Brady vs. Manning redux

st.cronin · 07-31-2008, 03:04 PM

Digging through the archives I found this old thread:

http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=43040

At the time, Manning had seasons of gaudy numbers in non-championship seasons, and Brady had won Super Bowls. Since then, Manning has won a Super Bowl and Brady has put up gaudy numbers in seasons where his team didn't win the Super Bowll.

I'm curious if anybody has changed their mind since the original thread.

MikeVic · 07-31-2008, 03:07 PM

I still think I'd take Manning right now. Both are awesome QBs, but I picked Manning initially, and I don't see enough of a swing (if any) to change my mind.

molson · 07-31-2008, 03:12 PM

I think Manning's better, but if I had a very average team (like the '01 Pats), I'd still be tempted to go with Brady.

st.cronin · 07-31-2008, 03:15 PM

I would take Brady, but I don't think there's a dime's worth of difference between them. They both have a case for best qb ever.

Passacaglia · 07-31-2008, 03:20 PM

I was hoping this would be Drew Henson vs. Tee Martin.

st.cronin · 07-31-2008, 03:23 PM

In that case, Pass, I would take the SEC guy.

Racer · 07-31-2008, 03:43 PM

I would take Manning, but I'm also biased.

Greyroofoo · 07-31-2008, 03:47 PM

Manning ++

Lathum · 07-31-2008, 04:46 PM

I think I have to take Brady. 4 superbowls, 3 wins and various MVP and records while being surrounded with arguably less talent.

He won 3 superbowls and never had a receiver as good as Harrison or Wayne

VPI97 · 07-31-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

He won 3 superbowls and never had a receiver as good as Harrison or Wayne

Yeah, but he had Moss and lost to the Giants.

Lathum · 07-31-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Yeah, but he had Moss and lost to the Giants.

thats because Eli is better then Peyton could ever hope to be.

Greyroofoo · 07-31-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I have to take Brady. 4 superbowls, 3 wins and various MVP and records while being surrounded with arguably less talent.

He won 3 superbowls and never had a receiver as good as Harrison or Wayne

Peyton has never had a defense as good as the Patriots either.

Chubby · 07-31-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I have to take Brady. 4 superbowls, 3 wins and various MVP and records while being surrounded with arguably less talent.

He won 3 superbowls and never had a receiver as good as Harrison or Wayne

Manning never had tapes of all the opponents signals...

molson · 07-31-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Manning never had tapes of all the opponents signals...

Sure he did.

It's not illegal to tape the opposing coach's signals, unless you do it from the field, sidelines, or any other area where the coaching staff might have access to it during the game. The Pats figured they were OK if they didn't ACTUALLY use it during the game, though the rules clearly say otherwise.

Raiders Army · 07-31-2008, 06:17 PM

Ryan Leaf. I have his rookie card.

SFL Cat · 07-31-2008, 06:23 PM

Brady and Manning both will be Tony Romo's beeatches soon enough...

st.cronin · 07-31-2008, 09:56 PM

I think they basically have exactly the same skill set. Manning may have had more talent on his side of the ball, Brady probably has had better coaching staffs. But basically I think they're pretty much the same qb. Switch them around, and I think there is no significant difference in results.

Noop · 07-31-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Manning never had tapes of all the opponents signals...

larrymcg421 · 07-31-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I have to take Brady. 4 superbowls, 3 wins and various MVP and records while being surrounded with arguably less talent.

He won 3 superbowls and never had a receiver as good as Harrison or Wayne

If I listed the top 100 things to consider when evaluating which QB is better...

99. Superbowl
100. MVP Awards

Having said that, Brady took a big jump up in my eyes, bigger than Peyton did when he finally won his ring. I still have Peyton a little higher, but I rate Brady alot higher than I did before.

Raiders Army · 08-01-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Having said that, Brady took a big jump up in my eyes, bigger than Peyton did when he finally won his ring. I still have Peyton a little higher, but I rate Brady alot higher than I did before.

eh?

larrymcg421 · 08-01-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

eh?

I always had Manning higher. The Superbowl win didn't make him much better in my eyes, since I think that's a silly way to judge individual talent. Brady's performance last season moved him up quite a bit in my eyes, but not higher than Manning yet.

Suburban Rhythm · 08-01-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

eh?

So if I am understanding, by putting up a regular season of monster numbers, and then losing in the Super Bowl, he improved?

Atocep · 08-01-2008, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

So if I am understanding, by putting up a regular season of monster numbers, and then losing in the Super Bowl, he improved?

I'd have to ask what winning a Super Bowl has to do with gauging the talent/career of an individual player?

Suburban Rhythm · 08-01-2008, 06:34 AM

Isn't winning 3 Super Bowls the most used argument of Brady's all-time greatness?

larrymcg421 · 08-01-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

So if I am understanding, by putting up a regular season of monster numbers, and then losing in the Super Bowl, he improved?

Yes.

larrymcg421 · 08-01-2008, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Isn't winning 3 Super Bowls the most used argument of Brady's all-time greatness?

I'm not claiming he's an all-time great, nor am I claiming to be using conventional arguments.

Raiders Army · 08-01-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I always had Manning higher. The Superbowl win didn't make him much better in my eyes, since I think that's a silly way to judge individual talent. Brady's performance last season moved him up quite a bit in my eyes, but not higher than Manning yet.

ah

fantom1979 · 08-01-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Isn't winning 3 Super Bowls the most used argument of Brady's all-time greatness?

If you work for ESPN, then yes. RBI's are also the best way to judge a baseball player's greatness.

07-31-2008, 03:15 PM	#4
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I would take Brady, but I don't think there's a dime's worth of difference between them. They both have a case for best qb ever. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-31-2008, 03:23 PM	#6
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	In that case, Pass, I would take the SEC guy. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-31-2008, 09:56 PM	#17
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think they basically have exactly the same skill set. Manning may have had more talent on his side of the ball, Brady probably has had better coaching staffs. But basically I think they're pretty much the same qb. Switch them around, and I think there is no significant difference in results. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-01-2008, 06:34 AM	#24
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	Isn't winning 3 Super Bowls the most used argument of Brady's all-time greatness? __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

07-31-2008, 03:07 PM	#2
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I still think I'd take Manning right now. Both are awesome QBs, but I picked Manning initially, and I don't see enough of a swing (if any) to change my mind.

07-31-2008, 03:12 PM	#3
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I think Manning's better, but if I had a very average team (like the '01 Pats), I'd still be tempted to go with Brady.

07-31-2008, 03:20 PM	#5
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I was hoping this would be Drew Henson vs. Tee Martin.

07-31-2008, 03:43 PM	#7
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	I would take Manning, but I'm also biased.

07-31-2008, 03:47 PM	#8
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Manning ++

07-31-2008, 04:46 PM	#9
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think I have to take Brady. 4 superbowls, 3 wins and various MVP and records while being surrounded with arguably less talent. He won 3 superbowls and never had a receiver as good as Harrison or Wayne

07-31-2008, 06:17 PM	#15
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Ryan Leaf. I have his rookie card.

07-31-2008, 06:23 PM	#16
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	Brady and Manning both will be Tony Romo's beeatches soon enough...

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