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I understand where you are coming from. I do however think in this particular situation it can lead to a lessor candidate getting the job just because they have better understanding of proper grammar. I do agree there is very little excuse for an incorrectly spelled word on a resume. That is pure laziness. The grammar checker is a whole different ball game though. It is not always correct with it's suggestions as it doesn't always properly identify what you were trying to say. If you don't understand the grammar rule in the first place then just blindly following Word's grammar checker can make for a pretty unreadable sentence. With that all being said I understand that employers generally have a ton of resumes to go through and they need to find a way to thin the field to even make it managable. If you have determined that someone who doesn't correctly place commas is likely to also not be a good employee then so be it. However I will say again that I know several people who are very good at their job who don't write well at all. Any company looking for C++ programmers would be making a mistake by passing on them because of a grammatical error in their resume. They might be the exception to the rule, but it still shows that it may not always be in your best interest to just dismiss someone from a mistake on their resume. |
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Same level? Sorry in my opinion I will never be on the same level as the so called civilized people of this nation. Because I am and never we be nothing in his/her eyes... if something goes missing they'll look at those who are like me before they look at someone like them. There is no same level instead they have found a new way to put burden on people. Its all in your mind now... they make you go to a 12 step brainwash camp called school in order to earn a piece of paper so you can get a job. This in my opinion is done to appease those who would protest had this not been availible.(sp?) Then to get a good job you must go to college where you must pay for the education but your not wealthly at all. So you get loans, grants to fund this goal/dream of yours then you finally have that degree. Now what? Your in debt and cant find a job because they dont see you as you are... you dont get hired and you need money. Looks like mental slavery to me. |
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/looks at noop's post above and nods with radii's post |
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It's obvious you don't even read before you hit quote. 1. I was speaking to noop. Maybe that's why I quoted him. 2. You can replace "Just another black kid" to "Just another piece of white trash", "Just another mexican", et cetera. Your red herring can take a hiatus. Obviously, this is a communication issue. |
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You're still in high school, aren't you? :) |
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Sadly yes. :( |
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I think this is an entirely different thread, as nothing you wrote about pertains to race whatsoever. That's more of a general attack on the structure of our society. |
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Well welcome to the real world. Everybody has to go through it. :D |
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noop, all I can say to your many posts is I'm sorry... sorry that you are so angry, sorry that you don't realize everyone must "play the game" to get a job, sorry that you see racism everywhere, even in well-meaning people, sorry that until you remove that chip on your shoulder, you will make your life a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure and embitterment while blaming your failures on others and never looking in the mirror... are some people racist? yes are most? no do all people hate conforming and "playing the game"? hell yes do most suck it up and do it, while trying to maintain some sense of self? yes that's all... Kevin |
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"Kserra - sorry that until you remove that chip on your shoulder, you will make your life a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure and embitterment while blaming your failures on others and never looking in the mirror..." I am the maker of my own problems. If I am poor I sure as hell am not going to say it is the white mans fault. It would be my fault because I chose to believe what I believe. I am not angry believe me I am not I am in awe of how people accept this... |
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Why is that sad? You haven't been expelled or anything... and, honestly, it doesn't get any easier for you. I'd be pretty happy if I were still in high school... well, except for the fact that I'm almost 30... I'd probably be embarassed... but, you know, high school chicks like older guys, so... Eh... I got nothing. |
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When you are in the real world for a few years, you'll understand. |
cthomer - noop and HFP are having a private convo that we aren't allowed to comment on for some reason.
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I realize that there is a racial overtone to this particular issue (with regard to speech), but really, this is no different than a white kid with long hair who wants to get a job in corporate America. Hell, look at the hippie guy from ESPN's Dream Job competition. You heard it straight from "The Man" representing ESPN - that's not the image ESPN wants to portray.
That's the bottom line. Black, white, green, or blue, we all have to change who we are in some respect to make ourselves as attractive as we can to those with the power to hire. I dress like an absolute slob when I'm not working, but I never bring that into the office, because if I did, I wouldn't be sitting in this particular office right now. That's just life, folks. |
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If you want to speak slang/street, that is fine. Don't blame other people, or society, when you don't get the opportunities that you think you deserve. We all make choices in life, and we have to live with the consequences, and most of them are nobody else's fault. *THAT* was his point. |
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Go to France and speak a poor form of French, that a lot of French people may have trouble understanding. Try to be successful with this. Do you think you will find success? I'd guess not. It's because you are not speaking the appropriate language for what you are trying to do. It's not unfair, it's a reality. You made the decision to not learn proper French before you got started. It is the same principle. If you can't speak clearly in the language used in that business, society, etc, you should not expect to have the same opportunity as someone who can. It gives you one extra hurdle that you have to clear. |
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Please spare me. Your taking it entirely wrong. Period. |
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And if you are equating talking slang in a business atmosphere to slavery then YOU are taking it entirely wrong. Period. Exclamation point. |
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Bah. Get buffed out and become an underwear model... won't matter how you speak at that point. |
ok, this topic is dead now.
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We need 1 more owner for WigFL.
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I was making an example. You are looking for something I am not going to give you. Period. Go back to making fun of Dean Houston. Period. |
WigFL isn't racist, like job interviews are.
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WigFL isn't racist, like the English language is.
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Just a note from one old FOFCer to a young FOFCer. You have you're whole life ahead of you. If you've decided at this young age that you're going to fail no matter what... guess what, you probably will. I'm only throwing this out there, because I had some crappy things earlier in life and it was pointed out to me that being your age is probably the best time to make good things happen. It doesnt get any easier as you get older. |
However, if you are a black man on a bicycle in the street as stevew walks home from work, don't be shocked if he runs away.
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Oh, ok... Just so you know, you posted this in the general discussion forum (not as a private message). You might want to double-check next time. |
He's not being racist, he's just scared to lose his $8 and pack of smokes.
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Your example was incredibly poor, deal with it. |
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Those are pretty high standards for someone who is speaking English as a Second Language and/or someone who was raised in an environment were "proper English" wasn't widely used. I'm a believer in teaching "proper English," but I also believe in tolerating and trying to understand those that don't. |
And don't be scared of solly, even though he looks exactly like Powder.
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I know I am not going to fail. I am just amazed by people's actions and what not. Believe me when I say I learn alot from these type of threads. I just don't like folks giving me sideway remarks. But thank you for the advice. |
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You attempt to bait me is worse than Sam Horn against a lefty. Noop, I wish I was asking these kind of questions when I was your age. At least you are being honest. When I went out into the "real world" I was more confused than you were. In fact, I was downright scared because my environment was always around my own people (am I allowed to say that Chubby?). But as the years went by, I realized you have to give a little to get a little. Everybody does whether you have long hair, piercing on every oriface, can't speak a lick of English or whatever. Is that fair? Probably not. But it is socially fair. The only way you are going to break the mold is to smash it with a sledgehammer and never look back. But don't let anyone ever tell you who you are. |
Did I not get the memo? Are we supposed to spell out the end of our sentences now question mark
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Do you have a copy of the memo? Well, I'll make sure you get a copy of the memo. |
spelling punctuation is racist.
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LOL. :D |
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Just as cthomer pointed, it is silly to post on a message board then turn around and say "I was talking to x!" that's all I was saying in that post you quoted. |
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Except that language/accent changes aren't as easy (especially for people learning a second language). |
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Alright, that was a low blow dude. |
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Do that and you will be fine. |
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Noop, everyone doesn't have a personal problem with you despite what you think. "much like everyone else here" yet you feel the need to call me out? w/e doesn't bother me. You want to continue on your "everyone is out to get me, I'm not changing anything I do cause nothing I do is wrong" routine then go ahead but people ARE going to tell you you're wrong. As has been stated before, not everyone is racist, not everyone is biased because of someone's age. |
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Arles - If two people come to you with a work project, one who talks in slang and one who articulates himself in a professional manner who are you more inclined to listen to more? |
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Are you implying that you should be more inclined to listen to the person who articulates themselves well? |
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But how many generations does it take for a language to stop being a secondary language and become a primary language? Yes, this may be difficult if you've grown up in a place where only another language or dialect has been used. I would think there would be countless examples of second generation Americans that have little or no accent; why is it that these differences persist? |
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Just so he knows, I am talking to Chubby! I didn't think I would have to state "I was talking to x!" since I turned around and quoted him. If I would have said "Just another piece of white trash" how does that make any sense to noop? I have been down that same road many years ago, I am just trying to hopefully give him directions to get him out of it. I don't give a damn what you think. Period. |
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