Finally, the Britney Spears Crazy Train pulls into the Station..

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Axxon, not every action of immature, irresponsible, selfish behavior can blamed on mental illness (or method acting). When one abuses drugs or alcohol, or engage in destructive physical behavior, or throwns a tantrum because of immaturity, it can blamed on something else thereby excusing such behavior. By doing so, it relieves the doer of accepting personal responsibility and builds the public perception that one can't help him/herself because it's not their fault. You and I know that there are root causes but most can accept the personal responsibility to control that, knowing that conscious choices made to engage in destructive behavior can lead to bad consequences. Hollywood and celebritism is a bad place to get into if you are immature, spoiled and too self-conscious, for the temptations are great to feed upon that.

Right I agree, but I think we have a communications breakdown. You seemed saying that whenever celebrities make bad decisions they blame it on mental illness ( I would almost call BS because anytime any celebrity behaves badly, they play the bipolar or shizo card ) which I pointed out isn't really the case.

Using those two specific issues, which Britney seems to be doing, is pretty rare since these aren't mischevious illnesses but serious mental disorders.

That's what I was getting out.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Britany Spears and Lindsay Lohan are 2 good examples of why NOT to allow children to be famous. Of course, the list could be extended to Gary Coleman, Dana Plato, Todd Bridges, McCauley Caulkin, the Olson twins, and numerous others you see in the news. For every Kirk Cameron there is a Tracy Gold.

And this is different from real life how? Hell, I posted about my dolphin friend and he's only one person I know who acts badly and blames it on other things.

That's human nature there. Primadonna's and excusing bad behavior is a standard human response so picking out the cases you hear about because everyone hears about makes it seem like they are different but barring a site ( or a reasoned opinion by our resident child expert eaglesfan 27 ) I'm not buying that this is a fame specific response and not just something we see every day, in every walk of life but just don't think about it since they're not famous.

[SirFozzie]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Musi...ars/index.html

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- A police motorcade the length of a football field escorted troubled pop star Britney Spears to a Los Angeles hospital early Thursday to get her some help, a law-enforcement official told CNN.

This is the second hospital visit for Spears this month, coming after her psychologist called the police, according to the Los Angeles Times.

She was removed from her home for a "mental evaluation hold," according to the L.A. Times.

The North Hollywood Police Department sent about eight officers to Spears' hilltop house in Studio City, California, about 12:55 a.m. Thursday, according to the law enforcement official, who asked not to be identified because he's not authorized to comment publicly.

The group at Spears' house included plainclothes officers, motorcycle police, ambulance crews and some police "brass," the official said.

It took the better part of the day to arrange the transport plan, the officer said.

[oliegirl]

Hopefully now she'll get the help she so obviously and desperately needs.

[watravaler]

It's a friggin circus, the rehab CD is right around the corner...rinse and repeat...

If she is serious about getting clean, and is not simply orchestrating some ridiculous PR creation, she would have been out of the limelight years ago...

[rkmsuf]

Police? WTF.

This is beyond beyond at this point.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by watravaler

It's a friggin circus, the rehab CD is right around the corner...rinse and repeat...

If she is serious about getting clean, and is not simply orchestrating some ridiculous PR creation, she would have been out of the limelight years ago...

I agree with you...to a point. I don't think SHE is the one who is orchestrating all of this, she isn't in the state of mind to accept that she is sick, let alone come up with a plan to put her on psychiatric hold. At this point, it's her parents - and in my opinion - her mom, who is allowing/encouraging this to play out in front of the media.

From what I've read, after the last hospitalization, she had papers drawn up to give Sam Lufti power over this kind of thing, and in all honestly, to me at least, it seems like he is trying to help her. Her parents haven't been around the situation like he has been every day, seeing her deteriorate, and getting to where he knows her state of mind, etc.

No matter what happens in the long run, this is at least a step in the right direction.

[MalcPow]

Is there any possibility that her shrinks are overreacting a bit as well? A police motorcade? You couldn't drive her over?

I could see whoever is attending to her being so concerned with the liability involved if she did something suicidal (because there is such widespread belief of her total insanity), that things feed themselves to a point where a doctor has to take every worst case scenario action to cover themselves. Would anyone be shocked if Spears took a bunch of pills? Do any of us really have any knowledge of her state of mind to assess that as reasonable?

I think both answers are 'no.' And that it's at least possible that the pressure of public perception could be having a real impact on the actions of those treating her, and to her detriment. Just seems silly, but I have no clue what I'm talking about.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Hopefully now she'll get the help she so obviously and desperately needs.

Color me not optimistic.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by MalcPow

Is there any possibility that her shrinks are overreacting a bit as well? A police motorcade? You couldn't drive her over?

I could see whoever is attending to her being so concerned with the liability involved if she did something suicidal (because there is such widespread belief of her total insanity), that things feed themselves to a point where a doctor has to take every worst case scenario action to cover themselves. Would anyone be shocked if Spears took a bunch of pills? Do any of us really have any knowledge of her state of mind to assess that as reasonable?

I think both answers are 'no.' And that it's at least possible that the pressure of public perception could be having a real impact on the actions of those treating her, and to her detriment. Just seems silly, but I have no clue what I'm talking about.

With the army of paparazzi I'd think it'd be impossible to "just drive over there" and get her. If she was having a breakdown I'd say having a police escort is a good idea. The paparazzi killed princess Diana and she wasn't even mentally ill at the time and arguably less hounded by the press at the time as well.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by MalcPow

Is there any possibility that her shrinks are overreacting a bit as well? A police motorcade? You couldn't drive her over?

I could see whoever is attending to her being so concerned with the liability involved if she did something suicidal (because there is such widespread belief of her total insanity), that things feed themselves to a point where a doctor has to take every worst case scenario action to cover themselves. Would anyone be shocked if Spears took a bunch of pills? Do any of us really have any knowledge of her state of mind to assess that as reasonable?

I think both answers are 'no.' And that it's at least possible that the pressure of public perception could be having a real impact on the actions of those treating her, and to her detriment. Just seems silly, but I have no clue what I'm talking about.

I agree that's it's all been blown way out of proportion and that those involved have allowed the media attention to cloud their judgement. But I don't think that anyone could deny the fact that her being in the hospital is what is best for her right now...so at the end of the day, the fact that she is there is really all that matters.

I'm not optimistic that this is going to "fix" her, I think it's very possible that she is too far gone for that, or that b/c of her "celebrity" status, no one will ever truly have her best interest at heart and she will be released too early, given one too many chances to go off her meds, etc...I personally feel she'll be dead by the end of the year.

[SirFozzie]

Dayumn. This has to be at least a bit of an exaggeration.. 96 hours without sleep?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4383003a1860.html

She has been placed on a 5150 hold - a piece of US legislation which means she poses a danger to herself and others.

It is claimed the intervention was planned for days and was finally executed when Britney’s condition deteriorated after she went without sleep since Saturday

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Dayumn. This has to be at least a bit of an exaggeration.. 96 hours without sleep?

Can you say... crystal meth?

[stevew]

what die first?
Winehouse or Spear.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by stevew

what die first?
Winehouse or Spear.

Winehouse, when there is a video of you smoking crack on the internet, and all the police are doing are "investigating it", that's not a good sign.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Winehouse, when there is a video of you smoking crack on the internet, and all the police are doing are "investigating it", that's not a good sign.

They tried to make her go to rehab, but she said, "no, no, no."

(Ok, that was a horrible joke/pun.. but it had be done)

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

They tried to make her go to rehab, but she said, "no, no, no."

(Ok, that was a horrible joke/pun.. but it had be done)

Bad joke, great song. Now SHE is a waste of talent...

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

She has been placed on a 5150 hold - a piece of US legislation

Ignorant of the difference between the US and California, AND not a Van Halen fan? I'm offended.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by stevew

what die first?
Winehouse or Spear.

Other than having a substance abuse problem and presumably being a singer of some sort, I have no idea who Amy Winehouse is. I have never heard any of her songs or have any idea what kind of music she sings.

How/when did she become relevant?

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Other than having a substance abuse problem and presumably being a singer of some sort, I have no idea who Amy Winehouse is. I have never heard any of her songs or have any idea what kind of music she sings.

How/when did she become relevant?

She seems to be on the same self destruction track that Britney is on, though it seems like Winehouse is only suffering from drug addition, not a bipolar disorder. A lot of people have them as the top 2 celebs to die this year, it's just a question of who goes first.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Other than having a substance abuse problem and presumably being a singer of some sort, I have no idea who Amy Winehouse is. I have never heard any of her songs or have any idea what kind of music she sings.

How/when did she become relevant?

nerd

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

nerd

I prefer geek.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I prefer geek.

I don't know who she is either.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

She seems to be on the same self destruction track that Britney is on, though it seems like Winehouse is only suffering from drug addition, not a bipolar disorder. A lot of people have them as the top 2 celebs to die this year, it's just a question of who goes first.

I understand that, I just don't know why Winehouse is in the news. Britney, I understand. She was crazy popular for a while there.

Is/was Winehouse a popular musician? As far as I can tell, the only reason she seems to be "in the news" is because of her self desctruction track.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I don't know who she is either.

Of course you don't. In your world there is one, and only one, woman: rksmufette.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I understand that, I just don't know why Winehouse is in the news. Britney, I understand. She was crazy popular for a while there.

Is/was Winehouse a popular musician? As far as I can tell, the only reason she seems to be "in the news" is because of her self desctruction track.

She's nominated for 6 Grammy's this year. Dunno how that directly relates to popularity, but shows some level of respect in the industry.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by stevew

She's nominated for 6 Grammy's this year. Dunno how that directly relates to popularity, but shows some level of respect in the industry.

Six Grammy's? Really? Huh. That's pretty impressive, I suppose.

Well, hopefully she'll get her life in order.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Of course you don't. In your world there is one, and only one, woman: rksmufette.

smufette is kind of a hot name

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by stevew

She's nominated for 6 Grammy's this year. Dunno how that directly relates to popularity, but shows some level of respect in the industry.

Her album "Back to Black" was probably the most critically acclaimed album of the year. Her big hit "Rehab" was kind of prophetic...main chorus is:

They tried to make me go to rehab but I said 'no, no, no'
Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know
I ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine
He's tried to make me go to rehab but I won't go go go

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Dayumn. This has to be at least a bit of an exaggeration.. 96 hours without sleep?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4383003a1860.html

She has been placed on a 5150 hold - a piece of US legislation which means she poses a danger to herself and others.

It is claimed the intervention was planned for days and was finally executed when Britney’s condition deteriorated after she went without sleep since Saturday

I don't think that's an exaggeration. My friend would go on sleepless binges like that. I once kept up with him for roughly 50 hours just because but I died out long before he did.

A good rule of thumb; just because something isn't normal doesn't mean people don't do it. That's why they're called crazy.

[CU Tiger]

I once went 5 days without sleep....think Clapton called that one....

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I once went 5 days without sleep....think Clapton called that one....

When I was a young man, I'd try experiments like this but never got much over 80 or so hours before I gave up the ghost. I wasn't trying to push myself past the limits merely test them and I wasn't on anything stronger than Lipton tea at the time.

What's scary is I just googled sleep deprivation and the first thing it mentions is it might cause Type II diabetes which I did contract years later. It would suck totally if I did this to myself but who knew??

hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation

[Axxon]

Dola,

no idea on the veracity of this but I found it interesting.

Death by Sleep Deprivation

Nazi experimenters discovered during rather inhumane experiments during WWII that test subjects will die after an extended period of total sleep deprivation (TSD). They also found that the vast majority of subjects followed a specific pattern of behaviour by day. [By Craig Doran, Ph.D.]
Subject

Life Expectancy with TSD
(Total Sleep Deprivation)
Puppy Dog 96 hrs.
Human 264 hrs.
Rhinoceros 153 hrs.
Sheep 340 hrs
Army Ant 24 hrs.

If this is true then it clearly may not be exaggeration that she hasn't slept in 96 hours, and if the last link is true then it's also reinforcing the schizophrenia idea which I think is quite possible here.

hxxp://www.deeperwants.com/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/001284.html

hxxp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061123234445AAzymO9

It is believed sleep deprivation for more than 72 hours straight can lead to schizophrenia and irreversable brain damage. Although the scientific results are still inconclusive.

The record for the longest period without sleep is 18 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes during a rocking chair marathon. The record holder reported hallucinations, paranoia, blurred vision, slurred speech and memory and concentration lapses.

[Axxon]

dola whatever,

did I accidently Godwin the thread with my last post

[Buccaneer]

As brought up earlier, those very close to Hershel Walker had no idea of his disorder, yet those with no closeness to Spears readily accepts that she has a condition? Maybe she is simply a crack addict, which could cause destructive behavior to self and others?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

As brought up earlier, those very close to Hershel Walker had no idea of his disorder, yet those with no closeness to Spears readily accepts that she has a condition? Maybe she is simply a crack addict, which could cause destructive behavior to self and others?

Sounds like her parents have finally woken up and smelled the crazy. A judge today granted them temporary conservatorship of her estate.

hxxp://www.nbc5i.com/whattheel/15198647/detail.html