According to analysts, the combined Emotion Engine & Graphics Synthesizer chip for BC costs $27. Again, assinine move by Sony.

New game announcements coming from Capcom.

--Lost Planet in development for PS3.
--Street Fighter 4 currently in development.
--New IP (Dark Void) being developed.

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/gam...14115917309058

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163721

You know, it's funny that with as many Street Fighter releases as there have been... and with it starting so early on the SNES... they're technically only on Street Fighter 4. Giving the franchise so many named (Turbo, Super, Alpha, etc.) really makes it seem like this one should be called Street Figher 20 or something.

It could be a big month for the 360 going by the Canadian numbers:

(Multiply by 10 to get a decent estimate of USA totals, the two countries share similar tastes although Canada is normally a little more pro-Nintendo and obviously they love hockey games like nowhere else)

Xbox 360 = 51.2K
Nintendo DS = 45K
Wii = 42.9K
PSP = 22K
PS2 = 16.5K
PS3 = 15.6K
GBA = 8.6K

Software:

360 HALO 3 = 187K (135k, 27k, 25k for normal, legendary, collector's editions respectively)
360 NHL 08 = 54.5K
PS2 NHL 08 = 41.7K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE = 25K
PS3 NHL 08 = 20.8K
NDS BRAIN AGE 2 = 20.8K
WII METROID PRIME 3 = 16.4K
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR = 15K

Wii sales were up 25% from last month, 360 sales up 92%, PS3 sales up 22% (remember five weeks this month v. four last month)

If you were to apply this increases to US numbers, tomorrow we could see something like this:

360 = 531k
Wii = 505k
PS3 = 160k

Wii and 360 passing the half-million mark in a non-holiday month would be really impressive.

No pix plz, k, thx ;)

SI

The PS3 is a "luxury automobile" while the 360 is a Kia?

:rolleyes:

I actually had a smile on my face when I had read that. That's awesome.

This is just dumb.

I have enough trouble taking pictures of something I can properly SEE.

I think you're safe. ;)

This is quite possibly the worst post you've made in any of these threads.

I have to agree with you, Atocep. I'd compare the PS3 to a luxury van with a working bakery inside. It's nice-- but not what most of the customers want.

My point was that it definitely has some niche features that everyone doesn't want and that is one of their problems until the price comes down.

You disagree with my point that the PS3 has stuff that is a niche product or is not wanted by all consumers especially at the high price, while the 360 has some major quality issues? I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that. My automobile comparisons may not be to your liking, but that shouldn't distract from what the situations currently is in the market.

I should mention that my opinion of luxury automobiles may not be the same as yours. They're nice, but I'd never drop a dime on one as they are severely overpriced and not worth it IMO.

Sony cuts price of the 80 GB machine to $499 effective immediately. 40 GB PS3 to be sold for $399 starting Nov. 2nd...........

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aDU0grCHGfa0

If we're going to use analogies that irritate, you're going to have to add one thing to your original post. The PS3 is a luxury car, however, it was just announced that the width of the car is too wide for existing roads (no BC) and future roads will be wide enough but not built with any regularity.

Two more games announced by Capcom............

Ace Attorney: Apollo Justice - New rookie lawyer series with a cameo appearance from Phoenix Wright.

Wii Love Golf - Game much like Hot Shots Golf with motion control swing. Player can twist controller left or right to slice or fade.

You're making it blatently obvious that I should just make my point instead of shooting for comparisons. The branches of this tree could go on forever (and most likely will knowing the characters that haunt this board). :)

Based on sales, The Wii is like a Toyota Camry, the 360 is like a Honda Accord and the PS3 is like the Hyundai Veracruz. :D

The 360 and PS3 sales were identical worldwide after one year on the market, so I'm not sure the Accord comparison is valid. Perhaps the 360 is a Veracruz fully loaded (due to the amount of games available, while the PS3 is a Veracruz with standard options.

I dipped out of this thread for awhile, but is this even true? I don't remember the 360 sales being as low in the first year as the PS3 sales are right now.

Yes, it is absolutely true. Both the PS3 and the 360 had roughly 5.5M in sales worldwide after one year on the market (Even more interesting is that the Gamecube also had similar numbers after one year). There was just as many complaints about the lack of quality 360 games after 10-12 months as well. Obviously, the 360 saw a tremendous list of quality games come out in its second year and it has improved the image of that console from that standpoint. The PS3 is likely to see a similar boost with all of the major franchises due to be released next year.

Although, with the 360 it was the first of it's generation rather than the PS3 which is behind and many people have already made their "next generation" purchase..

*shrug*... I know I LOVE my PS2, but for christmas I'm planning on getting a 360. Sony has given me too many reasons not to buy the PS3.

But it should also be noted that the 360 was $100-200 lower in price than the PS3 when it was first released, yet they still sold at the same rate over the first year. Now that the price has dropped, it will be interesting to see how the second year booms compare.

I kind of agree with wade here.

Same here. Also, If they hadn't neutered the 40 GB version I would have asked the wife for it for Christmas, but 499 for the version that still supports BC is still 100 dollars more than I want to spend on any system and 100 more than I spent on a launch 360. I think some Sony apologists are underestimating how much removing BC will deter the big boom of sales on the 399 model.

Removing BC is like adding the price of a PS2 to the cost, if you don't want to render your games library obsolete.

Disagree with that. There's PS2's everywhere. Most will just keep their PS2 to play the games. I don't disagree that the removal of BC in the 40 GB wasn't a move I would have made, but stating that it will render your library obsolete is being over-dramatic.

If my PS2 breaks, it's not being overdramatic. Then my only remedy is to buy a PS2.

It's going to be interesting to see how the release of all the major PS3 franchise games next year is going to affect sales. They have been beaten to the punch by the 360 almost every step of the way, and it will take a monumental effort to get the PS3 into competitive shape.

$400 PS3 with BC would be tempting... without... blah

I do think that Metal Gear, GT5, and Final Fantasy will boost sales quite nicely. Metal Gear and FF have loyal fan bases that are all about gaming. With GT5, I'm not so sure. I don't know much about it, but I know that I stopped playing the series midway through the second game. No damage and the music was making me sleepy.

Agree about the old GT games. I'm glad that they're finally putting damage modelling into this version of the game. It's long overdue.

Then you can pick up a 60 GB used system for $450 and split the difference. A used 20 GB system is also still available as an option. You don't have much of a choice if you want to keep playing the PS2 games. A 360 does not have PS1/PS2 BC and has spotty Xbox BC.

that damn ps3 wont play xbox games either. the nerve

New info out from Famitsu. Report shows that 7 in 10 Wii owners in Japan are no longer playing their Wii. The delay of Super Smash Bros. Brawl likely won't help any.

http://games.ign.com/articles/827/827313p1.html

So what about all the 60's still in circulation? We had like 75 of 'em the last I checked at work. We're gonna sell those for the same price as the 80? Hm.

Yeah, but the Wii plays Turbo-Grafx! :)

the wii has perfect backwards compatibility with gamecube.

LOL.......somebody got all serious. I'm well aware of the Wii BC function. I own one, though I haven't played it in 3 months.

Price cuts in Canada for the PS3 announced. 80 GB machine gets a 24% price cut to 499CDN. 40 GB machine has already been announced and will be 399 CDN.

Right, and therefore Sony should be taking ADVANTAGE of this, rather than throwing it by the wayside. They have a huge core of PS2 fanboys out there (heck, I was one of them). Make it EASY for them to get a PS3 - you'd have the console wars won before it even started.

I have a dead PS2 sitting around the house. I'd love to have access to the PS2 games for my kids, but I find it hard to justify the $399 or $499 (with so many SKUs, I've completely lost track of how much this dang thing even costs). Strip out BC, and it's a complete lost cause.

Exactly. My PS2 broke this past year, so my new PS2 will probably last for years, but I still want BC in case my PS2 does break sooner than expected and that was a lot of value they took out to save 27 dollars. If they hadn't removed that from the 399 40 GB version, I'd almost certainly have one in the next few months. From reading the message board chatter, it doesn't sound like I'm alone in the view of holding off because of the lack of BC and not wanting to pay 500 for the 80 GB version.

Not wanting to spend the money is a perfectly legit reason not to buy yet. If you use PS2 games that much, you can get a new one for $99 or a used one for $70. Play that for another year and then revisit when the HD consoles are at a cheaper price point. You wouldn't be the only one doing that.

The main thing the BC removal has caused is increased demand for the 60 and 80 GB machines in the short term. Both are selling well in Europe and will likely do the same later this month in Japan and the U.S. Long term, we'll have to see what the new SKU will have built in it that will likely debut late this year or early next year to figure out what Sony will be doing next. Larger or smaller HDD? BC? USB ports available? Who knows.

And that's kind of a problem for me right now. With the 360, I can maybe expect a price cut, or different HDD sizes in the different SKUs. But with the PS3, I have no idea what they'll do for future SKUs, or if they'll change current SKUs, or if they'll drop them all and release another one with completely different options. I'm edging towards buying a 360 (if I do get another console at all), and the PS3 is just making me more uneasy to buy it.

Yeah, I think the days of one console are over, as much as I dislike it. Sony has 1 new model currently going through the FCC. The 360 has two new models currently in development. Reportedly, one of them may have a Wifi built into the system amongst other new features. Purchasers of either system run the risk of missing out on better packages down the road at this point. That's a given.

Edit: Forgot to mention the Wii, which may have a larger storage space built into future models according to recent reports. So they may have two SKU's as well.

Sony enters agreement with Toshiba to manufacture Cell and graphics chips. Should save Sony quite a bit of money........

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=29719

Actually, that wasn't the point. Microsoft is ADDING features to its new consoles and getting savings by cost reduction on existing parts. Sony is REMOVING features to reduce cost. Purchasers of a PS3 run the risk of missing out on important features unless they buy right now.

I agree. I haven't played mine except when I have people over for two months.

But you have to remember that people in japan rarely have people over to their places. So it's not surprising that Japanese people have a bigger abandon rate.

But the families in houses will keep the wii going strong.

Also, Nintendo's making money on each one sold-- unlike M$ and $ony.

I haven't played my Wii in about 30 minutes. I love several of the games I have. I didn't waste my money buying a PS3 (or 360 yet) because I knew I didn't like the type of games it has to offer.