Poll: Dear Abby / Craps Etiquette

Mustang · 01-16-2009, 04:51 PM

Ok, I read Dear Abby sometimes when I'm in the break room, I figure it is one step up from Ziggy. One item today I was curious about -

DEAR ABBY: My daughter, "Alexa," and her boyfriend, "Ryan," were on vacation and went gambling. Ryan bet $400 at a craps table, handed Alexa the dice and told her to throw. She threw the whole night for him and won $2,500.

After they finished playing, Ryan put all the proceeds in his pocket. I thought it was unfair. Alexa says it's no big deal. I understand that the $400 was his, but she won $2,100 for him.
What's your opinion? Isn't this a red flag not to invest any more time in this relationship? -- NOT BETTING ON THIS ONE

DEAR NOT BETTING: If Ryan's basic nature was generous, he would have split the winnings 50-50. I agree your daughter would have a happier life with someone whose interests are less selfish and more generous. However, if she isn't ready to end the relationship, advise her to have an arrangement with Ryan in advance the next time they go gambling so she'll get more out of the game than carpal tunnel syndrome.

Ok, I don't play craps so, curious of what would be the etiquette here. Split it 50/50? Give it all to her minus the $400, give her nothing?

I don't think there is enough info behind this story especially if he possibly paid for the entire vacation and was paying for everything while they were out. If that was the case, I don't think he should have given her 50%.

If some random roller makes you a boatload of money, do people make it a habit to give them a cut?

cartman · 01-16-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

If some random roller makes you a boatload of money, do people make it a habit to give them a cut?

I've never seen it done, because usually the roller is making a ton of money betting on their own rolls.

Kodos · 01-16-2009, 04:59 PM

I think unless she was going to split the losses with him, she shouldn't expect to split the winnings.

Travis · 01-16-2009, 04:59 PM

Talk about a loaded question with no reference. Maybe the dude has a bunch of bills to pay off or other debt that money can go to. If he could afford it then yes, splitting it with her would be pretty cool and I'd hope at the very least that he puts part of the winning towards something nice for her.

But to say he should even split the winnings when she had no financial stake in the pot win or lose is pretty tough. If the guy is loaded and this is the proverbial drop in the bucket then I'd take it as a bad character indicator but with the information provided, inconclusive at best.

SportsDino · 01-16-2009, 05:00 PM

I see it as her rolling for him, he takes the losses and the winnings. You need to call the $400 a gift, in which case she should expect all of it.

Any split settlements should be agreed upon in advance, that is the stupidest option really.

The traditional approach I would take with this situation, especially if I was paying for the vacation, is to let her roll, take all the money, but buy her something nice for 'being lucky' with a significant portion of the chips (like a few hundred). Although often I make it clear I am giving them a bit of money to have some fun, but in that case I would not expect to be bugged for anything if they lose, or get anything if they win.

I don't think its break up material. The girl would just be a shallow gold digger in my opinion to expect money for doing nothing. And if rolling some dice was annoying (often its fun I would think, since your the center of attention of a small group).... she shoudl have said no.

QuikSand · 01-16-2009, 05:01 PM

Well, the fully rational answer is that it's the bettor who is winning the money, not the roller.

Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

cartman · 01-16-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

Subby said getting bent over was his favorite memory from the last Vegas trip.

Kodos · 01-16-2009, 05:05 PM

If only Abby gave out advice like that.

Logan · 01-16-2009, 05:20 PM

Amazing, the trout dinner really is the closest to a correct answer.

johnnyshaka · 01-16-2009, 05:25 PM

Does every other bettor at the table have to give the roller half of their stack?? Pfffft...hell no...so why should he??

Of course, a prior arrangement should be discussed otherwise any half way decent person would offer some percentage of the winnings but by no means is there a necessity to do so.

rowech · 01-16-2009, 05:41 PM

Along the same lines...big story in the area where I live:

Four Piqua residents are suing their city co-workers who won the $207 million Mega Millions lottery earlier this month, claiming the winners didn't keep their word about sharing any winnings with all regular players.
And they want $41 million.

A lawsuit claiming breach of contract and conversion was filed Tuesday, Dec. 23, in Miami County Common Pleas Court by Doug Harter, Israel Carnes, Tammy K. Wright and Jon Litchfield, all of Piqua.
Named as defendants are winners: Kenny Kirby, John Dembski, Richard Donnelly, James Montgomery, Cynthia Hershberger, Ritchie Williams, Scott Bradley, Dennis Steinke, Loyal Davis Jr., Rodney Stephenson, Jolaine Routson and Arthur J. Rudy, all of Piqua; Amos Steinbrunner of Tipp City; and Clifford Scott Helman of Piqua. The 15th winner, who is retired and did not work for the city, is not named in the suit.

The lawyer for the winners could not be reached immediately for comment.

In the suit, the four claim they are co-workers of some or all of the winners and said they and the winners pooled money to purchase tickets for the Mega Millions drawing.

"Plaintiffs and defendants had an oral agreement whereby if any of the pooled tickets purchased resulted in a winning Mega Millions ticket then all parties would share equally in the proceeds of said winning ticket," lawyers for the four, Erick Bauer and Robert Preston III of Dover, Ohio, wrote in the suit.

The four further claim they joined with the others in a pool for the Dec. 9 Mega Millions drawing from which some cash winnings allegedly were then used to purchase tickets for the Dec. 12 drawing. The co-workers had the winning numbers for the $207 million Dec. 12 drawing.

The four said they were out of the office and unavailable to contribute to the office pool for the Dec. 12 drawing.

When the winning ticket was presented to the Ohio Lottery, the four said, they "were not included ... contrary to the office pooling oral agreement/informal partnership/joint venture, and were not permitted to join with defendants in making a claim for the proceeds."

By not being included in the winnings, the four claim they have suffered immediate injury and an estimated loss of $41.4 million.

The four seek compensatory damages estimated at $41.4 million; punitive damages of inesxcess of $25,000; costs and attorney fees. They also seek a temporary restraining order and against the defendants.
A jury trial is requested.

Izulde · 01-16-2009, 07:40 PM

I don't think it should be split 50/50, no. As others have pointed out, it was him that was betting. But by the same token, they -are- in a relationship and she -was- lucky for him, so I think he should spend some money on her, say in the realm of one to three hundred.

It's just the polite thing to do. Hell, among my family and friends, it's the standard policy that when somebody wins a big pot like that on a night (such as when I won $1,500 on a Superfecta), the winner buys a round of drinks for the group (if it's a large one) or dinner (if it's a small one).

JW · 01-16-2009, 07:55 PM

This thread is useless without a picture of Alexa.

EagleFan · 01-16-2009, 08:19 PM

Thankfullyh the girlfriend didn't find this a big deal. The mother is a money grubbing bi$%^. Was she there when this happened or did the daughter tell her? If the daughter told her than I don't actually believe that she really thought it was "no big deal" so I say dump her a$$.

Did he spend a portion of the winnings on her? Did he take her to a show, dinner, whatever... with the winnings? Did he money go towards paying for the vacation? There are way too many unknown variables at work here.

I think this guy may be screwed if he stays with that family. If the only thing about her boyfriend that you can complain about is that he didn't give his winnings, and they are his winnings, to the daughter that sounds pretty fortunate.

EagleFan · 01-16-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

This thread is useless without a picture of Alexa.

+1

mckerney · 01-16-2009, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JW

This thread is useless without a picture of Alexa.

I did a google image search to provide a generic Alexa pick, but I didn't come up with much to post. As it turns out Alexa is a very popular name in pr0n.

M GO BLUE!!! · 01-16-2009, 11:17 PM

I said 50/50, because there isn't much of another fair option (other than the trout... yummy!)

$1000 wouldn't be a bad idea, as $2500 - the original $400 then divided by 2...

As for his maybe having to pay bills, if that was the case what was he risking $400 at the craps table for?

SackAttack · 01-16-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Well, the fully rational answer is that it's the bettor who is winning the money, not the roller.

Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

Are we sure that isn't what happened anyway? And perhaps that's why the girlfriend is "eh, no big"?

Toddzilla · 01-17-2009, 03:21 AM

as is custom, the mother-in-law is a batshit crazy cunt who needs to SFTU and mind her own miserable business.

yes, I'm cranky at 4AM, how can you tell?

Glengoyne · 01-17-2009, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Well, the fully rational answer is that it's the bettor who is winning the money, not the roller.

Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

Man, the gambling brings the edge out in QS.

Nice quote, and way to get to the point about the bettor's money and the purpose of a girlfriend in Vegas.

Young Drachma · 01-17-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Well, the fully rational answer is that it's the bettor who is winning the money, not the roller.

Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

Aah yes, I knew there was a reason I checked into this thread.

kcchief19 · 01-18-2009, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

This should have been one of the choices and I would have taken this one.

In this situation and assuming he isn't already bankrolling the entire vacation, he should certainly have done something for her if he ever expects to go all in with her ever again.

EagleFan · 01-18-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

This should have been one of the choices and I would have taken this one.

In this situation and assuming he isn't already bankrolling the entire vacation, he should certainly have done something for her if he ever expects to go all in with her ever again.

Do we know for certain that he didn't do something for her. The only thing we know for certain is he didn't hand the cash to her.

Odd that the mother would rather have her daughter look like a prostitute and have the boyfriend hand her money....

She better read HA's posts in the Virginity thread to see just what may come with accepting money...

TCY Junkie · 01-18-2009, 01:36 AM

Sad story, my brother was down to 75 dollars. I started rolling and he won 1200. I rolled for him without gambling, I was a virgin roller. He paid me in high fives. The next day when we were leaving he asked for a hundred, he told me his friend didn't take fives.

Logan · 01-18-2009, 10:12 AM

That's the greatest Junkie post ever.

sterlingice · 01-18-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Well, the fully rational answer is that it's the bettor who is winning the money, not the roller.

Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

Wow. This is not the QS I expected to see when walking into this thread. It's like seeing Spock (or Deep Blue) go emotional on us

SI

sterlingice · 01-18-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Ok, I read Dear Abby sometimes when I'm in the break room, I figure it is one step up from Ziggy.

BZZZZZT! You are incorrect, sir. Turn in your man card immediately

SI

DanGarion · 01-18-2009, 11:42 PM

I think this mom needs to keep her nose out of people's business and both her and Abby know nothing about gambling so they should both just STFU. Because I'm sure the girl didn't pay for anything on the trip anyway...

Honolulu Blue · 01-19-2009, 08:21 AM

Assuming that:

1) He made all the bets,
2) With money that was completely his (as opposed to a pool of money that they both shared),
3) She doesn't have exceptional "skill" with the dice,
4) He knew the game, and
5) There were no prior agreements,

Then QS's answer is probably best.

Mustang · 01-19-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice

BZZZZZT! You are incorrect, sir. Turn in your man card immediately

Hey, at least it wasn't Cathy that I was reading.

Samdari · 01-19-2009, 11:08 AM

Big deal he put it in his pocket. She'll get it out of him anyway.

SnowMan · 01-19-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Big deal he put it in his pocket. She'll get it out of him anyway.

This.

flere-imsaho · 01-19-2009, 09:05 PM

Well, she'll get something out of his pocket, anyway.

Bow-chicka-Wow-Wow....

View Poll Results: What would you give your g/f in this situation?
Nothing	16	33.33%
Half	8	16.67%
$2100 (All the winnings, she made it)	0	0%
Buy her a trout dinner	24	50.00%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

01-16-2009, 04:59 PM	#3
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think unless she was going to split the losses with him, she shouldn't expect to split the winnings. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

01-16-2009, 04:59 PM	#4
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Talk about a loaded question with no reference. Maybe the dude has a bunch of bills to pay off or other debt that money can go to. If he could afford it then yes, splitting it with her would be pretty cool and I'd hope at the very least that he puts part of the winning towards something nice for her. But to say he should even split the winnings when she had no financial stake in the pot win or lose is pretty tough. If the guy is loaded and this is the proverbial drop in the bucket then I'd take it as a bad character indicator but with the information provided, inconclusive at best. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

01-16-2009, 05:05 PM	#8
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	If only Abby gave out advice like that. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

01-16-2009, 07:40 PM	#12
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I don't think it should be split 50/50, no. As others have pointed out, it was him that was betting. But by the same token, they -are- in a relationship and she -was- lucky for him, so I think he should spend some money on her, say in the realm of one to three hundred. It's just the polite thing to do. Hell, among my family and friends, it's the standard policy that when somebody wins a big pot like that on a night (such as when I won $1,500 on a Superfecta), the winner buys a round of drinks for the group (if it's a large one) or dinner (if it's a small one). __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

01-16-2009, 05:00 PM	#5
SportsDino College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2001	I see it as her rolling for him, he takes the losses and the winnings. You need to call the $400 a gift, in which case she should expect all of it. Any split settlements should be agreed upon in advance, that is the stupidest option really. The traditional approach I would take with this situation, especially if I was paying for the vacation, is to let her roll, take all the money, but buy her something nice for 'being lucky' with a significant portion of the chips (like a few hundred). Although often I make it clear I am giving them a bit of money to have some fun, but in that case I would not expect to be bugged for anything if they lose, or get anything if they win. I don't think its break up material. The girl would just be a shallow gold digger in my opinion to expect money for doing nothing. And if rolling some dice was annoying (often its fun I would think, since your the center of attention of a small group).... she shoudl have said no.

01-16-2009, 05:01 PM	#6
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well, the fully rational answer is that it's the bettor who is winning the money, not the roller. Now that that's out of the way, I think the traditional thing for a guy to do in this sort of circumstance is to buy the girlfriend a piece of jewelry or something equivalent, and then take her up to the casino suite and bend her over like a very bad girl. To hell with her mom.

01-16-2009, 05:20 PM	#9
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Amazing, the trout dinner really is the closest to a correct answer.

01-16-2009, 05:25 PM	#10
johnnyshaka College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	Does every other bettor at the table have to give the roller half of their stack?? Pfffft...hell no...so why should he?? Of course, a prior arrangement should be discussed otherwise any half way decent person would offer some percentage of the winnings but by no means is there a necessity to do so.

01-16-2009, 05:41 PM	#11
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Along the same lines...big story in the area where I live: Four Piqua residents are suing their city co-workers who won the $207 million Mega Millions lottery earlier this month, claiming the winners didn't keep their word about sharing any winnings with all regular players. And they want $41 million. A lawsuit claiming breach of contract and conversion was filed Tuesday, Dec. 23, in Miami County Common Pleas Court by Doug Harter, Israel Carnes, Tammy K. Wright and Jon Litchfield, all of Piqua. Named as defendants are winners: Kenny Kirby, John Dembski, Richard Donnelly, James Montgomery, Cynthia Hershberger, Ritchie Williams, Scott Bradley, Dennis Steinke, Loyal Davis Jr., Rodney Stephenson, Jolaine Routson and Arthur J. Rudy, all of Piqua; Amos Steinbrunner of Tipp City; and Clifford Scott Helman of Piqua. The 15th winner, who is retired and did not work for the city, is not named in the suit. The lawyer for the winners could not be reached immediately for comment. In the suit, the four claim they are co-workers of some or all of the winners and said they and the winners pooled money to purchase tickets for the Mega Millions drawing. "Plaintiffs and defendants had an oral agreement whereby if any of the pooled tickets purchased resulted in a winning Mega Millions ticket then all parties would share equally in the proceeds of said winning ticket," lawyers for the four, Erick Bauer and Robert Preston III of Dover, Ohio, wrote in the suit. The four further claim they joined with the others in a pool for the Dec. 9 Mega Millions drawing from which some cash winnings allegedly were then used to purchase tickets for the Dec. 12 drawing. The co-workers had the winning numbers for the $207 million Dec. 12 drawing. The four said they were out of the office and unavailable to contribute to the office pool for the Dec. 12 drawing. When the winning ticket was presented to the Ohio Lottery, the four said, they "were not included ... contrary to the office pooling oral agreement/informal partnership/joint venture, and were not permitted to join with defendants in making a claim for the proceeds." By not being included in the winnings, the four claim they have suffered immediate injury and an estimated loss of $41.4 million. The four seek compensatory damages estimated at $41.4 million; punitive damages of inesxcess of $25,000; costs and attorney fees. They also seek a temporary restraining order and against the defendants. A jury trial is requested.

01-16-2009, 07:55 PM	#13
JW College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Monroe, LA, USA	This thread is useless without a picture of Alexa.

01-16-2009, 08:19 PM	#14
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Thankfullyh the girlfriend didn't find this a big deal. The mother is a money grubbing bi$%^. Was she there when this happened or did the daughter tell her? If the daughter told her than I don't actually believe that she really thought it was "no big deal" so I say dump her a$$. Did he spend a portion of the winnings on her? Did he take her to a show, dinner, whatever... with the winnings? Did he money go towards paying for the vacation? There are way too many unknown variables at work here. I think this guy may be screwed if he stays with that family. If the only thing about her boyfriend that you can complain about is that he didn't give his winnings, and they are his winnings, to the daughter that sounds pretty fortunate.

01-16-2009, 11:17 PM	#17
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	I said 50/50, because there isn't much of another fair option (other than the trout... yummy!) $1000 wouldn't be a bad idea, as $2500 - the original $400 then divided by 2... As for his maybe having to pay bills, if that was the case what was he risking $400 at the craps table for?

01-17-2009, 03:21 AM	#19
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	as is custom, the mother-in-law is a batshit crazy cunt who needs to SFTU and mind her own miserable business. yes, I'm cranky at 4AM, how can you tell?

01-18-2009, 01:36 AM	#24
TCY Junkie College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: TX	Sad story, my brother was down to 75 dollars. I started rolling and he won 1200. I rolled for him without gambling, I was a virgin roller. He paid me in high fives. The next day when we were leaving he asked for a hundred, he told me his friend didn't take fives. __________________ I try to open things I probably have no chance of opening. Last edited by TCY Junkie : 01-18-2009 at 01:54 AM.

01-18-2009, 10:12 AM	#25
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	That's the greatest Junkie post ever.

01-18-2009, 11:42 PM	#28
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	I think this mom needs to keep her nose out of people's business and both her and Abby know nothing about gambling so they should both just STFU. Because I'm sure the girl didn't pay for anything on the trip anyway... __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

01-19-2009, 08:21 AM	#29
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	Assuming that: 1) He made all the bets, 2) With money that was completely his (as opposed to a pool of money that they both shared), 3) She doesn't have exceptional "skill" with the dice, 4) He knew the game, and 5) There were no prior agreements, Then QS's answer is probably best.

01-19-2009, 11:08 AM	#31
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	Big deal he put it in his pocket. She'll get it out of him anyway. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price! Last edited by Samdari : 01-19-2009 at 11:08 AM.

01-19-2009, 09:05 PM	#33
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Well, she'll get something out of his pocket, anyway. Bow-chicka-Wow-Wow....

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