next tournament."

From the casino's standpoint, there was no option other than to seat Korotki.

"Borgata offers specialty tournaments, including the Ladies event," Joe Lupo, the gaming hall's senior vice-president, said in a statement.

"In the spirit of this event, it was our hope that only women would have participated, as has happened in the past. . . . However, given legal requirements, we must allow anyone who is over the age of 21 the opportunity to participate."

Korotki's entering the tournament aside, Rowe also was steamed that he refused to "chop" the pot with her as they began one-on-one play.

In poker tournaments, remaining players can agree to split the prize pool (in this case, each would have claimed more than $16,000).

But when Rowe asked Korotki to chop: "He said, 'The money is not important to me. The only way I will chop the pot is if I get the trophy,' " she said.

Rowe rejected the deal. "I could have used the [extra money], but I couldn't do it," she said. "I'm a competitor. And I was competing not just for me, but for every woman in the tournament."

Korotki didn't dispute Rowe's account.

But he said he didn't think it right that "she wanted to take the title without playing for it." And when one-on-one play commenced, he noted, he had the lead by about $200,000 (in tournament-play chips).

Nevertheless, both players claimed that there are no hard feelings.

Each acknowledged that earlier in the contest Korotki, after hearing from Rowe about her illness, purposely played a weak hand against her in hopes of helping her build her chip stack (she doubled her amount by winning the hand).

"She's a very lovely woman," Korotki said.

"My wife and I wished her the absolute best."

[Subby]

Korotki's entering the tournament aside, Rowe also was steamed that he refused to "chop" the pot with her as they began one-on-one play.

In poker tournaments, remaining players can agree to split the prize pool (in this case, each would have claimed more than $16,000).

But when Rowe asked Korotki to chop: "He said, 'The money is not important to me. The only way I will chop the pot is if I get the trophy,' " she said.

Rowe rejected the deal. "I could have used the [extra money], but I couldn't do it," she said. "I'm a competitor. And I was competing not just for me, but for every woman in the tournament."

SCORE ONE FOR WOMEN'S LIB!

[Samdari]

Take the money. Have your own trophy made. Sheesh.

[Butter]

So, the Borgata says chip dumping = YES!

[Solecismic]

It's taken me 15 years, but I'm finally starting to understand the appeal of ESPN's X Games.

Another 15, and I'll figure out why half the world is seemingly obsessed with Lady GaGa.

[Logan]

Think the guy handled it pretty well.

[Travis]

I'm sorry, you can't offer to chop the pot then play the competitive card when he says he'll only do so if he can have the trophy. Trotting out a line like, "I'm a competitor. And I was competing not just for me, but for every woman in the tournament." when you're the one who brought up the idea of splitting the pot is hypocrisy at it's finest.