Roguelike Comp Pre-#3 discussion

[JAG]

I thought I'd create a new thread to discuss the upcoming comp. It seems like we lost some steam with the last one and I think it'd be a good idea to keep the same Monday start schedule but either begin the new one either 1-2 weeks from this upcoming Monday to give people a chance to recharge their batteries.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I think going with ToME as the new variant is the way to go for a few reasons, mostly that it's more friendly and user-friendly than Z+ (more good items available early on, wilderness is far less threatening and not even necessary to fight in, far more documentation available). I also like that money is far less important, in Z+ since items were so scarce you needed to fret over each gp so you could buy your good items instead of taking them off monster corpses. Better still, even though everyone will run the same characters, there will be a great deal more variety between them because ToME introduces skill points to distribute upon leveling up that let you decide the direction of your character. In the opening post for the competition, I will provide a lot of information about the new mechanics and where to get more information so people who are new to it don't feel lost. The nice thing is about 99% of the commands are the same from Z+ so there won't be that much of a learning curve.

I will probably make the intro post about a week before the competition officially starts in case people want to get their feet wet with the new variant and then I'll post the character file when it's time for it to start in earnest. It might take that long to read the opening post.

Any thoughts from people as far as type of character you'd want to see or whatever options might make it more fun for you, feel free to have the discussion here, or else I'll just come up with everything and hope people have a good time.

[Thomkal]

TOME is fine with me, its like the "Anti-ZPlusAngband" An extra week off to let people recharge their batteries is fine with me, but fine with not taking the week off too. What version of TOME will we be using? It's been a while since I played that variant and given its history, the latest version probably looks a lot different than the versions I have. Will give ideas for classes/races once I have a chance to look at the newest version.

Thanks for running this comp JAG.

[Malificent]

TOME is fine with me too - I'm happy to let you make all the decisions.

[Sporkimata]

Never done Tome but I'm game for anything.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

What version of TOME will we be using?

T.o.M.E 2.3.5. From my research, there was some work being done on a version 3, but it's in alpha and not fit for serious gameplay. Also, it seems that the original coder is no longer working on the game and the group that's taken over is not very organized and/or active.

[Sporkimata]

I been messing around with Tome this morning and must say very interesting. I like it. I'd be totally for it.

[dwardzala]

I'm game for ToME as well - just need to know where to get it.

[dwardzala]

dola;

Does ToME work with the tile set that improved Zangband? Also, first game I got hit over the head, ended up in the theives guild dungeon and got killed trying to escape.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by dwardzala

I'm game for ToME as well - just need to know where to get it.

TOME's homepage is at:
ToME: Troubles of Middle Earth

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by dwardzala

dola;

Does ToME work with the tile set that improved Zangband? Also, first game I got hit over the head, ended up in the theives guild dungeon and got killed trying to escape.

Don't know about the tile set, but the real dungeon entrance you want rather than the thieves guild dungeon is outside of town to the west. You should be able to handle the thieves guild dungeon pretty quickly after your first trip down in the real dungeon.

[Thomkal]

Not sure I have a race/class suggestion for you JAG. In looking over the possibilities, there are so many unique classes that it would perhaps be a shame not to try one, but a lot of those are hard to play. Then there's the gods in this variant, so a priest of one of them or a character that worships one seems like a good idea too.

[JAG]

It does work with the tile set, I use it myself. I'll write up the long intro post tomorrow and we'll plan on a Memorial Day start.

[Sporkimata]

Here is an example dump of a character I played with today up until I became very careless of course.

[ToME 2.3.5 Character Sheet]

Name : Glerramos Age 45 STR: 22
Sex : Male Height 97 INT: 9
Race : Beorning Weight 212 WIS: 12
Class : Demonologist Social Class 57 DEX: 14
Body : Player Con: 20 21
God : Nobody CHR: 3

+ To Melee Hit 27 Level 23 Hit Points -1102/ 344
+ To Melee Damage 24 Experience 13982 Spell Points 34/ 34
+ To Ranged Hit 2 Max Exp 13982 Sanity 120/ 120
+ To Ranged Damage 5 Exp to Adv. 15300
AC 38+45 Gold 25557 Speed Slow (-1)

(Miscellaneous Abilities)
Fighting : Heroic Perception : Fair Blows/Round: 3
Bows/Throw : Good Searching : Fair Shots/Round: 1
Saving Throw: Bad Disarming : Bad Mel.dmg/Rnd: 3d7+72
Stealth : Bad Magic Device: Heroic Infra-Vision: 30 feet
Tactic: normal
Explor: normal
(Character Background)
You are a descendant of Beorn to the 3rd degree. You are
the adopted child of a Serf. You are a credit to the
family. You have brown eyes, straight brown hair, and an
average complexion.


[Miscellaneous information]

Joke monsters: OFF
Maximize mode: ON
Preserve Mode: ON
Autoscum: ON
Small Levels: ON
Arena Levels: ON
Always unusual rooms: OFF
Persistent Dungeons: OFF

Recall Depth:
Barrow-Downs: Level 10 (500')
Orc Cave: Level 12 (600')
The Old Forest: Level 13 (650')

Your body was a Player.
You have defeated 2442 enemies.
You have completed three princess quests.
You have completed three lost sword quests.

You started your adventure the 43rd Yavie of the 2890th year of the third age.
You ended your adventure the 2nd Enderi of the 2890th year of the third age.
Your adventure lasted 13 days.

Your Attributes:
You are dead, killed by a Fastitocalon in a deep water area southwest of Bree.
You can turn into a bear.
You are bleeding.
Your eyes are sensitive to infrared light.
You can see invisible creatures.
You levitate just over the ground.
You can sense the presence of dragons.
You are lucky.
You are resistant to acid.
You are resistant to cold.
You are completely fearless.
Your eyes are resistant to blindness.
Your strength is sustained.
Your constitution is affected by your equipment.
Your stealth is affected by your equipment.
Your searching ability is affected by your equipment.
Your digging ability is affected by your equipment.
Your weapon is a great bane of dragons.


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Add Str : ...............+
Add Con : 2...............
Add Stea. : ...........1....
Add Sear. : .........4......
Add Tun.. : ..............6.
Kill Drag.: +...............
Sust Str : ...............+
Sust Int : ................
Sust Wis : ................
Sust Dex : ................
Sust Con : ................
Sust Chr : ................
Invisible : ................
Mul life : ................
Sens Fire : ................
Reflect : ................
Free Act : ................
Hold Life : ................
Res Acid : ....+...........
Res Elec : ................
Res Fire : ................
Res Cold : +...............
Res Pois : ................
Res Fear : +...............
Res Light : ................
Res Dark : ................
Res Blind : .........+......
Res Conf : ................
Res Sound : ................
Res Shard : ................
Res Neth : ................
Res Nexus : ................
Res Chaos : ................
Res Disen : ................
Levitate : ...+............
See Invis : .........+......
Dragon.ESP: +...............

Skills (points left: 0)
- Combat 26.534 [0.750]
- Weaponmastery 16.619 [0.750]
. Sword-mastery 27.600 [0.600]
. Archery 06.500 [0.400]
- Sneakiness 01.900 [1.800]
. Stealth -02.000 [0.400]
. Disarming 01.400 [1.800]
- Magic 07.859 [0.700]
. Magic-Device 27.800 [1.150]
. Demonology 20.000 [1.000]
- Spirituality -01.000 [0.700]
. Prayer 00.000 [0.500]
. Monster-lore 00.000 [0.500]

Abilities
* Extra Max Blow(1)
* Extra Max Blow(2)


[Fates]

You are fated to meet a Nether worm mass on level 5.


[Character Equipment]

a) a Short Sword of *Slay Dragon* (1d7) (+2,+3) (+2)
It increases your constitution by 2. It is a great bane of dragons.
It makes you completely fearless. It provides resistance to cold. It
allows you to sense the presence of dragons.
It was given to you as a reward.
d) a Long Bow (x3) (+4,+5)
e) a Ring of Protection [+18] {25% off}

You bought it from the Magic shop.
f) a Ring of Levitation
k) an Amulet of Acid Resistance {90% off}
It provides resistance to acid. It cannot be harmed by acid.
You bought it from the Magic shop.
m) a Brass Lantern (with 14411 turns of light)
It provides light (radius 2) when fueled. It cannot be harmed by
fire.
n) a Full Plate Armour (-3 to accuracy) [25,+6]

o) a Cloak [1,+3]
p) a Small Metal Shield [3,+0]

s) a Hard Leather Cap of Seeing [2,+1] (+4 to searching)
It increases your searching by 4. It provides resistance to blindness
. It allows you to see invisible monsters.
You found it in the remains of Smeagol on level 5 of Barrow-Downs.
u) a Set of Leather Gloves [1,+2]
x) a Pair of Metal Shod Boots of Stealth [6,+15] (+1 to stealth)
It increases your stealth by 1.
You bought it from the Rare Footwear Shop.
z) (nothing)
{) 22 Arrows (exploding) (1d4) (+1,+8)
|) a Gnomish Shovel of Digging (+6)
It increases your ability to tunnel by 6. It cannot be harmed by
acid, cold, lightning or fire.
It was given to you as a reward.


[Character Inventory]

a) a Demonblade (4d6) (+4,+3)
b) 52 Rations of Food

c) 12 Flasks of oil

d) 2 Potions of Detect Invisible
e) 4 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds

f) a Potion of Sleep
g) 3 Scrolls of Teleportation {25% off}

h) 3 Scrolls of Word of Recall

i) 25 Scrolls of Identify

j) a Scroll of Magic Mapping
k) a Scroll of *Destruction*

l) (nothing)
m) (nothing)
n) (nothing)
o) (nothing)
p) (nothing)
q) (nothing)
r) (nothing)
s) (nothing)
t) (nothing)
u) (nothing)
v) (nothing)
w) (nothing)


[Home Inventory - Bree ]

a) a Rune [Life]
b) 4 Potions of Cure Light Insanity
c) a Potion of Invisibility
d) a Potion of Clumsiness
e) 2 Potions of Speed
f) 2 Scrolls of Phase Door

g) 4 Scrolls of Remove Curse

h) a Ring of Invisibility
i) 3 Wooden Torches (with 3000 turns of light)
j) a Rapier of *Slay Animal* (1d6) (+6,+6) (+2 to stealth)
It increases your intelligence and stealth by 2. It is especially
deadly against natural creatures. It allows you to sense the presence
of animals. It slows your metabolism.
You found it in the remains of Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman on level 9 of
Barrow-Downs.
k) 22 Bolts (1d5) (+3,+2)
l) a Drum (+1)


[The Mathom-house Inventory - Bree ]

a) a Filthy Rag [1,-1]