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RIAA wins 1.9 million lawsuit. No mention on FOFC. That's slipping.
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Personally, I'm not sure she went about her defense the right way. She was trying to say she was innocent of the act and it was pretty obvious she wasn't. She was using the same login she used for her email, facebook, ect. Still, this is a ridiculous award and will likely not stand. hxxp://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/music/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218100335
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06-19-2009, 01:42 PM | #2 |
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There's a reason only 1 out of 30,000 of these suits went to trial...
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06-19-2009, 01:44 PM | #3 |
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I think not having deep enough pockets to afford the lawsuit as a greater deterrent to trials than the possible loss of money you'll never be able to pay in the first place. This woman's lawyers are pro bono which was the only way she could fight the issue and likely why she fared so badly.
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06-19-2009, 02:00 PM | #4 |
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Twelve jurors agreed on $80,000 per song, that is nuts.
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06-19-2009, 02:09 PM | #5 |
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i wonder how many of those jurors had illegally downloaded music on their computers at home? or didn't own computers
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I download most of my music from random web pages on the internet or Limewire. Neither require you to actually login. Was she using some kind of music site she had to login to; so they could track her? Anyway, I once received a letter many years ago from my former ISP that they were contacted by Universal Studios because I had downloaded a movie of theirs. I was warned to quit doing this and they also advised I check my router for security, as I guess someone other than me can use my wireless router without having to login to download illegal things. Who knew? Last edited by NewIdentity : 06-19-2009 at 02:25 PM. |
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06-19-2009, 02:28 PM | #8 |
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He's also unaware of basic security protocols... JUST LIKE YOU'D EXPECT OF A SPAMBOT.
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06-19-2009, 02:39 PM | #9 |
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The only thing that I'm really curious about is what songs did she download?
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I hadn't seen it, but I'll give the decision a big woot, an attaboy, and a waytogo.
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06-20-2009, 01:15 AM | #11 |
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Always nice to hear from the radically wack Jon. Hows the wife and my kids?
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From one "rumor" website... 1.Vanessa Williams - Save the best for last 2.Sheryl Crow - Run baby run 3.Reba McEntire - One honest heart 4.Janet Jackson - let's wait awhile 5.Guns n Roses - Welcome to the jungle 6.Guns n Roses - November rain 7.Def Leppard - Pour some sugar on me 8.Bryan Adams - Somebody 9.Aerosmnith - Cryin 10.Linkin Park - One step closer 11.Green Day - Basket case 12.Goo Goo Dolls - iris 13.No Doubt - Hella Good 14.No Doubt - Different people 15.No Doubt - Bathwater 16.Sarah McLaughlan - Building a mystery 17.Sarah McLaughlan - Possession 18.Gloria Estefan - Rhythm is gonna get you 19.Gloria Estefan - Here and we are 20.Gloria Estefan - Coming out of the dark 21.Journey - Faithfully 22.Journey - Don't stop believin 23.Destiny's Child - Bills, bills, bills 24.Richard Marx - Now and for ever I'm fairly certain that for $80K, some of those artists would live at her house and sing those songs for her whenever she asked. |
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I am all for her getting punished... but $80,000 a song? Come on. At $.99 a song, she would have had to have shared EACH SONG with 80,808 people. She was found guilty of 24 counts, so that is 1,939,392 shares. At 4MB a song, she would have had to have shared over 7 TERABYTES of music. I don't care what the law says, in my mind, this is cruel and unusual punishment. The punishment does not equal the crime. |
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80k a pop for 3 No Doubt, 2 Sarah McLaughlan, and a Bryan Adams song? Ouch. |
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I'll stick with the study that showed that people who pirate music purchase a significant amount more than their "law abiding" counterparts.
They're also probably much more satisfied with their puchases as a result.
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So what happens if the verdict stands after all the appeals? Does she just file for bankruptcy?
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You pick out those but overlook Richard Marx? |
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Pretty much, she said "I'm a single mom, so they're not going to be anything for them to get anyway"
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they don't actually expect to recoup the money, this isn't about the monetary damages of the trial, this is about the verdict and the verdict alone, so that they can point at this and threaten OTHER people.
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She has to lose, whatever the monetary amount it will be settled upon eventually as more cases are there to establish precedence. The amount is the headline, but it doesn't change the nature of whether you will be found guilty and have to pay something. I'm sure the penalties will converge towards some more sensible standard as more cases pop up and some sort of precedent is set for reasonable punishment.
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This would be the BIGGER reason that only 1 in 30k of these go to trial. |
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hxxp://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/18256.cfm This issue has gone far beyond protecting a copyright into simple extortion and these people need to be stopped.
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So merely the great majority of these people are actually guilty of what they are accused? Or is it more than just a small percentage that are turning out to be falsely accused?
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The point is, why allow an entity to engage in witchhunts costing innocent people time and money with no merit? If they harass you in error and still force a "settlement" when clearly wrong then they really shouldn't be allowed to have that kind of power. They didn't let the mafia have it, why the record industry?
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dola - I do realize they're not suing people any more so this is kinda retroactive outrage but I still think their tactics almost require they be disbanded and a new group be chosen to reflect the new direction of the fight against piracy. I'm not against the fight ( I'm a long time Rhapsody guy ), just the fighters and I think they could win a lot of support by matching the new approach with a new watchdog.
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Still theft. If I'm into designer jeans and buy a lot of them, it doesn't mean that gives me a free pass to shoplift a few every few times.
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Of course, that means she could download 12 songs if she wanted to.
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They're still suing, btw, they apparently lied to congress (big shock, eh?)
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Hopefully some of that rhetoric about cutting down on fraudulent lawsuits is applied to corporations and their lackeys as well.
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