Were they wrong v1: Alex Rodriguez vs Toronto - Page 2

Fonzie · 06-01-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Legal doesn't mean right. That's about as simple as it gets. It's a play that should get ARod beaned in the head the next time Toronto sees him and should have gotten him punched on site. It's the same lack of class that he displayed with the swipe at the pitcher a couple years back and is quickly becoming the kind of thing that defines him as a person.

If it's not right, then the powers that be should make it illegal. Until or unless they do this practice is technically "right" and I have no problem with it.

BrianD · 06-01-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

First off, I'm not saying folks who are upset "have no clue." I'm simply asking why folks are so upset about something that is legal.

This may be splitting hairs, but rather than calling this a legal play, I would say that it is not illegal. It is functionally the same, but it has a slightly different feel.

Then again, I have always been one to dislike all of the cheap-but-not-illegal activities in all sports. I understand that everybody does it to get even the slightest edge, but I'm not fond of it.

Fonzie · 06-02-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

This may be splitting hairs, but rather than calling this a legal play, I would say that it is not illegal. It is functionally the same, but it has a slightly different feel.

Then again, I have always been one to dislike all of the cheap-but-not-illegal activities in all sports. I understand that everybody does it to get even the slightest edge, but I'm not fond of it.

That's a fair enough point. And for what it's worth, the fan in me tends to agree with you. I'm not trying to argue that this is a "good" play at all, as I personally tend to dislike this kind of stuff. But, it is legal (or not illegal, if frowned upon) and it helps his team, so I don't have a problem with him doing it (and the manager in me says "if it'll help us win then by all means do it!").

BrianD · 06-02-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

That's a fair enough point. And for what it's worth, the fan in me tends to agree with you. I'm not trying to argue that this is a "good" play at all, as I personally tend to dislike this kind of stuff. But, it is legal (or not illegal, if frowned upon) and it helps his team, so I don't have a problem with him doing it (and the manager in me says "if it'll help us win then by all means do it!").

If this situation had led to a game-winning run, I would personally prefer my team lose rather than win this way. I'm not a "win at all costs" person, but I wouldn't argue against those that are. I know that I am way in the minority.

Our Little League coach occasionally had us do a hidden ball trick on opponents. I always felt ashamed when it worked.

Maple Leafs · 07-16-2007, 01:01 PM

The Jays and Yankees play tonight for the first time since the incident. Josh Towers is pitching for Toronto.

Regardless of whether you thought A-Rod's move was bush league or not, do you think Towers has to dot him? If so, how do the Yankees react?

MikeVic · 07-16-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

The Jays and Yankees play tonight for the first time since the incident. Josh Towers is pitching for Toronto.

Regardless of whether you thought A-Rod's move was bush league or not, do you think Towers has to dot him? If so, how do the Yankees react?

I forgot about this... I don't think he gets hit.

JPhillips · 07-16-2007, 01:13 PM

Towers should hit him with the first pitch he sees. The Blue Jays aren't going anywhere this year, so what's a suspension going to do? I think the whole episode was overplayed by the media, but Towers needs to let A-Rod know that he can't do that sort of thing without a large welt in return.

CraigSca · 07-16-2007, 01:16 PM

They mentioned this on the FAN today. They think he'll get hit, and they recommend ARod not make a big deal out of it (unless they go for his head, which they don't think they'll do).

Travis · 07-16-2007, 01:29 PM

Hit him, put him on and have Thomas playing 1B. Frank gets to try out a powerbomb.

Sure, it won't happen, but it looks plenty funny in my head.

In all seriousness, I'm really curious to see if they do anything. If I were a betting man I'd say nothing, as a fan of the game, he should get hit. Assuming the umps may even warn both teams before the start of the game, maybe Janssen starts the game warming up in the pen?

Maple Leafs · 07-16-2007, 01:48 PM

Put one in his ribs on the first pitch, and it's done with (assuming he doesn't react like a girl).

JPhillips · 07-16-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Hit him, put him on and have Thomas playing 1B. Frank gets to try out a powerbomb.

Sure, it won't happen, but it looks plenty funny in my head.

In all seriousness, I'm really curious to see if they do anything. If I were a betting man I'd say nothing, as a fan of the game, he should get hit. Assuming the umps may even warn both teams before the start of the game, maybe Janssen starts the game warming up in the pen?

Starting the game with a reliever warming up would send a message.

Travis · 07-16-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Starting the game with a reliever warming up would send a message.

Be better to start with Towers in the pen and have League start the game

larrymcg421 · 07-16-2007, 03:16 PM

A-Rod should take the hit, take his base, and say, "See, I'm not gonna whine like you pussies did."

Brillig · 07-16-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

A-Rod should take the hit, take his base, and say, "See, I'm not gonna whine like you pussies did."

And prove himself a liar and a whiner. Two-fer.

MikeVic · 07-16-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillig

And prove himself a liar and a whiner. Two-fer.

miami_fan · 07-16-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Put one in his ribs on the first pitch, and it's done with (assuming he doesn't react like a girl).

I agree. I also hope the umpire decides that the pitcher was intentionally throwing at Rodriguez and throws the pitcher out of the game. I also hope the Blue Jays don't insult our intelligence by saying it was not intentional or it was a pitch that "just slipped"

Jas_lov · 07-16-2007, 03:27 PM

I don't think they'll hit A-Rod his first time up. I think they'll wait until the Yankees are up 8-2 before they hit him. If they throw at his head the Yankees will put Proctor in and he'll throw one at Frank Thomas's head and it'll all be settled. I see Kei Igawa is starting for New York so change that to 8-2 in favor of Toronto when they hit him.

Maple Leafs · 07-16-2007, 07:15 PM

And.... the Jays puss out. Nice work. Wouldn't want to jeapordize a sure win in the form of a start by the mighty Josh Towers.

We were almost vaguely relevant in the AL East for at least one night for the first time in the Riccardi era... really dodged a bullet there.

Jas_lov · 07-16-2007, 07:20 PM

Another A-bomb for A-Rod. They should have hit him.

miami_fan · 08-07-2007, 08:04 PM

Does it really make sense to fnally hit A-Rod on the same night that Clemens is pitching?

Maple Leafs · 08-07-2007, 08:18 PM

So the Jays threw at A-Rod last night, and then hit him tonight, clearing the benches for a couple of half-hearted shoving matches.

I don't get it. You had a chance to send a message last month and you didn't. Why now? Especially tonight, since Towers already faced A-Rod last time around. I know there were warnings last time, but this just seems like a case of picking your spot.

P.S. Don't you wish you could bet on things like "If A-Rod was ever hit intentionally, he'd take a few steps to the mound but not actually charge"?

MikeVic · 08-07-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

P.S. Don't you wish you could bet on things like "If A-Rod was ever hit intentionally, he'd take a few steps to the mound but not actually charge"?

Yes Bill Simmons. ;D

Maple Leafs · 08-07-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Yes Bill Simmons. ;D

Not good times. Bad times.

Maple Leafs · 08-07-2007, 08:27 PM

And now Clemens drills Rios and gets tossed.

Come on Roger, why not wait two months?

CU Tiger · 08-07-2007, 08:52 PM

one thing that cant be questioned.
Roger will play the game the "right" way and he isnt scared to come in high and hard.

I mean really, for the sake of your own players, don't bean him with a 72 year old steroid fueled rocket on the mound, it cant end good.

Logan · 08-07-2007, 09:37 PM

Without a doubt, the only Yankee pitcher who protects his teammates.

Jas_lov · 08-07-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

one thing that cant be questioned.
Roger will play the game the "right" way and he isnt scared to come in high and hard.

I mean really, for the sake of your own players, don't bean him with a 72 year old steroid fueled rocket on the mound, it cant end good.

He plays the game the "right" way and then you say he uses steroids, which is it? Anyway, Roger had a good game tonight and did the right thing sticking up for his teammate like he always does. The Yankees got to try out their supposed new 7th inning man, Joba Chamberlain, so it all worked out for the best and the Yankees win again.

miami_fan · 08-08-2007, 05:43 AM

I thought because A-Rod had broken one of those unwritten rules, the Yankees were not suppose to retaliate.

Huckleberry · 08-08-2007, 08:35 AM

I can explain why the Blue Jays waited. Because they're pussies. The same reason they whined about the original incident in the first place.

Logan · 08-08-2007, 10:17 AM

So when one pussy hits another pussy, what does that mean?

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

So when one pussy hits another pussy, what does that mean?

Hot lesbian action.

EagleFan · 08-08-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

So when one pussy hits another pussy, what does that mean?

hot lesbian action?

EagleFan · 08-08-2007, 10:20 AM

dola: lol, dammit

miked · 08-08-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

I can explain why the Blue Jays waited. Because they're pussies. The same reason they whined about the original incident in the first place.

+1

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

dola: lol, dammit

Maple Leafs · 08-08-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

I can explain why the Blue Jays waited. Because they're pussies. The same reason they whined about the original incident in the first place.

I don't have a problem with them whining about the original incident. But it's either a big deal or it's not. If it is, take care of it first chance you get and move on. If not, shut up about it.

larrymcg421 · 08-08-2007, 11:00 AM

I don't mind the original incident. I don't mind throwing at him in retaliation (although I agree it should have been done sooner.) And I don't mind Clemens paying that back. It's all baseball.

I hate both ARod and (especially) Clemens, but don't have a problem with anything they did in this situation.

Sweed · 08-08-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

I thought because A-Rod had broken one of those unwritten rules, the Yankees were not suppose to retaliate.

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I don't have a problem with them whining about the original incident. But it's either a big deal or it's not. If it is, take care of it first chance you get and move on. If not, shut up about it.

Yeah, I think if they throw at ARod the first time they play the Yankees don't retaliate. Problem comes when they don't do it right away but wait. On top of that they throw behind him one night and then hit him the next.

Christ it's not rocket science it's simple baseball justice. Seems the Jays would screw up a wet-dream.

SteveMax58 · 08-08-2007, 01:02 PM

I think the Jays should just chant something like "Hey, batter, batter, batter...SWING!!!" next time he comes up.

That'll teach him to force them into [falling for] bush league tactics.

Logan · 08-08-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Hot lesbian action.

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

hot lesbian action?

Bump, set...

MikeVic · 08-09-2007, 12:19 PM

Heh, ESPN.com has a timeline of cheating in sports up right now.

They actually included this in there. When you read the other entries, this one seems like such a far reach.

MikeVic · 08-11-2007, 02:27 PM

I re-watched Major League 2 today. There's a scene where Willie Mays Hays tries to run-out a pop up to the 2B, and yells "I got it!" The 2B stops going for the ball, and Hays is safe. The team they're playing? The Blue Jays.

larrymcg421 · 08-11-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I re-watched Major League 2 today. There's a scene where Willie Mays Hays tries to run-out a pop up to the 2B, and yells "I got it!" The 2B stops going for the ball, and Hays is safe. The team they're playing? The Blue Jays.

That's the Omar Epps influence. Wesley wouldn't have done that.

MikeVic · 08-11-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

That's the Omar Epps influence. Wesley wouldn't have done that.

Ah yeah, bush-league Omar.

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07-16-2007, 01:01 PM	#56
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	The Jays and Yankees play tonight for the first time since the incident. Josh Towers is pitching for Toronto. Regardless of whether you thought A-Rod's move was bush league or not, do you think Towers has to dot him? If so, how do the Yankees react? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-16-2007, 01:13 PM	#58
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Towers should hit him with the first pitch he sees. The Blue Jays aren't going anywhere this year, so what's a suspension going to do? I think the whole episode was overplayed by the media, but Towers needs to let A-Rod know that he can't do that sort of thing without a large welt in return. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-16-2007, 01:16 PM	#59
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	They mentioned this on the FAN today. They think he'll get hit, and they recommend ARod not make a big deal out of it (unless they go for his head, which they don't think they'll do). __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

07-16-2007, 01:29 PM	#60
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Hit him, put him on and have Thomas playing 1B. Frank gets to try out a powerbomb. Sure, it won't happen, but it looks plenty funny in my head. In all seriousness, I'm really curious to see if they do anything. If I were a betting man I'd say nothing, as a fan of the game, he should get hit. Assuming the umps may even warn both teams before the start of the game, maybe Janssen starts the game warming up in the pen? __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

07-16-2007, 01:48 PM	#61
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Put one in his ribs on the first pitch, and it's done with (assuming he doesn't react like a girl). __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-16-2007, 03:16 PM	#64
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	A-Rod should take the hit, take his base, and say, "See, I'm not gonna whine like you pussies did." __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-16-2007, 03:27 PM	#68
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I don't think they'll hit A-Rod his first time up. I think they'll wait until the Yankees are up 8-2 before they hit him. If they throw at his head the Yankees will put Proctor in and he'll throw one at Frank Thomas's head and it'll all be settled. I see Kei Igawa is starting for New York so change that to 8-2 in favor of Toronto when they hit him.

07-16-2007, 07:15 PM	#69
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	And.... the Jays puss out. Nice work. Wouldn't want to jeapordize a sure win in the form of a start by the mighty Josh Towers. We were almost vaguely relevant in the AL East for at least one night for the first time in the Riccardi era... really dodged a bullet there. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-16-2007, 07:20 PM	#70
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Another A-bomb for A-Rod. They should have hit him.

08-07-2007, 08:04 PM	#71
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Does it really make sense to fnally hit A-Rod on the same night that Clemens is pitching? __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

08-07-2007, 08:18 PM	#72
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	So the Jays threw at A-Rod last night, and then hit him tonight, clearing the benches for a couple of half-hearted shoving matches. I don't get it. You had a chance to send a message last month and you didn't. Why now? Especially tonight, since Towers already faced A-Rod last time around. I know there were warnings last time, but this just seems like a case of picking your spot. P.S. Don't you wish you could bet on things like "If A-Rod was ever hit intentionally, he'd take a few steps to the mound but not actually charge"? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-07-2007, 08:27 PM	#75
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	And now Clemens drills Rios and gets tossed. Come on Roger, why not wait two months? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-07-2007, 08:52 PM	#76
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	one thing that cant be questioned. Roger will play the game the "right" way and he isnt scared to come in high and hard. I mean really, for the sake of your own players, don't bean him with a 72 year old steroid fueled rocket on the mound, it cant end good.

08-07-2007, 09:37 PM	#77
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Without a doubt, the only Yankee pitcher who protects his teammates.

08-08-2007, 05:43 AM	#79
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I thought because A-Rod had broken one of those unwritten rules, the Yankees were not suppose to retaliate. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

08-08-2007, 08:35 AM	#80
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	I can explain why the Blue Jays waited. Because they're pussies. The same reason they whined about the original incident in the first place. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

08-08-2007, 10:17 AM	#81
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	So when one pussy hits another pussy, what does that mean?

08-08-2007, 10:20 AM	#84
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: lol, dammit

08-08-2007, 11:00 AM	#88
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	I don't mind the original incident. I don't mind throwing at him in retaliation (although I agree it should have been done sooner.) And I don't mind Clemens paying that back. It's all baseball. I hate both ARod and (especially) Clemens, but don't have a problem with anything they did in this situation. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

08-08-2007, 01:02 PM	#90
SteveMax58 College Starter Join Date: Dec 2006	I think the Jays should just chant something like "Hey, batter, batter, batter...SWING!!!" next time he comes up. That'll teach him to force them into [falling for] bush league tactics.

08-09-2007, 12:19 PM	#92
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Heh, ESPN.com has a timeline of cheating in sports up right now. They actually included this in there. When you read the other entries, this one seems like such a far reach.

08-11-2007, 02:27 PM	#93
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I re-watched Major League 2 today. There's a scene where Willie Mays Hays tries to run-out a pop up to the 2B, and yells "I got it!" The 2B stops going for the ball, and Hays is safe. The team they're playing? The Blue Jays.

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