Trent Dilfer breathes a big sigh of relief - Page 2

st.cronin · 02-07-2006, 01:18 PM

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OK, where is all this evidence that Roth is a great leader. I don't see it. Even from their whole team the Steelers acknowledge Bettis as the leader and have already expressed concern in somebody taking that role. Hines Ward is said to be that guy.

As someone said on tv, Roth got on the right team. Yes he has skill...of course and sure he has a ring but come on. People are getting a little carried away here.

He's what, 24-4 as a starter or something, with similiar numbers in college. Did he luck onto the right college team as well?

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 01:18 PM

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Getting carried away? Any mention of Palmer is also an act of 'carried awayness' (

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Ok so they are even then!

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 01:19 PM

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Dan Marino is pond scum so forget that angle. I never liked that guy and always considered him overrated.

What?

Im searching for the definition of pond scum. I guess it has something to do with records and a hall of fame career.

Aside from Kitna, Palmer, Anderson, Klingler, Blake, and whomever else, who would think is BETTER than Palmer? Or, is he the second coming of QBs?

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

He's what, 24-4 as a starter or something, with similiar numbers in college. Did he luck onto the right college team as well?

Can't speak on college. Nobody is saying he's bad anyway.

Starting a team tomorrow who do you take?

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

What?

Im searching for the definition of pond scum. I guess it has something to do with records and a hall of fame career.

Aside from Kitna, Palmer, Anderson, Klingler, Blake, and whomever else, who would think is BETTER than Palmer? Or, is he the second coming of QBs?

I never said Palmer was better than Marino.

All I said is I hate Dan Marino.

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 01:22 PM

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Can't speak on college. Nobody is saying he's bad anyway.

Starting a team tomorrow who do you take?

I would committ to Ben and either eat my words or come out smelling like roses.

The guy is 23 and has lost 4 fricken games!

st.cronin · 02-07-2006, 01:23 PM

Actually he's 27-4 as a starter.

Starting a team tomorrow I take Brady, but Roethlisberger is real close. They're seen in similiar ways in that the success of their team somehow makes them 'underrated.' Both of them can make every throw on the field, are very athletic and mobile, and have demonstrated more than once that they are clutch.

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 01:23 PM

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I never said Palmer was better than Marino.

All I said is I hate Dan Marino.

why? Did you get a pair of isotoners for xmas once?

kidding. Seriously though, what makes you hate marino besides not winning a superbowl?

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Actually he's 27-4 as a starter.

Starting a team tomorrow I take Brady, but Roethlisberger is real close. They're seen in similiar ways in that the success of their team somehow makes them 'underrated.' Both of them can make every throw on the field, are very athletic and mobile, and have demonstrated more than once that they are clutch.

i know i wouldn't pick manning. I have grown to hate brady, and for that I would possibly pick him or ben.

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 01:26 PM

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I would committ to Ben and either eat my words or come out smelling like roses.

The guy is 23 and has lost 4 fricken games!

You do have to admit that he's in the perfect situation though and only has had to throw half as much as the majority of the other top guys.

Let me see him make 470-500 attempts in a season, keep up this pace and then I'm convinced.

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 01:30 PM

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You do have to admit that he's in the perfect situation though and only has had to throw half as much as the majority of the other top guys.

Let me see him make 470-500 attempts in a season, keep up this pace and then I'm convinced.

I will give you that. Ben hasn't had to do that, ever.

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 01:32 PM

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why? Did you get a pair of isotoners for xmas once?

kidding. Seriously though, what makes you hate marino besides not winning a superbowl?

I had it out with Tekneek on this one day about a year ago.

In short I think it's a gigantic cop out to say that Marino suffered because he had no running game.

First of all you really think Marino would allow a coach to take the ball out of his hands enough to run consistently? I doubt it. The guy's head was enormous and his ego hurt his team..IMO. Never once did he throw a bad pass. Constant yelling at everyone for fucking up. Guy never made a mistake.

I never considered him to be a good leader. Sure he's got all the numbers, the quick release and skill but all this pity for the guy because he never won the big one makes me sick. A lot of it was his own doing. His playoff record is shaky at best raw numbers wise. 24 post season interceptions in 18 games? 56% passer?

Anywho, flame away.

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 01:37 PM

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I had it out with Tekneek on this one day about a year ago.

In short I think it's a gigantic cop out to say that Marino suffered because he had no running game.

First of all you really think Marino would allow a coach to take the ball out of his hands enough to run consistently? I doubt it. The guy's head was enormous and his ego hurt his team..IMO. Never once did he throw a bad pass. Constant yelling at everyone for fucking up. Guy never made a mistake.

I never considered him to be a good leader. Sure he's got all the numbers, the quick release and skill but all this pity for the guy because he never won the big one makes me sick. A lot of it was his own doing. His playoff record is shaky at best raw numbers wise. 24 post season interceptions in 18 games? 56% passer?

Anywho, flame away.

ill take that. no flames from me.

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 01:39 PM

Oh and I was a suffering Pats fan sitting on a metal bench at Foxboro Stadium.

Desnudo · 02-07-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Actually he's 27-4 as a starter.

Starting a team tomorrow I take Brady, but Roethlisberger is real close. They're seen in similiar ways in that the success of their team somehow makes them 'underrated.' Both of them can make every throw on the field, are very athletic and mobile, and have demonstrated more than once that they are clutch.

I don't think it's close. Like Rkmsuf said, let him carry an offense rather than be a cog in a well oiled machine and we can talk. Starting a franchise today I'd take:

Brady
Palmer
Manning
McNabb
Roeth

Desnudo · 02-07-2006, 02:10 PM

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Oh and I was a suffering Pats fan sitting on a metal bench at Foxboro Stadium.

You haven't suffered until you've sat on a metal bench at Foxboro Stadium and had to watch a tractor pull.

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 02:13 PM

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You haven't suffered until you've sat on a metal bench at Foxboro Stadium and had to watch a tractor pull.

Point, winner.

Although the coldest I've ever been in life was at a 31-0 december pats win over Indy. I had on 4 trash bags and it felt like I was an ice cube.

The best was the jackass in our row that every game would start yelling "Push over! Push over!" if he wasn't exactly on his little sticker number on the metal bench.

Good times.

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 02:13 PM

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You haven't suffered until you've sat on a metal bench at Foxboro Stadium and had to watch a tractor pull.

i didn't know rednecks lived that far north

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 02:15 PM

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i didn't know rednecks lived that far north

I live in NH and yes I've been to a monster truck show.

One question...does it have to be THAT loud?

I all seriousness, during the state fair season, horse and tractor pulling are big events around MA, NH and ME.

Desnudo · 02-07-2006, 02:16 PM

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Point, winner.

Although the coldest I've ever been in life was at a 31-0 december pats win over Indy. I had on 4 trash bags and it felt like I was an ice cube.

The best was the jackass in our row that every game would start yelling "Push over! Push over!" if he wasn't exactly on his little sticker number on the metal bench.

Good times.

You know, if you'd let us know that you needed warm clothing for the winter, I'm sure we would have taken up a collection.

Desnudo · 02-07-2006, 02:17 PM

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i didn't know rednecks lived that far north

Western Mass has a lot of rednecks. Imagine a Masshole with a shotgun rack and bad attitude. The best of both worlds!

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

You know, if you'd let us know that you needed warm clothing for the winter, I'm sure we would have taken up a collection.

I thought my spiderman underoos, larry bird ball hugger shorts and my "who farted" t-shirt along with 4 trash bags would have been enough.

Hurst2112 · 02-07-2006, 02:18 PM

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I live in NH and yes I've been to a monster truck show.

One question...does it have to be THAT loud?

I all seriousness, during the state fair season, horse and tractor pulling are big events around MA, NH and ME.

course it does!

I was in a band that played at a tractor pull show. They drowned us out all night.

rkmsuf · 02-07-2006, 02:19 PM

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course it does!

I was in a band that played at a tractor pull show. They drowned us out all night.

That's too loud. I had to p*ssy out and get the ear plugs.

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