FOFC Diplomacy -- GAME OVER!!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

My mother comes to town tonight, so I will be off the radar until Monday.

Looks like now is the time to strike St. Petersburg!

[path12]

I'll update the map tomorrow but here are the builds:

England -- Build Fleet London
Russia -- Build Army Warsaw, Build Fleet St. Petersburg (sc) (there goes that invasion idea Alan!)

France -- Disband Army Paris

Let's set Spring 1908 for Tuesday considering chesapeake is out until Monday so we can get one turn in before Christmas.

[path12]

Current map post winter 1907:



Bump for reminder that Spring 08 is due tomorrow....

[path12]

Two in, I'll send reminders but it's likely the turn will be after the holiday.

[path12]

All orders are in -- I'll run the turn tonight.

[path12]

Sorry guys, tonight is getting away from me. I'll have to do it tomorrow. Apologies for the delay.

[Warhammer]

Whoa, what did I send it?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Whoa, what did I send it?

lol. i am still pretty sure i missed an entire turn somewhere along the way, so dont feel bad.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Whoa, what did I send it?

That was my bad -- I saw you had sent a PM and just assumed it was an order. I did get the one you sent after this though........

Warhammer requested a delay until Friday. Though orders were subsequently sent in I want to make sure that they weren't just guesswork since he thought I was running the turn before then.

Once I hear back from him we'll go from there. But no later than Friday!

[path12]

THE DAILY DIPLOMAT
SPRING 1908

WEST AND EAST TRADE CENTERS!
RUSSIA TAKES DENMARK, FRANCE TAKES MUNICH.

FIERCE FIGHTING, LITTLE MOVEMENT.
LONE FRENCH ARMY DISRUPTS EASTERN MOVEMENTS.

MED RESIGNED TO STALEMATE?

RESULTS:
(Failed moves in parentheses)

England (Celeval)
F Nwg H
(F Nth - Den) -- SWE TAKES 2:1
(F Lon - Nth) -- BOUNCE WITH NTH
F Edi support F Lon - Nth
(A Den - Kie) -- BOUNCE WITH BER, DISLODGED, NO RETREAT, DISBANDS
F Kie - Hel

France (Radii)
(F Tun - Ion) -- BOUNCE WITH ION
F Tyn support Italian F Nap
A Tus support Italian A Ven
(A Pie - Tyr) -- BOUNCE WITH TYR
A Bur - Mun
A Ruh support A Bur - Mun
(A Pru - Lvn) -- BOUNCE WITH STP

Italy (saldana)
A Ven H
A Rom support A Ven
F Nap H

Russia (chesapeake)
F Aeg support Turkish F Ion
(F StP(sc) - Lvn) -- BOUNCE WITH PRU
A Swe - Den
F Ska support A Swe - Den
F Bar support F Nwy
F Nwy H
(A War - Pru) -- BOUNCE WITH PRU
A Boh - Sil
(F Ber - Kie) -- BOUNCE WITH DEN
(A Mun support F Ber - Kie) -- FAILS, DISLODGED, RETREAT TO BOH, OTB
(A Tyr support A Mun) -- CUT BY PIE

Turkey (Warhammer)
(A Tri - Ven) -- BOUNCE WITH VEN
F Apu support A Tri - Ven
F Adr support A Tri - Ven
A Alb - Ser
F Gre support F Ion
F Ion support F Apu
F Bul(sc) - Con

RETREATS:
English A Den has no retreat and disbands
Russian A Mun retreats to Boh or OTB -- PLEASE ANNOUNCE IN THREAD

CURRENT MAP (pre-retreat) :



CURRENT POSITIONS:

England: F Nrg, F Hel, F Nth, F Edi, F Lon = 5
France: A Ruh, A Mun, A Pie, A Tus, F Tyn, F Tun, A Pru = 7
Italy: A Rom, A Ven, F Nap = 3
Russia: F Nwy, F Bar, F StP(sc), A Sil, A War, A Tyr, A Den, F Ber, F Ska, F Aeg, A??? = 11
Turkey: F Ion, F Apu, F Adr, A Tri, A Ser, F Gre, F Con = 7

Happy New Year to all! We'll set Fall 1908 for Tuesday, Jan 6th -- if this is a problem for anyone let me know.

[saldana]

is there a point in time when this game is considered a stalemate?

[chesapeake]

Mun retreats to Boh

[path12]

Bump for deadline....

[path12]

Got a note one player won't be able to get orders in until tomorrow, so we'll bump the deadline a day.

[path12]

As you may have guessed, still missing two sets of orders. Hopefully we'll be ready to go tonight.

[path12]

One missing. I've sent one last PM and will run the turn tonight regardless.....

[chesapeake]

What's the word?

[path12]

THE DAILY DIPLOMAT
FALL 1908

TRIPARTITE TALKS UNDERWAY?

FEARS IN ENGLAND - KING GOES MISSING, AS DOES THE CONTINENT.
FRENCH TROOPS 'STABILIZE' HOLLAND, KIEL.

DOWN GOES ITALY!
STUBBORNLY HOLDS VENICE - ATTACK COMMUNICATIONS DISRUPTED.

RESULTS:
(Failed moves in parentheses)

England (Celeval) -- NO MOVES RECEIVED. (-Kie, -Hol, -Den)
F Nwg H
F Nth H
F Hel H
F Lon H
F Edi H

France (Radii) -- (+Rom, +Kie, +Hol)
A Ruh - Hol
A Mun - Kie
(A Pru H) -- DISLODGED BY WAR 2:1, UNIT DISBANDS.
(A Pie support Russian A Tyr - Ven) -- VOID, NO SUCH MOVE.
A Tus - Rom
F Tyn support A Tus - Rom
F Tun H

Italy (saldana) -- (-Rom, -Nap)
A Ven H
(A Rom support A Ven H) -- CUT, DISLODGED BY TUS 2:1, DISBANDS
(F Nap H) -- DISLODGED BY ION 2:1, DISBANDS

Russia (chesapeake) -- (+Den)
F Aeg support Turkish F Gre - Ion
A Tyr support A Boh - Mun
A Boh - Mun
A Den support French A Mun - Kie
A Ber support A War - Pru
A Sil support A Ber
F StP(sc) - Lvn
F Ska support A Den
F Nwy support F Ska
F Bar support F Nwy
A War - Pru

Turkey (Warhammer) -- (+Nap)
F Ion - Nap
F Apu support F Ion - Nap
F Con - Smy
F Gre - Ion
F Adr support F Gre - Ion
A Ser - Gre
(A Tri support Russian A Tyr - Ven) -- VOID, NO SUCH MOVE.

BUILDS/DISBANDS:

England must disband 2 units.
France may build 3 units.
Russia may build 1 unit.
Turkey may build 1 unit.

CURRENT MAP:



SUPPLY CENTERS OWNED:

England: Lon, Liv, Edi = 3
France: Mar, Par, Bre, Spa, Por, Bel, Tun, Rom, Kie, Hol = 10
Italy: Ven = 1
Russia: Sev, War, Mos, StP, Rum, Swe, Bud, Vie, Nwy, Mun, Ber, Den = 12
Turkey: Smy, Ank, Con, Bul, Ser, Gre, Tri, Nap = 8

CURRENT POSITIONS:

England: F Nwg, F Hel, F Nth, F Edi, F Lon = 5 (disband 2)
France: A Rom, A Kie, A Hol, A Pie, F Tun, F Tyn = 6 (build 3, play 1 short)
Italy: A Ven = 1
Russia: A Tyr, A Sil, A Den, A Mun, A Pru, F Aeg, F Ska, F Ber, F Bar, F Nwy, F Lvn = 11 (build 1)
Turkey: A Tri, A Gre, F Apu, F Adr, F Ion, F Nap, F Smy = 7 (build 1)

WINTER 1908 DUE TUESDAY, JAN 14TH AT 10PM EASTERN. You may post in thread if you wish.

[path12]

THE DAILY DIPLOMAT
WINTER 1908

PEACE!

RUSSIA, TURKEY, FRANCE SIGN AGREEMENT!
ITALY, ENGLAND TO BE 'ASSIMILATED'.

GAME OVER -- THREE WAY DRAW -- CONGRATS TO CHESAPEAKE, WARHAMMER AND RADII!

BUILDS/DISBANDS:

France builds A Par, F Mar, F Bre
Russia builds A War
Turkey builds F Con
No disband recvd from England, GM disbands F Nwg and F Hel.

FINAL SUPPLY CENTERS:

England (Celeval) : Lon, Liv, Edi = 3
France (Radii) : Mar, Par, Bre, Spa, Por, Bel, Tun, Rom, Kie, Hol = 10
Italy (saldana) : Ven = 1
Russia (chesapeake) : Sev, War, Mos, StP, Rum, Swe, Bud, Vie, Nwy, Mun, Ber, Den = 12
Turkey (Warhammer) : Smy, Ank, Con, Bul, Ser, Gre, Tri, Nap = 8

FINAL MAP:



SUPPLY CENTERS BY YEAR:

01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08
A 4 3 1 - - - - -
E 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 3
F 5 6 6 6 8 8 7 10
G 5 4 4 3 1 1 - -
I 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 1
R 6 6 8 9 9 9 11 12
T 4 6 6 7 7 7 7 8

Thanks to all of you for sticking through with the game. I haven't heard from Celeval for a week, I hope he's OK.

Considering the experience differences I think that the game played out pretty well -- the Russia/Turkey alliance is a tough one to battle. The decision by Italy to head west early really helped the eastern powers to get a nice start -- both France and England were stuck early while R/T grew.

I thought Russia was going to eventually going to stab Turkey, especially with all the fleets Warhammer had built. He might have been able to get two-three centers and maybe take advantage of England's weakness and try for the solo.

This was fun to run. I hope you all enjoyed it and we can try another one sometime soon. I'd love to hear your comments about the game and what your strategies were.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by path12

I thought Russia was going to eventually going to stab Turkey, especially with all the fleets Warhammer had built.

I tried for a solid 3 years to get this to happen. Russia kept gaining ground, albeit very, very slowly in the north, and began approaching me about stabbing England. We were at an impasse for two full years I believe, as I wanted Russia to stab Turkey at the same time I stabbed England. I felt that if we both stabbed simultaneously, we'd be able to make a big enough dent fast enough that a Russia/France 2-way victory would be impossible to prevent. I also felt that if I only stabbed England, Russia was taking no risk and it would be simple for Russia/Turkey to take me out and get the victory they seemed to be seeking. In the end Russia taking Denmark and Munich brought them to a point where I feared they would soon become unstoppable, and I felt like I had to go along with Russia's desire to work together and hope that the intentions were genuine to bring me into the mix.


In the early game England and myself missed a couple opportunities that were open for us, we could have taken out Germany much earlier than we did. As it is, the fight for Germany lasted much longer and prevented us from making early gains to keep up with Turkey/Russia as Austria went down.


Italy ended up in an impossible situation. If we could have gotten either myself or an Italian fleet into the Ionian Sea, or if myself and England could have completely taken and held Germany, we could have made a push for Italy to pick up Trieste, making Italy a more offensive force and pushing back a bit. But Turkey did a good job holding their line and the best we could do was force a stalemate in the south.



This is the 3rd FOFC attempt to run a Diplomacy game, and the first one that came to a conclusion. Kudos to Path for keeping us moving along. This was a fun one!

[chesapeake]

Thanks, Path, for hosting the game, and congrats to Warhammer and Radii for joining me in the draw.

There were 2 or 3 times early on where Warhammer could have stabbed me in the back and brought me crashing down. Because he didn't, I made the decision not to screw him later when the opportunity for a solo was there. And it is getting to be the busy time at work for me, so I knew that I would have little time to devote to the game in Feb and March.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Thanks, Path, for hosting the game, and congrats to Warhammer and Radii for joining me in the draw.

There were 2 or 3 times early on where Warhammer could have stabbed me in the back and brought me crashing down. Because he didn't, I made the decision not to screw him later when the opportunity for a solo was there. And it is getting to be the busy time at work for me, so I knew that I would have little time to devote to the game in Feb and March.

That makes two of us. I considered a stab late, but when I reached out to Celeval he basically wasn't going to do anything until I stabbed. Not being in a good spot to follow up with anything, and with the possibility of having to fend off Russia, France, and Italy and letting England take the spoils, I played good. That and my free time dried up which stymied negotiations.

[Warhammer]

I think the turning point in the game came when Turkey got into Venice. Had I been able to hold there for a turn, I could have had enough force to come down the boot and overthrow the line there. Unfortunately, Russia had to worry about Munich which I think would have taken care of itself had Italy fallen and France have to fall back.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

That makes two of us. I considered a stab late, but when I reached out to Celeval he basically wasn't going to do anything until I stabbed. Not being in a good spot to follow up with anything, and with the possibility of having to fend off Russia, France, and Italy and letting England take the spoils, I played good. That and my free time dried up which stymied negotiations.

I seriously considered approaching you when Russia wouldn't stab you, but I didn't know how closely you guys were communicating and that could have backfired badly on me, so I decided to play it straight and just continue talks with Russia.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by Radii

I seriously considered approaching you when Russia wouldn't stab you, but I didn't know how closely you guys were communicating and that could have backfired badly on me, so I decided to play it straight and just continue talks with Russia.

At that point in the game, you were my primary enemy. My goal was to push through the stalemate line, and move into Tunis, Mar, Spa, and Por. That would put me at 12 SCs. From there, I could comfortably stab Russia. I could always go back and get the Russian SCs. My fear, which was justified, was my ability to push through the stalemate line.

Now, had you approached me to carve up Italy prior to you guys having the line set up, I would have been all over that.

[saldana]

i had a really good time with this (even though i lost horribly)...my early game was tough since you all new i was a noob...i assumed you would all just think i would run a Lepanto, which brought me to my screw France concept...i was one turn away from screwing him, and Celeval and I were going to carve western europe in half, but he got his fleet into position to stop me and I was caught in the middle.

I would definitely play again...thanks a ton to Celeval for helping me learn the ropes, and to Radii (until he stabbed me) for tolerating my noobism and helping with move reccomendations throughout.

thanks Path! congrats to the triumvirate.