They hid freakin' airplanes!!!

Ben E Lou · 08-04-2003, 09:16 AM

Hmmmmm......

Our weapons inspectors apparently now, four months after they've started searching, have just discovered 30 jet fighters buried in the sand in Iraq.

If 30 airplanes evaded our sight for this long, it makes it easier and easier for me to fathom the difficulty of finding a swimming pool's worth of WMD.

MylesKnight · 08-04-2003, 09:20 AM

That's a helluva lot of sand.

Why have I always had the feeling that the inspectors will never find anything....

Ben E Lou · 08-04-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by MylesKnight
That's a helluva lot of sand.

Why have I always had the feeling that the inspectors will never find anything....

I guess that's why they put the burden of proof on Saddam in the UN Resolutions. I had no idea what a difficult task this was....

JPhillips · 08-04-2003, 09:27 AM

Skydog: The swimming pool analogy is a bit misleading. The bioweapons at least would have to be stored in a very controlled environment with supervision and maintenence to retain viability. Anthrax is easier to store, but botulinum and small pox is difficult to maintain for long periods. You can't just stick this into the sand and expect it to still be usable.

As to whether we'll find weapons, I sure hope so. If we don't the two most likely reasons are that there weren't any by the time we attacked or they have been dispersed to terrorists around the globe. Either way is really, really bad.

Celeval · 08-04-2003, 09:40 AM

link?

Ben E Lou · 08-04-2003, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Celeval
link?

Just heard it on the radio. Haven't done an internet search yet....

CamEdwards · 08-04-2003, 09:52 AM

JPhillips,

From what I understand, the jets weren't covered to protect them from the elements. They were just buried in the sand. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the same thing happened to the WMD. Cover 'em up and forget about 'em. That's apparently what they did with the Iraqi Air Force.

Here's the link: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...orld-headlines

JPhillips · 08-04-2003, 10:07 AM

Well I'm still dubious that we will ever find anything. It even seems that the admin has pretty much given this line up. Wolfie just recently said he wasn't concerned about WMD in Iraq. It also seems that all of the people who might have known have been telling us that there are no WMD.

Of course I don't believe this was about an immnent weapons threat to begin with. This policy was being planned by the neocons before Bush was elected. Rumsfeld urged Clinton to attack in the late nineties. Even if you discount that, multiple sources have said the admin was discusing an Iraq attack shortly after 9/11. But the biggest reason I don't buy the WMD line is the way we let nuke sites go unprotected and how few people we assigned to searching for WMD.

This was about remaking the mid-east. I generally think there's some merit to this argument, and eventually we were going to have to deal with Saddam. Regardless, though, I can't accept going to war without telling the American public the real reasons. This war may have been justified, but we can never accept the precedent that has been set.

Frozenrope · 08-04-2003, 12:17 PM

I can picture Bugs Bunny running through the sand, looking for WMD!!

"Yippee, horray! Weapons, Nerve Gas, Horray!! (ater 4 months)yippee..pant..pant..horray.. Man, dig this craaaazzy beach. Must be low tide."

thesloppy · 08-04-2003, 12:27 PM

This is the Iraqi air force we're talking about, right? Burying the planes in the sand probably increased their effectiveness ten-fold, AND added to future oil production.

Buccaneer · 08-04-2003, 12:48 PM

Iraqi Air Force, the one taught by the French and Russians.

Abe Sargent · 08-04-2003, 02:47 PM

Ummm.....this may be a stupid question, but who gets the planes? Do we sell the 30 planes for some cash to pay for the war? Or for food and clothing for the Iraqi people? Does Iraq get to keep their planes? Would we sell them to Nigeria? Give them to an ally that needs them? Use them ourselves in the Montana National Reserves?

-Anxiety

sterlingice · 08-04-2003, 03:29 PM

A while back, they had been scrapping every tank, etc, they ran across. Kindof a waste of money, if you ask me but I guess it costs more to ship those than you can get in a sale.

SI

JohnnyBenson · 08-04-2003, 03:33 PM

Strange, I would think that can't be good for the Jets....

hmmmmm

Abe Sargent · 08-04-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by JohnnyBenson
Strange, I would think that can't be good for the Jets....

hmmmmm

Cross my Broken Heart? La La Means I love You? Borther and Sister "Boy Band" from Tonga? Made it big in the 80's with singing and choreography? VH-1 Behind the Music Jets? These Jets?

Yeah, having live Jets would probably be good for them. They've been bad on the concert circuit lately - Ohio State Fair, Winter Olympics, etc. Might raise their profile and help them book better venues.

-Anxiety

JPhillips · 08-04-2003, 08:10 PM

From what I've seen they've been picked clean by looters. On NBC they showed a couple of Iraqis trucking away an external fuel tank. I'd love to see what they do with that!

08-04-2003, 09:20 AM	#2
MylesKnight College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida	That's a helluva lot of sand. Why have I always had the feeling that the inspectors will never find anything.... __________________ IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BLACK & GOLD!!

08-04-2003, 09:27 AM	#4
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Skydog: The swimming pool analogy is a bit misleading. The bioweapons at least would have to be stored in a very controlled environment with supervision and maintenence to retain viability. Anthrax is easier to store, but botulinum and small pox is difficult to maintain for long periods. You can't just stick this into the sand and expect it to still be usable. As to whether we'll find weapons, I sure hope so. If we don't the two most likely reasons are that there weren't any by the time we attacked or they have been dispersed to terrorists around the globe. Either way is really, really bad. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

08-04-2003, 09:52 AM	#7
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	JPhillips, From what I understand, the jets weren't covered to protect them from the elements. They were just buried in the sand. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the same thing happened to the WMD. Cover 'em up and forget about 'em. That's apparently what they did with the Iraqi Air Force. Here's the link: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...orld-headlines __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half. Last edited by Ben E Lou : 08-04-2003 at 09:53 AM.

08-04-2003, 10:07 AM	#8
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Well I'm still dubious that we will ever find anything. It even seems that the admin has pretty much given this line up. Wolfie just recently said he wasn't concerned about WMD in Iraq. It also seems that all of the people who might have known have been telling us that there are no WMD. Of course I don't believe this was about an immnent weapons threat to begin with. This policy was being planned by the neocons before Bush was elected. Rumsfeld urged Clinton to attack in the late nineties. Even if you discount that, multiple sources have said the admin was discusing an Iraq attack shortly after 9/11. But the biggest reason I don't buy the WMD line is the way we let nuke sites go unprotected and how few people we assigned to searching for WMD. This was about remaking the mid-east. I generally think there's some merit to this argument, and eventually we were going to have to deal with Saddam. Regardless, though, I can't accept going to war without telling the American public the real reasons. This war may have been justified, but we can never accept the precedent that has been set. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

08-04-2003, 12:17 PM	#9
Frozenrope Mascot Join Date: Feb 2003	I can picture Bugs Bunny running through the sand, looking for WMD!! "Yippee, horray! Weapons, Nerve Gas, Horray!! (ater 4 months)yippee..pant..pant..horray.. Man, dig this craaaazzy beach. Must be low tide." __________________ It's not my show, but I'm on that show - Dick Juaron

08-04-2003, 09:40 AM	#5
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	link?

08-04-2003, 12:27 PM	#10
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	This is the Iraqi air force we're talking about, right? Burying the planes in the sand probably increased their effectiveness ten-fold, AND added to future oil production.

08-04-2003, 12:48 PM	#11
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Iraqi Air Force, the one taught by the French and Russians.

08-04-2003, 02:47 PM	#12
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Ummm.....this may be a stupid question, but who gets the planes? Do we sell the 30 planes for some cash to pay for the war? Or for food and clothing for the Iraqi people? Does Iraq get to keep their planes? Would we sell them to Nigeria? Give them to an ally that needs them? Use them ourselves in the Montana National Reserves? -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-04-2003, 03:29 PM	#13
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	A while back, they had been scrapping every tank, etc, they ran across. Kindof a waste of money, if you ask me but I guess it costs more to ship those than you can get in a sale. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-04-2003, 03:33 PM	#14
JohnnyBenson n00b Join Date: Jul 2003	Strange, I would think that can't be good for the Jets.... hmmmmm __________________ #10 Valvoline Pontiac Driver of #10 Valvoline FOF car Owner of Money Motorsports

08-04-2003, 08:10 PM	#16
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	From what I've seen they've been picked clean by looters. On NBC they showed a couple of Iraqis trucking away an external fuel tank. I'd love to see what they do with that! __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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