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The Psychology of Sliders: How the Community is Changing NHL 17

Earlier this year in an Operation Sports feature titled, “Fact or Fiction: 2016 Sports Gaming Predictions,” I said “NHL 17 will be a sports game of the year candidate in a big way.” With Madden, The Show and NBA 2K showing relatively standard -- yet still very good -- improvements this year, NHL 17 arguably has made the most progress of any of the major sport titles for consoles; it’s a much improved and complete game this year compared to its predecessor.

One of the game’s deepest enhancements has been the expansion of available gameplay sliders. There are far more sliders available in this year’s edition compared to '16, and perusing the slider sub-forum on Operation Sports, I was curious as to how folks were handling this year’s new edition (bad pun) when it comes to adjusting gameplay.

The Methodology

I went through and combined four popular slider sets (to remain unnamed), and compiled the data below. But first, some notes about the collection process:

  • Penalties in all sets were maxed in the general settings at 4/4.
  • Shot aims were all manual.
  • If not listed, assume the game’s default setting (non-slider) for Full Sim/realism was used.
  • Anytime a range was given in a slider set, I took the average of that range.
  • If you see an asterisk in place of a percentage below, it’s because the number was trying to be divided by zero, which is impossible. I won’t spend too much time dissecting the data as you can do that for yourself. I will, however, explain what you are looking at in each table.
  • The data collected was taken as of mid-November.


First, each in-game slider section is broken down into its own table and properly titled. The four popular slider sets for NHL 17 are then listed across its own row. If a slider users CPU/Human differentials, they are separated with a slash showing CPU first.

Underneath the four slider-set rows is an average of those four for the same slider -- simple addition and division.

The area highlighted in teal is what the game uses for its default All-Star “Full Sim” settings. This is placed for easy comparison, as well as to interact with the last row.

The last row, highlighted in blue, is the net percentage difference (plus or minus) that the average of the community sliders are in comparison to the “Full Sim” game defaults. 100 percent would indicate an exact match, while a percentage higher than 100 percent indicates an increase from the default, and a percentage lower than 100 percent indicates a decrease from the default.

Breaking Down the Data

Of the 129 sliders (CPU+User) I tracked, just five slider averages remain at default "Full-Sim" All-Star:

  • Back Skating
  • CPU Pass Accuracy
  • CPU and User Preparedness (Checking)
  • Fight Difficulty


Many of the other sliders vary greatly from the defaults, and even from one another.

So what does all of this mean? Why do we see such differences in sets for the same exact game, and sets that vary so much from the default realism settings put forth by industry professionals? Wouldn’t this be similar to letting me (instructional designer) repair the Golden Gate bridge because I have a notion as to how it should be handled? Or letting me fly the plane I’m sitting on right now because I feel I have a better, more ideal route?

The Psychology of It All

I decided to get in touch with a dear friend of mine (and Operation Sports member) who is a psychologist. I asked him from a psychological standpoint, why we gamers take it upon ourselves to mess with sliders in the first place, immediately casting aside a team of programmers whom slider makers seemingly feel are not up to the task.

“Well it would largely be speculation, but although it depends on the individual, I think a lot of it has to do with what we get out of the game,” he wrote. “I think part of it is: There is a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment that comes with overcoming a challenge. If the game is too easy, then succeeding isn't satisfying; if it's too hard then then there's no success, which (if constant) provides no satisfaction. […] At some level I think video games can be appealing because they provide us (at least superficially) with an experience we either cannot have or aren't willing to put the work in to have.”

My friend cited playing a game like Guitar Hero as an example where instead of putting in the grueling work to actually learn how to play guitar, it’s far easier to just master the game.

“At the extremes, you have people who feel no sense of purpose or connection in the real world, and the sense of having those things in a fantasy is so appealing that it begins to feel more important than the real world. Generally you don't see this to a pathological degree with sports games as much as with RPGs (though there are documented cases with games like Football Manager),” he wrote. “So back to sliders: you have an obsession with getting the experience as close to ‘real’ as you can in order to maximize the sense of having that experience that you can't or won't have in real life.”

But don’t the programmers already want their realism setting to be the most realistic experience? And yet we see -- in extreme cases -- slider creators who quickly dismiss a professional programmer’s work and preach that their set is the ideal set never to be altered?

“Exactly. With hardcore realism types, this comes in conflict with the search for satisfying challenges as experience by mass audiences of casual gamers,” he said. “The hope of the game producer is to hook the player with that surge of excitement and accomplishment quickly. Think of some casual fan playing a demo: The hope of the game producer is to hook the player with that surge of excitement and accomplishment quickly. Think of some casual fan playing a demo: If they easily waltz through a defense untouched, it will be boring and not fun.”

But not all slider makers are the same. Some are more open to suggestions and recommend their sets be used as a base to work from. Speaking personally about my MLB The Show sliders, one of the premises I’ve used from day one was that a slider set should never be locked, as we gamers are always improving our gameplay. Like an annual review at your job, I’ve stressed that it’s important to compare your results against the stats being produced in-game (which don’t always match real life, by the way).

“I think the more mature gamers are pretty up front in calling their slider sets a ‘base’ from which they recommend others borrow and alter as they see fit,” he said. “Others will swear their slider sets are perfect replications of the sport and should be adopted wholesale. I think most on OS welcome the wisdom of the masses -- they welcome feedback from others. The OS community sets for FIFA are great examples.”

So what do we make of all of this? What are your thoughts on slider sets, how they vary from one another, and how they should be managed in your games? Are slider sets the wild goose chase they seem to be? Is finding a “perfect” slider set the Sasquatch of the gaming world? Or is it like a lot of things in life -- something we learn to balance and deal with, and not to lose more sleep over than it’s worth?


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# 21 superballs @ 12/05/16 04:06 PM
I started NHL17 on Full Sim/Pro.

I'm not that good, but man I almost never feel cheated or a victim of "ice tilt".

NHL 16 was probably the worst NHL game I've ever played. The AI just tac tac tac tac tape to tape like they were a hive-mind and put it in.

I stepped up my defensive play and got better but just felt like if I was an inch out of place it was a sure snipe from the slot.

In 17, it feels like things happen. I mean weird bounces that create insane tense moments, real scrambles for the puck, real fights and scrums against the board with three players stabbing at the puck like mad trying to poke it loose. The stick tie-ups create weird "somebody just get that already" moments, the passing around the offensive zone feels substantial and setting up in front of the net for a deflection with vision control feels so satisfying when you pull it off.

I've also noticed that a LOT of pucks go wide of the net. When watching hockey, I find that this is usually the cause of the relatively low number of shots on net. A lot of shots are taken, but only a few are actually shots on goal, most go over and wide.

Hitting the post is still a little too frequent, but not maddeninly so. In fact, I'd even venture so far as to say when a shot goes off the post, it's enough to make your heart stop in relief or in angst depending on what end of it you were on.

It's not perfect, but I really feel with the substantial stick checking and that "clogged slot" feeling I've never really gotten out of a hockey game, the sloppy, loose puck feeling that made me love NHL2k10 so much, and generally good AI (with exception) assisting you, this is my favorite NHL game since NHL10 and NHL2K10.
 
# 22 Armor and Sword @ 12/05/16 08:55 PM
I love sliders.

Everyone who knows me around here knows I am an old school Atari 2600/Intellivision kid. And I have played just about all of the console sports games throughout the last 36 years.


When sliders first became available for me to use I was really happy. And it was really simple for me. I play the game on default out of the box settings on my appropriate skill level and get a great feel for how the game plays both on my side and the CPU side. Once I have that feel and a nice sample size I simply ask myself what is the game not giving me that I want. I then turn some knobs and after a few weeks I pretty much am able to hone in the right tuning for my personal taste and what I want out of the game.

I then share it with the community and always....always tell everyone to use it as a base and tweak to your taste.

I also take it to a place of where I share my personal camera settings, the approach I take in playing the game and why and offer community members a way to play the game maybe a little differently than they have before to see if that ups the "simulation" factor for them. I develop my sliders playing the game in the "style" I play it. So I tend to think I am more a niche player slider guy.

I never over think it. I use more of a "feel and see" process then a science process to my sports video game settings and it works for me....and hopefully many members of our community.

But most of all the game has to be fun. Because that is the number one reason I play sports games. Pure fun, and enjoyment.
 
# 23 Fiddy @ 12/05/16 09:28 PM
Last year I settled on hardcore all star and superstar. No adjustments because of the slider glitches etc.

This year I haven't run into the glitches with the skating like last year and I have been having fun. Sticking to my forumula in my slider thread keeps the game semi default, but with some realistic elements.

I have found a happy medium this year.

I use my sliders on all star for home games and my sliders on superstar for road games.

Doing so gives me games where I can completely dominate and others where I get my butt handed to me. Good times.
 
# 24 robinson @ 12/10/16 05:53 PM
More options, more people happy.


Its good to have sliders because they can create so many different game play. As a lot of them are intertwined which each other.


I like the 0-100 better because even though its a lot more difficult to get sliders adjusted and finetuned. It allows more ways of creating the style you like personally.


We are still adjusting to get it better as we go along. What nice is to sample what the other good slider creators are using/sampling themselves to make your better or to find thing you wernt necessarily looking for at the time.


Still working on that wicked two way hockey slider set that's realistic and feels good like your on ice.
 
# 25 Mongo14 @ 12/10/16 09:12 PM
They just automatically reset to default for me
 
# 26 Mike Lowe @ 12/21/16 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay D
Just to reemphasize my point made in a probably TL;DR post, the bolded is why sliders nearly ruined my enjoyment of sports gaming. Once I quit searching for the elusive perfect representation, but stated playing and enjoying the competition of the games as they are, my enjoyment skyrocketed back to pre-slider days.

I'm not saying we should ditch sliders. But when I read threads about the game, it's pretty clear that the everlasting quest for perfect representation of a sport increases the negativity in the forums. And it does it by a lot. I used to consider messing with sliders like a puzzle game in itself.

The tools encourage many of us, and I'm including myself, to game with unrealistic expectations of what sports gaming is. We tweak and tweak, and our inability to find that last puzzle piece leads us to lash out at the developers who we begin to feel can not only not get the game right, but can't even create reasonable sliders.

The reason this is a shame is that if we step back and look at the history of sports games, this is an absolutely mind blowing great era of sports games. And instead of enjoying them, so much of our time is spent on improving them, and worse, slagging the developers that make these games.
Well said, sir.
 

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