So, Who's #1? (NCAA Football)

sterlingice · 01-08-2009, 10:46 PM

In the absence of a playoff, the likely best solution, who deserves #1 to end the year?

Florida?
Utah?
USC?
Texas?
Other?

(poll forthcoming)

SI

JonInMiddleGA · 01-08-2009, 10:47 PM

Florida, it's not even a question at this point. And really hasn't seemed like much of a question since they beat Alabama.

And if I had an actual ballot, I'd probably go Florida, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah.

Young Drachma · 01-08-2009, 10:48 PM

Go Fish!

Racer · 01-08-2009, 10:48 PM

sterlingice · 01-08-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Go Fish!

Well, I had to go with Trout U because I didn't want to give the playoff option. That would detract from the poll, I think

SI

Young Drachma · 01-08-2009, 10:56 PM

I think you have to go with Florida, but...that said, I think Utah -- with the lack of a playoff -- deserves at least a claim to something. They beat the same team Florida did to get to the BCS championship, without the preparation that most folks use to deprive them of the opportunity.

So with that, I say that they deserve a shot. Would they win on the field? Probably not. But I don't think I expected them to get past Alabama the way they did. They didn't need the Statue of Liberty to do it, either.

duckman · 01-08-2009, 11:05 PM

Florida. They were the best team in the country this year.

Cringer · 01-08-2009, 11:06 PM

The only undefeated team.

Galaxy · 01-08-2009, 11:08 PM

Does the fact that Utah defeated Oregon State, in which USC lost to, matter in who should be ahead between those two teams?

Jas_lov · 01-08-2009, 11:10 PM

You can make an argument for or against all of these teams but it's irrelevant. Florida won the national championship game and the AP will also vote them #1 meaning the Gators are sole national champions. It's like Clint Eastwood once said, deserve's got nothing to do with it.

DanGarion · 01-08-2009, 11:28 PM

Football didn't end on the 1st?

CU Tiger · 01-08-2009, 11:30 PM

Florida is the NATIONAL CHAMPION...go ahead and count utah as #1 if you like.

Not unlike the NFL last year, New England was obviously #1 but the Giants were the champs....

Lathum · 01-08-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Not unlike the NFL last year, New England was obviously #1 but the Giants were the champs....

you're dead to me

ISiddiqui · 01-08-2009, 11:39 PM

Hell, I've had Florida #1 since mid-season - even since they completely took apart LSU and Kentucky in back to back weeks. And then they just kept on rolling.

dawgfan · 01-09-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And if I had an actual ballot, I'd probably go Florida, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah.

Exactly how I'd vote as well.

kingnebwsu · 01-09-2009, 01:09 AM

Utah #5? Wow. I'm a mid-major at heart I guess when I'd put them #1 or #2.

st.cronin · 01-09-2009, 01:38 AM

There are really only two teams that have a reasonable claim to #1, Florida and Utah.

RainMaker · 01-09-2009, 02:51 AM

AP Poll has been released. Florida #1 with 48 first place votes, Utah #2 with 16. Much closer than I thought it would be.

1. Florida	13-1	1,606
2. Utah	13-0	1,519
3. USC	12-1	1,481
4. Texas	12-1	1,478
5. Oklahoma	12-2	1,391
6. Alabama	12-2	1,264
7. TCU	11-2	1,193
8. Penn State	11-2	1,153
9. Ohio State	10-3	1,013
10. Oregon	10-3	997
11. Boise State	12-1	938
12. Texas Tech	11-2	916
13. Georgia	10-3	903
14. Mississippi	9-4	857
15. Virginia Tech	10-4	712
16. Oklahoma State	9-4	534
17. Cincinnati	11-3	506
18. Oregon State	9-4	467
19. Missouri	10-4	435
20. Iowa	9-4	317
21. Florida State	9-4	246
22. Georgia Tech	9-4	223
23. West Virginia	9-4	144
24. Michigan State	9-4	138
25. BYU	10-3	137

Butter · 01-09-2009, 06:36 AM

I guess this year is a pretty good argument for the "plus-one" model.

ISiddiqui · 01-09-2009, 07:17 AM

And USC over Texas for 3rd is a miniscule difference.

Young Drachma · 01-09-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I guess this year is a pretty good argument for the "plus-one" model.

Given that #1 and #2 beat a common opponent in the post-season (tho obviously Florida had a game after the conference championship) makes you think, that yes, indeed it would be the case.

I'm just impressed with the AP for even putting Utah #2. I think for them, that's a coup.

Taur · 01-09-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Not unlike the NFL last year, New England was obviously #1 but the Giants were the champs....

I am almost positive that I saw The Giants beat the PAtriots head to head in some kind of Playoff thingy last year to be #1. But, don't take my word on it as I was pretty drunk by the time the game ended last year.

ISiddiqui · 01-09-2009, 09:39 AM

The point he's making is just because the Giants won one head to head matchup doesn't necessarily make them the better team. And I'd agree.

Young Drachma · 01-09-2009, 09:53 AM

They weren't. But they still got the trophy. The BCS isn't the playoff we'd want, but it's still a playoff that the second-tier conferences agreed to. They're just as complicit, even if the outcome is lame. Sure, they have no power, but if they all banded together...they'd have a lot more say than they do now, but they're too concerned with trying to suck off the big conferences.

kcchief19 · 01-09-2009, 10:12 AM

Add one more to Utah's total. I accidentally hit USC and didn't catch it until I submitted it.

Utah won all the games put in front of them and their BCS bowl. What else can they do?

The Utah team that beat Alabama would have probably beat Florida or OU last night they way they played. Very lethargic performances.

Cringer · 01-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Florida is the NATIONAL CHAMPION...go ahead and count utah as #1 if you like.

Not unlike the NFL last year, New England was obviously #1 but the Giants were the champs....

Very unlike the NFL last year actually. The Giants DEFEATED the Patriots in a head to head game, a game that was the final of a playoff. So the Giants were #1 and the Champions.

BrianD · 01-09-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

Very unlike the NFL last year actually. The Giants DEFEATED the Patriots in a head to head game, a game that was the final of a playoff. So the Giants were #1 and the Champions.

I never understand that arguments for a championship losing team to still be considered better than the team that beat them. Both teams knew this was a championship game, and both teams knew what was at stake. Both teams also had plenty of time to prepare for their opponents. The fact that a person thinks the losing team could beat the winning team in a majority of meaningless games doesn't change the outcome of the meaningful game. If you can't get it done under pressure, it doesn't really matter how you'd do without pressure.

Ryan S · 01-09-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I guess this year is a pretty good argument for the "plus-one" model.

Would Utah have been in the mix with a plus-one playoff?

Chubby · 01-09-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

They weren't. But they still got the trophy. The BCS isn't the playoff we'd want, but it's still a playoff that the second-tier conferences agreed to. They're just as complicit, even if the outcome is lame. Sure, they have no power, but if they all banded together...they'd have a lot more say than they do now, but they're too concerned with trying to suck off the big conferences.

Of course they agreed because it's marginally better than before and didn't want to risk being shut out completely. Everyone knows where the power lies.

Buccaneer · 01-09-2009, 05:38 PM

I put Utah #5 (just I like BYU in 1980 or something). Not being in the top 25 in SOS does that.

A plus+1 game would be Florida-USC. Texas-Oklahoma would play for the consolation prize.

Crim · 01-10-2009, 12:58 AM

Bah! Detroit would paste any of these teams. Where's the Lions option, SI???

dawgfan · 01-10-2009, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I put Utah #5 (just I like BYU in 1980 or something)

1984 to be precise - I know this because it was my Huskies that ended up #2 that year.

Vegas Vic · 01-10-2009, 02:07 AM

I posted this in the bowl games thread, but seeing as how the bowls are over with, I'm re-posting it here.

I watched six of Utah's games this year, so I feel like I have a good handle on them. First, they have a damned good team, there's no question about that. However, I think that TCU was the best team in the Mountain West this year. They went into Salt Lake City on Nov. 6th, and absolutely dominated the game against Utah, outgaining the Utes 416-275. Utah won the game 13-10, due to TCU missing three chip shot field goals and dropping a wide open TD pass. It was as much as a gift win as you'll ever see.

Then, Utah caught the perfect storm against an unmotivated Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl, and to their credit, they took full advantage of it.

However, if you put this team up against a motivated USC, Florida or Texas in a championship scenerio, they wouldn't come close to winning the game.

RainMaker · 01-10-2009, 05:19 AM

The saddest part about this all ending is that I'd have loved to have seen Tebow go against that USC defense. Most of those kids are going to be gone next year. One of the greatest college QBs of all time against one of the best college defenses we've seen in awhile.

I also agree with Vegas Vic. At the end of the year, TCU was a better team than Utah. Their defense is definitely a top 5 defense in college football, maybe even #2. I thought they could have been a BCS buster this year but really laid an egg at Oklahoma early on. I saw that game and they just got taken by surprise in the first quarter. Played solid after that, but couldn't recover.

TCU could be good again next year. They lose a lot of starters but Hughes has said he's going to stay. He could be the best defensive player in college football next year. Unfortunately, I've heard they are having trouble scheduling teams. MWC has a shitty TV deal with Versus and any big schools don't want to play without ESPN/ABC getting the game rights.

BishopMVP · 01-10-2009, 05:29 AM

I agree with VegasVic etc, that I thought/(think) TCU was the best team in the MWC as a betting man, but Utah stepped up, won all its games and didn't leave things up for debate. How can you turn down a team that went undefeated, won on the road at multiple FBS teams and locc'ed Alabama in a bowl game?

BishopMVP · 01-10-2009, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

One of the greatest college QBs of all time against one of the best college defenses we've seen in awhile.

at least you didn't say the best ever. "Spend 20 minutes with Tim Tebow and you will be a better person" yeesh, those announcers were terrible. Like seriously? Tommie Frazier didn't run the option better?

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I also agree with Vegas Vic. At the end of the year, TCU was a better team than Utah. Their defense is definitely a top 5 defense in college football, maybe even #2. I thought they could have been a BCS buster this year but really laid an egg at Oklahoma early on. I saw that game and they just got taken by surprise in the first quarter. Played solid after that, but couldn't recover.

You can't claim that. 1) TCU didn't lay an egg - they got beat straight up. I defended them as the 8th best team in the country, but OU outclassed them in September. 2)Utah surprised Alabama and was up 21-0 early. TCU surprised OU and was up 3-0.

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TCU could be good again next year. They lose a lot of starters but Hughes has said he's going to stay. He could be the best defensive player in college football next year. Unfortunately, I've heard they are having trouble scheduling teams. MWC has a shitty TV deal with Versus and any big schools don't want to play without ESPN/ABC getting the game rights.

Hughes isn't that good- he's Dwight Freeney redux aka put slow LT/TE's out there and he'll get 2-3 sacks in a games, put a decent tackle out there and he's nothing special. Still, in that conference he'll get ~20 sacks.

cougarfreak · 01-10-2009, 07:44 AM

Personally, I think Utah hands down. Their SOS wasn't great, but when they did play the best team on their schedule (Alabama, who was a top 10 team), they whipped them, worse than the so called champ, Florida.

Cringer · 01-10-2009, 10:16 AM

Hey, what a surprise here.....we will never f'n know guys, no point in arguing it.

View Poll Results: Who deserves to be #1?
Florida?	47	43.93%
Texas?	3	2.80%
USC?	9	8.41%
Utah?	43	40.19%
Trout U?	5	4.67%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll

01-08-2009, 10:48 PM	#3
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01-08-2009, 10:56 PM	#6
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I think you have to go with Florida, but...that said, I think Utah -- with the lack of a playoff -- deserves at least a claim to something. They beat the same team Florida did to get to the BCS championship, without the preparation that most folks use to deprive them of the opportunity. So with that, I say that they deserve a shot. Would they win on the field? Probably not. But I don't think I expected them to get past Alabama the way they did. They didn't need the Statue of Liberty to do it, either. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

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Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	The only undefeated team. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

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01-08-2009, 10:47 PM	#2
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Florida, it's not even a question at this point. And really hasn't seemed like much of a question since they beat Alabama. And if I had an actual ballot, I'd probably go Florida, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 01-08-2009 at 10:49 PM.

01-08-2009, 10:48 PM	#4
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Utah

01-08-2009, 11:08 PM	#9
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Does the fact that Utah defeated Oregon State, in which USC lost to, matter in who should be ahead between those two teams?

01-08-2009, 11:10 PM	#10
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	You can make an argument for or against all of these teams but it's irrelevant. Florida won the national championship game and the AP will also vote them #1 meaning the Gators are sole national champions. It's like Clint Eastwood once said, deserve's got nothing to do with it.

01-08-2009, 11:30 PM	#12
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Florida is the NATIONAL CHAMPION...go ahead and count utah as #1 if you like. Not unlike the NFL last year, New England was obviously #1 but the Giants were the champs....

01-08-2009, 11:39 PM	#14
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Hell, I've had Florida #1 since mid-season - even since they completely took apart LSU and Kentucky in back to back weeks. And then they just kept on rolling. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-09-2009, 01:09 AM	#16
kingnebwsu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ohio	Utah #5? Wow. I'm a mid-major at heart I guess when I'd put them #1 or #2.

01-09-2009, 01:38 AM	#17
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	There are really only two teams that have a reasonable claim to #1, Florida and Utah. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-09-2009, 06:36 AM	#19
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I guess this year is a pretty good argument for the "plus-one" model. __________________ My listening habits

01-09-2009, 07:17 AM	#20
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	And USC over Texas for 3rd is a miniscule difference. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-09-2009, 09:39 AM	#23
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	The point he's making is just because the Giants won one head to head matchup doesn't necessarily make them the better team. And I'd agree. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-09-2009, 09:53 AM	#24
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	They weren't. But they still got the trophy. The BCS isn't the playoff we'd want, but it's still a playoff that the second-tier conferences agreed to. They're just as complicit, even if the outcome is lame. Sure, they have no power, but if they all banded together...they'd have a lot more say than they do now, but they're too concerned with trying to suck off the big conferences.

01-09-2009, 10:12 AM	#25
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Add one more to Utah's total. I accidentally hit USC and didn't catch it until I submitted it. Utah won all the games put in front of them and their BCS bowl. What else can they do? The Utah team that beat Alabama would have probably beat Florida or OU last night they way they played. Very lethargic performances.

01-09-2009, 05:38 PM	#30
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I put Utah #5 (just I like BYU in 1980 or something). Not being in the top 25 in SOS does that. A plus+1 game would be Florida-USC. Texas-Oklahoma would play for the consolation prize.

01-10-2009, 02:07 AM	#33
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	I posted this in the bowl games thread, but seeing as how the bowls are over with, I'm re-posting it here. I watched six of Utah's games this year, so I feel like I have a good handle on them. First, they have a damned good team, there's no question about that. However, I think that TCU was the best team in the Mountain West this year. They went into Salt Lake City on Nov. 6th, and absolutely dominated the game against Utah, outgaining the Utes 416-275. Utah won the game 13-10, due to TCU missing three chip shot field goals and dropping a wide open TD pass. It was as much as a gift win as you'll ever see. Then, Utah caught the perfect storm against an unmotivated Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl, and to their credit, they took full advantage of it. However, if you put this team up against a motivated USC, Florida or Texas in a championship scenerio, they wouldn't come close to winning the game.

01-10-2009, 05:19 AM	#34
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	The saddest part about this all ending is that I'd have loved to have seen Tebow go against that USC defense. Most of those kids are going to be gone next year. One of the greatest college QBs of all time against one of the best college defenses we've seen in awhile. I also agree with Vegas Vic. At the end of the year, TCU was a better team than Utah. Their defense is definitely a top 5 defense in college football, maybe even #2. I thought they could have been a BCS buster this year but really laid an egg at Oklahoma early on. I saw that game and they just got taken by surprise in the first quarter. Played solid after that, but couldn't recover. TCU could be good again next year. They lose a lot of starters but Hughes has said he's going to stay. He could be the best defensive player in college football next year. Unfortunately, I've heard they are having trouble scheduling teams. MWC has a shitty TV deal with Versus and any big schools don't want to play without ESPN/ABC getting the game rights.

01-10-2009, 05:29 AM	#35
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	I agree with VegasVic etc, that I thought/(think) TCU was the best team in the MWC as a betting man, but Utah stepped up, won all its games and didn't leave things up for debate. How can you turn down a team that went undefeated, won on the road at multiple FBS teams and locc'ed Alabama in a bowl game?

01-10-2009, 07:44 AM	#37
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	Personally, I think Utah hands down. Their SOS wasn't great, but when they did play the best team on their schedule (Alabama, who was a top 10 team), they whipped them, worse than the so called champ, Florida.

01-10-2009, 10:16 AM	#38
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Hey, what a surprise here.....we will never f'n know guys, no point in arguing it. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

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