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Fixing Fighting in NHL 2010: Fight Night on Ice

NHL 09 is the favorite to win my personal Game of the Year award at this point. Unless one of the NBA games comes and knocks it off next month (I’m looking at you 2K9), the race is already over. We can leave the argument for MLB 08: The Show for another time, but what we can’t debate is that no matter how impressive NHL 09 is in terms of gameplay and replayability, there is one thing that is missing. It is something that is one of the most popular aspects of all hockey video games, if not the sport of hockey as a whole. I am of course speaking about the lack of a fully immersive fighting mode. It is something that 09 is plagued by. I did however come up with the way to fix it.

Fighting in 09 begins with the player being prompted with an overlay of the “Fighting Controls,” which consist of a punch button, and then dodge and grab buttons that you never get to use because every fight lasts no more than two presses of the punch button. Apparently if the fight does not result in a one punch knockout, you have failed at video games. Don’t feel too bad if you fail though, because on the plus side, the programmers did include a health bar for both fighters; so you are encouraged when after one punch your opponent has a tenth of his health left. It should also be comforting for you to know that as long as you pull off the first punch in the fight, you win! This is due to an inability to combo punch, something that has been around in fights (and fighting games) since the theory of fighting was conceived.

The real problem with the lack of a proper fighting engine is that EA Canada has done almost everything else right, making the poor fighting controls stick out like a really attractive woman with no arms -- or if she had arms, then she had man-hands but she couldn’t throw a one-two combo punch to save her life.

Outside of the plethora of game modes (Be a Pro and the OS Freezers are things that will sap months of my life), the thing that everyone seems to agree on over the last two years when it comes to EA’s NHL franchise is just how fluid and well done the controls are. This is especially evident in the way the right analog stick controls the player’s hockey stick.

 


NHL 09 is addicting, getting a better fighting engine would just put it over the top.

For my money, there is no greater feeling of accomplishment in a sports game than when I have the puck on my stick and I score on a deadly toe-drag wrist shot high to the goalie's stick side. It is something that, when accomplished, makes you want to save the replay so you can relive it as many times as you bloody feel like. The feeling of "awesomeness" you experience every time you watch it, coupled with that tone I get in my head of, “I made that happen with my hands! I have hands of magic!" (I am pretty sure you don’t necessarily hear my voice or those words in your head, but you know exactly what I am referring to.) Either way, it makes all the difference.

It reminds me of the first time I blocked someone else's punch and landed a perfect counter-punch haymaker in Fight Night Round 3 -- another EA title which used the right stick to perfection. (It should be noted that a right-cross haymaker is the exact same move on the right thumbstick as the toe-drag wrist shot mentioned above.) Some of you see where I am going with this. EA has already given us a solid boxing game and has given us a hockey game missing only a really good fighting mini-game. Is it too much to ask that they give us Fight Night on Ice? Both games are made at the same studio after all.

Think about the possibility of Fight Night on Ice for a second as I explain the logistics. First off, I am mapping out the controls to the Xbox 360 controller, so for you PS3 guys, substitute the word “bumper” for the number one and the word “trigger” for the number two. With that out of the way, once a fight begins the controls will be essentially the same as Fight Night Round 3; with the modifier on the left trigger to change the left thumbstick from moving to dodging, and the right trigger toggling blocking while using the right thumbstick as your hands.

 


Come on EA, you nailed everything else..where's the realism in the fighting?

I have no problem with the occasional one-punch knockout, but with that said, your average fight should last somewhere between 20-45 seconds; enough time to keep the game moving along, but also enough time for both fighters to move around the ice a bit and let your EASHL teammates give you advice and cheer you on. The developers should keep the health bar for both players and still have functionality for the face buttons, although not all face buttons are needed at that point. All the controller scheme really needs would be the grab button that is currently on the right trigger in 09.

The fight can be initiated with the back (select) button. This would take care of the current debacle: having the fight button mapped to the Y (Triangle) button, which also happens to be the hook button. As of now, having fight and hook on the same button leads to the following scenario -- just ask anyone that has played a full 6-on-6 game on an Xbox 360.

It is the final minutes of the third period of a blowout game, so people on both teams decide the game is over at this point. The only real motivation now for the players on either side is to go for the “Bully Achievement” (a secret achievement for winning a fight against another player worth a whooping zero Gamerscore points!). Next thing you know, everyone but the goalies and the puck carrier begin to face each other and hammer on the fight/hook button, resulting in either a hooking penalty or two players looking at each other while hooking the air.

I think the achievement is worth zero points because the developers decided that no one should be allowed to get a sense of accomplishment for winning against another human when playing their broken fighting mini-game. (Although, they do give you 25 Gamerscore points for beating the computer in a fight, so I can only assume that the programmers wanted you to feel good about beating the CPU. Maybe they are masochists and they want us to punish them the only way we can after purchasing their game: by beating the crap out of the CPU!)

Bottom line, EA Canada just needs to give us Fight Night on Ice in NHL 2010 so the punishment can stop, and the real battles can begin.


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# 1 tabulaRasa @ 09/30/08 11:21 AM
They should focus on getting accurate calls for interference and fix the exploit move that is stick lifting . Itīs absurd when you meet players online that sticklift 250 times a game and get called once or twice.
 
# 2 mrnickyb @ 09/30/08 12:10 PM
Stupid article. Fighting is idiotic in real life. Why would we want to bring it to the game. It's the first thing I turn off in the options menu. It's a great Hockey game. If I want Fight Night I'll play Fight Night...
 
# 3 rellix1 @ 09/30/08 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mrnickyb
Stupid article. Fighting is idiotic in real life. Why would we want to bring it to the game. It's the first thing I turn off in the options menu. It's a great Hockey game. If I want Fight Night I'll play Fight Night...
Too bad fighting is part of hockey. Ever been to a game or seen one on TV?
 
# 4 roCCityroller @ 09/30/08 12:32 PM
agreed, fighting is a part of hockey and a part of hockey strategy. And it's going to stay because the fans love it and it puts people in the seats. You want a realistic game of hockey but you turn fighting? So, you only want semi-realistic hockey?
 
# 5 BIG CAROLINA @ 09/30/08 12:41 PM
Thats cool if they want to fix the fighting, i understand that it is a big part of hockey, but so are power plays and penalty kills. I would rather they fix penalties so that you have them on all levels of play.
 
# 6 roCCityroller @ 09/30/08 01:04 PM
This is just a suggestion for 2010. I don't know how you guys are bringing PP's into the situation?
 
# 7 adayinthelife @ 09/30/08 01:30 PM
the 'fight night' style of fighting would be a great addition to the game for sure.

personally i think the best fighting i've ever seen in a videogame was in that chronicles of riddick game on the original xbox. first person view, left trigger is your left hand, right trigger is your right hand and getting clocked in the face actually throws you off balance (i don't care how tough you are, getting punched in the face sucks).

it'd be great if they could do something like that perhaps..
 
# 8 welshman11 @ 09/30/08 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by baa7
Um, I've been watching hockey since Jacques Plante played for the Canadiens, and I also think fighting is ridiculous, both in real hockey and in hockey video games. And in case you didn't notice, it is slowly being pushed out of hockey.

On top of that, fighting in real hockey is borne out of emotion in the moment. So there's at least some merit or sense to it. But what's video hockey fighting borne out of? Some jacked-up video geek getting their jollies by playing "Punch the virtual person in the face!"

Whoopie, yeah, fun stuff. Really worth defending.

By slowly being pushed out of hockey...does that include the two fights in the last PRE-season game i saw

I think ideally people would like to see the enforcer role being played in the video game hockey as well. Other team takes a roughing liberty on Gagne - Cote comes back and fights other teams enforcer or person who roughed skilled player. Players rule the ice in real life in order to maintain stability in highly emotional and physical games. I'd love to see that in the game eventually.
 
# 9 roCCityroller @ 09/30/08 03:14 PM
Like Cote’s fight in the first period? The only pushing there was Cotelace pushing the dude off the ice.
 
# 10 welshman11 @ 09/30/08 03:18 PM
Not many NHL fights conclude in knockout blows like the videogame
 
# 11 Matt Diesel @ 09/30/08 03:26 PM
Why is fighting stupid in hockey? Some people say its stupid, but why is it stupid? Whats your reason?

It is a part of the game in the way that pitching inside on a hitter is to baseball or fouling hard someone driving the lane in basketball.

I could see if all of a sudden fighting wasnt in hockey and it just started.

Fighting in hockey is a checks and balances system amongst the players.

Some people like their sports to be represented in the highest fidelity possible. So if there is fighting in the real game of hockey, their absolutely should be fighting in the virtual representation. I think it is worth every bit defending. It is part of the game.
 
# 12 Matt Diesel @ 09/30/08 03:28 PM
Oh, yeah they need to fix the fighting engine. Rarely is anyone ever knocked out and their is hardly a clear winner all the time. Fix that and the open ice checking out of nowhere for no interference call and we are butter.
 
# 13 welshman11 @ 09/30/08 03:40 PM
are you calling me a neanderthal good sir!
 
# 14 LP @ 09/30/08 04:25 PM
As long as hockey players still fight, I want it in my game period. If somebody takes a shot at one of the Sedins, somebody better be dropping the gloves.
 
# 15 Stormyhog @ 09/30/08 09:09 PM
Fighting keeps the cheapshot artist's in check and they will think twice before going after the star players. Look back at the 80's Oilers if you tried to mess with Gretzky you had to deal with Semenko, Mcsorely and McClelland to name a few.
 
# 16 Roscosuper II @ 09/30/08 09:53 PM
Fighting in hockey is about the players policing themselves, especially at the pro level. And there's more to it than fighting. Players are held responsible for their actions, just ask Claude Lemieux. If you think there's cheap shots in hockey now, it would be insane with out fighting. One guy runs another into the boards, in return that guy gets hit low, etc etc and on and on. As for the people who say "ohhh fighting is stupid, wahh" they're probably people who would be to afraid to be in that position or people whose parents didn't hold them accountable for anything and resolved all their problems for them.
 
# 17 kenp86 @ 10/01/08 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by celtic78
id rather they fix the penalties stuff and the hitting being ridiculous even with power at 1.... even at zero its still a bit much...petr prucha can flatten everyone on the ice and still be skating around without any risk....
Agreed fighting needs to be re-done.. Its too easy.. 1-2 punches and its over... I also think they should add this idea into the game next year If you go after their star player(Ovechkin or Crosby or someone like that), pick a fight with the wrong person or to many times, or just plain injure someone; they should send thier toghest line out their with the big tought player and he should start goinf after you. Trying to pick a fight or just smashing you any chance they get.. That would be cool
 
# 18 savoie2006 @ 10/01/08 04:18 PM
I just feel it's the last aspect of the game that needs improved. While it would be nice if it really had an effect on team momentum and such. As it is though, it doesn't really mean anything in regards to the game, thus isn't that important to me.

I would rather see Teammate AI, Dynasty Depth, and other aspects of the game improved first.
 
# 19 Roscosuper II @ 10/01/08 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by baa7
Or they could be confident, intelligent adults who tell their kids and others that smacking someone in the face with your fist is juvenile, it resolves nothing, and it only brings you down to the other person's level. Honestly, that really could be it. And in my case, it is.
Well, in hockey it keeps the things from getting to out of hand. Honestly, it does. And I wish you would go watch something else and stop ruining hockey with this yuppie ideology.
 
# 20 LP @ 10/01/08 10:14 PM
No need to throw insults, or make assumptions about ones character. Why is it that people who don't agree on something can't have a decent discussion?
 

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