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OS Myths Case File #1: EA Football

As the previews for NCAA and Madden begin coming in this year there has been four common statements which have been treated as facts.  These statements have been said for years on end as well, with little to no fact-checking done on them. These common statements are usually taken as fact by users but there is no general consensus why they believe they are true.  So in the inaugural edition of the OS Myths, we are going to attempt to bust a few of the myths that surround the NCAA and Madden release this year.

Myth Case #1: NCAA uses a recycled Madden engine each year.

If there is one common statement on the forums which a lot of people tend to believe, this one is it. Upon some deeper digging, you will see how empty this case is.

The fact is, both games are developed in the same studio and last year, even used the same new technology in their games. Sometimes, features tend to migrate from Madden one year to NCAA the next year, but the same has happened on the flip-side as well, with Madden getting features that were in NCAA the year before.

The simple fact is, both games use very similar backbones which are developed independent from each other every year. However, NCAA does not use the same engine as Madden the year before.

The teams do share technology and ideas, but both games feel distinctly different to appeal to different audiences. The problem with this Myth is that it stems from faulty thinking and information from the early part of this decade, when the myth was still not true.

NCAA is not the same game as Madden the year before, and has not been that way any time in recent memory.

Status: A Total Myth

Myth Case #2: The man on the cover of Madden indicates the focus of the game each year.

This is something that a lot of users tend to believe as well, and this case does have some merit to it. The cover athlete has actually indicated a sort of focus a few of the recent years in Madden. Lets take a look at the evidence from the past 4 editions.

Vince Young (Madden 08) - The Weapons were the big addition to Madden in Madden 08. While Vince Young may be a good weapon, the tie in isn't 100%. The 'EA Marketing Machine' definitely spun it this way though. However, there were other additions and many of which tended to slow athletic QBs down. I'd say the direct tie-in wasn't really there for Madden 08.

Shaun Alexander (Madden 07)- Lead Blocker Control, Highlight Stick, Juking and Spinning...all things the quick and nimble Shaun Alexander is known for right? I think we can safely assume while some of the features are completely focused on the running game, you can really correlate 1:1 except in a very general sense and even then you are grasping a bit.

Donovan McNabb (Madden 06)- The QB Vision Cone and Superstar Mode both debuted in this year's title with mixed reactions. The link between McNabb as a QB with a QB specific feature being touted as the big addition makes this undeniable. The link was definitely in place for Madden 06.

Ray Lewis (Madden 2005)-This was the year of the defense in Madden with the hit-stick and all sorts of defensive enhancements. It is undeniable that Ray Lewis was chosen because of the focus of the development cycle for Madden 2005.  EA even said as such in several press releases and interviews for Madden 2005.

With the evidence in mind, there is one conclusion which you can derive from the facts at hand. This myth is grounded in reality, but EA has recently been moving away from this type of marketing practice in recent years. So with that in mind, this myth isn't 100% accurate anymore.

Status:
A Half-Truth

Myth Case #3: The EA Tiburon developers do not watch or care about football.

I have seen several users at several different sites around the web say that the people who develop Madden and NCAA do not even like or watch football after they were initially displeased with the first bits of info they got on the new editions of the games this year. While this case's point is an understandable complaint considering we still have nagging issues with the gameplay, it could not be farther from the truth.

Most of the guys who develop both Madden and NCAA are actually avid football fans, and the producers are usually the ones that are some of the most passionate. I can recall doing pieces over the years about how passionate some of these guys really are.

Also, do not forget that EA has on of the largest collections of Game Film around that is used to attempt to make the game as authentic as possible. While it could be easily argued they have not succeeded in that goal over the past couple of years, the fact remains they do have a huge collection of game film.

Now I am sure there are guys that probably don't have a clue about football, but they are also the guys that have the least important work to do.  Just know that the guys making the decisions do know and understand the game. 

So what of this myth? Well, I would refrain from launching personal verbal bombs at the EA Tiburon developers of this type.  Your better choice of ammo should be more along the lines of, "with all of your knowledge and resources, why do stupid bugs like the fumble glitch make it through the system?"

Status: An almost complete myth

Myth Case #4: EA is happy because Madden still sells millions of copies each year.

The problem with this is that consumers aren't voting for Madden anymore with their dollar. In fact, the game is no longer the #1 selling sports video game, as Madden's sales have fallen over the past couple of seasons.

There is no doubting that Madden on the next-gen consoles has been less than stellar, and the consumers have also been saying that is the case with the drop off in sales. EA would no doubt be happy if Madden's sales rose every year, as making more money is the obvious goal of any company.  Some will say that it doesn't Matter, as Madden is still selling a ton of copies each year so the profit is still there.

What people seem to fail to realize, is that for Madden to be extremely profitable, it HAS to sale a TON of units each year.  Not just a ton, but a TON. That's the double edged sword of exclusivity that is often overlooked, as you put more pressure on your projects to foot the bill of the licenses you have gobbled up. If Madden's sales continue to drop, the profit margins will as well, but more drastically than what people initially realize. The pressure is definitely on for the Madden team to produce.

So for EA to be happy, the sales must continue to rise or the exclusivity deal will be worthless. The pressure is also most definitely on internally for the Madden crew to produce this year, mostly because they cannot afford for the recent trend of declining sales to continue.

So for this year, EA definitely can't feel nice and cozy, it's win now..or else.

Status: A Myth, EA shouldn't be happy at this point.


Member Comments
# 1 Scott @ 04/28/08 05:26 PM
good article.
 
# 2 Stumbleweed @ 04/28/08 05:37 PM
In the article it stated that Madden is no longer the #1 selling sports game franchise. How is that even possible when football is by far America's #1 sport and there is only 1 licensed game?

What is the #1 selling sports game then? I assumed Madden was always #1 because of football's popularity as well as the fact that it releases on every system imaginable.
 
# 3 Scoop_Brady @ 04/28/08 06:28 PM
Very cool idea for an article. You missed a myth but I'm just assuming that you couldn't find proof that EA Sports is not the devil? JK, looking forward to NCAA and Madden this year.
 
# 4 CMH @ 04/28/08 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumbleweed
In the article it stated that Madden is no longer the #1 selling sports game franchise. How is that even possible when football is by far America's #1 sport and there is only 1 licensed game?

What is the #1 selling sports game then? I assumed Madden was always #1 because of football's popularity as well as the fact that it releases on every system imaginable.
We Americans are so naive. Games sell worldwide.

Football is definitely the number one sport. But it's not American Football. It's soccer/futbol.

FIFA sits number 1 as the top selling sports game.
 
# 5 RaychelSnr @ 04/28/08 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YankeePride
We Americans are so naive. Games sell worldwide.

Football is definitely the number one sport. But it's not American Football. It's soccer/futbol.

FIFA sits number 1 as the top selling sports game.
This fellow Yankee fan has stolen my thunder. FIFA actually outsold Madden last year, which really just means EA is home to the #1 and #2 best selling sports games. It's not like EA is going out of business anytime soon, but keeping Madden very profitable is going to take higher sales than the average game would because of the huge cost of exclusive licensing.
 
# 6 RaychelSnr @ 04/28/08 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stewaat
If they are such huge football fans why don't they have the intricacies (sp?) of the game included? Games like 2K basketball series have these awesome little touches which are non-existent in EA football games. Actually just have them start with huge gameplay issues (i.e. the battle in the trenches...which isn't there in EA football games).
I said these questions are valid one's to ask. The problem is that they do get so much wrong, but most likely they aren't trying to create a perfect sim. That's why Madden and NCAA are never going to make a lot of people happy because they are being developed for a much more casual audience. And the little things is something I have been screaming about for a couple of years now, doing that would create a much more immersive experience. EA claims they have done this for this year, I guess we'll find out if they are blowing smoke again or not
 
# 7 RogueHominid @ 04/28/08 07:03 PM
Passion and competence are not coextensive concepts, unfortunately.
 
# 8 muggins @ 04/28/08 07:07 PM
NCAA may not be the madden engine from the year before, but they definitely both shared the same debilitating difficulties last year.
 
# 9 Stumbleweed @ 04/28/08 07:08 PM
Thanks for the answer. I actually did think about worldwide figures as well, but I thought that the futbol vote would've been split between Winning Eleven and FIFA, leaving Madden's insane amounts of cross-platform sales in the US to reign supreme. Guess not -- the more you know.
 
# 10 RaychelSnr @ 04/28/08 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumbleweed
Thanks for the answer. I actually did think about worldwide figures as well, but I thought that the futbol vote would've been split between Winning Eleven and FIFA, leaving Madden's insane amounts of cross-platform sales in the US to reign supreme. Guess not -- the more you know.
According to sales figures, Pro Evolution sold 3.8M to FIFAs 5.7M. Madden barely trailed FIFA but, when rounded, the figure came in at 5.7M as well. So the difference isn't too huge for sure and if sales hadn't of slipped, Madden would still be easily #1
 
# 11 spankdatazz22 @ 04/28/08 07:43 PM
Can the title be changed to "Don't pick on Madden/NCAA"

MythBuster Case #1: NCAA uses a recycled Madden engine each year. - I think this is phrased incorrectly. Most people recognize the similarities between the titles and can come to the conclusion that many of the positives/negatives for the two titles are the same because they share the same base. But I don't think most people say NCAA is nothing but the previous year's version of Madden. I could be wrong, but I never thought that was the general perception. I think there's far more similarities between Madden/NCAA '08 than there was with say, Madden '04 (Michael Vick) & NCAA '04.

MythBuster Case #2: The man on the cover of Madden indicates the focus of the game each year. - Isn't it mostly truth? Especially the past 4-5 yrs? It's funny because you're saying the cover athlete didn't directly correlate with the new "feature" for that year, but in a way you're critiquing Tiburon's success at implementing whatever feature. I think it's easy to see what their intent was. You're trying to make a strictly literal connection with the year's feature and the cover athlete, but it's going to be hard to do because in part Tiburon hasn't done a good job implementing the feature for that year. Most of the features of the past 4-5yrs aren't really relevant today (vision cone, highlight stick, defensive enhancements people want undone (too many interceptions, DBs/LBs reacting to balls unrealistically, weapons, etc. Most of the features aren't significant features for Madden going forward, or it can be argued they shouldn't be). This year I think will be different though; I'm pretty sure the focus will be on presentation. I don't think Brett Favre will tie into any big feature

MythBuster Case #3: The EA Tiburon developers do not watch or care about football. - I'm sure they watch football as we all do. But there's a reason the game is in the state it's in, and it's not because gamers are making them go in the wrong direction/make bad choices. We're going on 4yrs into next gen and the football titles are still arguably lagging behind the current gen titles - which we were complaining about back then. Nobody's saying the game has to be a strict sim. But there are many fundamental football areas the game is really lacking.

MythBuster Case #4: EA is happy because Madden still sells millions of copies each year. - I'm sure EA would always want to sell more. But I guess you were trying to get at EA being "content" on what Madden currently is quality-wise. Hard to say. But I think they're making a mistake not improving the game from a football fundamentals standpoint, and seemingly reaching more towards making Madden more appealing to casual fans.
 
# 12 mercalnd @ 04/29/08 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMChrisS
According to sales figures, Pro Evolution sold 3.8M to FIFAs 5.7M. Madden barely trailed FIFA but, when rounded, the figure came in at 5.7M as well. So the difference isn't too huge for sure and if sales hadn't of slipped, Madden would still be easily #1
Let's not forget that those sales figures (they're the ones listed in the top 100 in sales for the year thread) only included North America and Europe. I haven't seen the worldwide figures anywhere but I can only guess that when you factor in the rest of the world, FIFA's sales lead increases dramatically. FIFA has been the best selling sports game by a wide margin for quite a while.
 
# 13 BlyGilmore @ 04/29/08 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMChrisS
According to sales figures, Pro Evolution sold 3.8M to FIFAs 5.7M. Madden barely trailed FIFA but, when rounded, the figure came in at 5.7M as well. So the difference isn't too huge for sure and if sales hadn't of slipped, Madden would still be easily #1
Yep. Madden actually sold less versions in 2008 than it did in 2007 so that accounts for the difference. And this year they're going to be heading into the year with an automatic sales drop (the few hundred thousand folks who bought the PC version).
 
# 14 Pared @ 04/29/08 12:37 PM
Great article.
 
# 15 BlackRome @ 05/03/08 11:46 AM
MythBuster Case #3: The EA Tiburon developers do not watch or care about football.

They must have never watched the Dallas Cowboys play at home because they always wear white at home. How do they explain the Cowboys wearing Blue uniforms at home.

The Cowboys only wear there Blue uniforms two- three times a year and it's always on the road.

If you allowed the Home team to pick there uniforms then the visitor as in previous editions of Madden this would not have been a problem.
 
# 16 CFav @ 05/03/08 03:02 PM
With the cover athlete stuff corresponding to new features so to speak, does that mean that since Favre is on the cover Madded will finally be recognized as overrated? Just saying....
 
# 17 CFav @ 05/03/08 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CFav
With the cover athlete stuff corresponding to new features so to speak, does that mean that since Favre is on the cover Madded will finally be recognized as overrated? Just saying....
^^^^I meant MADDEN, not Madded (obviously)...I haven't had coffee yet.
 
# 18 Matt Diesel @ 05/04/08 02:48 PM
total fanboy article
 
# 19 coogrfan @ 05/05/08 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRome
MythBuster Case #3: The EA Tiburon developers do not watch or care about football.

They must have never watched the Dallas Cowboys play at home because they always wear white at home. How do they explain the Cowboys wearing Blue uniforms at home.

The Cowboys only wear there Blue uniforms two- three times a year and it's always on the road.

If you allowed the Home team to pick there uniforms then the visitor as in previous editions of Madden this would not have been a problem.
I assume you mean online, since you can do that in offline games.
 
# 20 yamabushi @ 05/08/08 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CFav
With the cover athlete stuff corresponding to new features so to speak, does that mean that since Favre is on the cover Madded will finally be recognized as overrated? Just saying....
Hi-larious
 

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