04-15-2009, 12:52 PM | #201 | |||||
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I know I'm not arguing to try and convince anyone other than to look at the facts that exist. The bible doesn't count as it is not an acurate historical document. There's too many 'plot holes', for the lack of a better term. These plot holes aren't because no one has found the connecting points, it's because it was written by so many different people. Quote:
No one is saying that jesus had no contemporaries. People are saying there is no contemporary evidence. Two very different things. Quote:
1. Slavery which the bible condones 2. Women's rights - why is it so hard for women to join the clergy? I will give points for the female saints though 3. Valuation of human life - hmmmm sacrificing your enemies new borns 4. Establishment of hospitals and learning institutions - yes. 5. Euro - American rule of law - I can't speak for Europe, but, America was NOT founded on christian principles and the founding fathers were very secular. Most of them were deists and not christian. 6. Scientific method - that sounds highly suspect in my opinion. Would like to see some sources on that. The reason being, the scientific method goes against the grain of religious dogma, so I find it extrememly hard to believe. To add to the list, why the disgusting treatment by the church against gays? Why the pope's almost capitulating to Hitler (no Godwins Law here) during WW2 and the treatment of the jews? How come no one in the church is trying to reel in the lunatic evangilistic fundamentalists that are just as bad as your bus bombing jihadist? Quote:
I've never called for the abolition of religion. Just its removal from public schools, legislation and revoking its tax exempt status. There's a good reason why our founding fathers specifically included the separation of church and state. If it is not clear why, then I would recommend doing some research to clarify it. Quote:
Not sure specifically which fathers you are refering to. Founding fathers or actual familial fathers that owe their lives and freedoms to? I was not born in a catholic hospital for the record nor have I ever been baptised However, again, the founding fathers of America were NOT christian, some were, but most were deists and the inclusion of the word 'creator' was intentional, not because they were trying to establish christian law, but because they did not know who or what method created us and that no one was above the law. They used logic and reason to form the constitution not religious doctrines. For the record, I do not advocate the abolishment of religion. It does have its time and place for people. However, there's certain arenas that it just does not belong in. I actually enjoy having smart, insightful conversations about religion and where we all came from and I think this has been one and I think everyone has been calm about it. Having said all that, this is all stuff that's probably better suited for a different thread as the OP was asking about the origins of christianity and I stand by my earlier sumation that christianity is nothing more than an amalgam of prior religions and superstitions. Doesn't make it bad, doesn't make it good...it just is what it is.
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