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NBA 2K17 Gameplay Blog with Gameplay Director, Mike Wang
What’s up, 2K fans?! Mike Wang here to give you the scoop on some of the hotness our gameplay team has in store for you this year! I know a lot of news has already come out about some of the gameplay features for NBA 2K17 but hopefully this blog can give you a fuller picture of what to expect when you get your hands on the game and clear up some of the questions you might have. So let’s jump into it!
 
SKILLS MATTER
Each dev cycle we have a million things we want to accomplish on the gameplay front, but if I had to sum up the main goal for NBA 2K17 it would be this: MAKE THE SKILL OF THE GAMER MATTER.
 
 
One of the most noticeable applications of this idea is in the area of shooting. In NBA 2K17, ALL shots (with the exception of dunks) have a timing mechanism to them. Jump shots, layups, hooks, buzzerbeater pullups, even full court heaves. Our goal here was to engage the user in every shot attempt from beginning to end, rather than just have you guys kicking off animations and hoping for the best. Now I know what you’re thinking, “Layups? I have trouble hitting layups already, isn’t this just going to make it even harder for me?” The way layup timing has been implemented, the timing modifier acts primarily as a bonus to reward users who can master it but won’t punish you if you can’t do it or ignore the shot meter completely. So if you beat your defender and have a wide open lane or are finishing off a fastbreak layup with no one around, you’re not going to brick the shot even if you completely ignore the timing feature. The cool thing about layup timing, is it makes you feel like you actually have a chance to impact those tough and-1 contact shots in heavy traffic. So the more you practice, the more you can look like Kyrie finishing those ridiculous circus shots that he makes look so easy. And don’t worry, on the flipside the system is also tuned in such a way that prevents bad shot selection or chucking from half court from being a viable offensive strategy. You still have to take good shots with the right guys to be successful. 
 
Another feature we’re introducing to make shooting more of a skill is the idea of shot aiming. For perimeter jump shots, if you use the Pro Stick, you now need to pull straight down or push straight up (the latter if you want a bank shot.) Again, we didn’t want to make this addition overbearing for the average gamer, so you won’t be airballing shots left or right if you ignore the feature. But if you do pay attention to how close to 12 or 6 o’clock you move the Pro Stick, you will give yourself an extra boost to making those shots. So for those competitive gamers who want to maximize their shooting percentages, my advice is to migrate to the Pro Stick for those long range bombs. That doesn’t mean that Pro Stick jump shooters automatically have an advantage over Shot Button users however. It’s a risk/reward mechanic in that you actually might be hurting your shooting percentages if you’re inconsistent with how you move the Pro Stick, especially on the higher difficulty levels. So for a lot of guys, at least here in the office, they’ve been perfectly content shooting with the Shot Button. Personally, I only shoot with the Pro Stick and love the advantage I can gain when I do nail my aim.
 
 
Let’s talk about the shot meter as it’s been re-designed for NBA 2K17. This year, you want to fill the meter all the way up for ideal timing rather than stopping the meter half way. This makes it easier to get a sense of when to release the shot without having to stare at your player’s feet while he’s shooting. Also, the size of the meter will grow or shrink depending on the player’s shooting range. So if you have a large horseshoe shaped meter, the shot will be much easier to hit versus a short sliver of a meter. You’ll also notice a thin red circle around the meter when you’re standing in a player’s real life hotspot or a blue circle if you’re standing in a cold spot. Lastly, if you shoot with the Pro Stick, you’ll see a small white tick and colored arrow underneath the shot meter after you release the jumper. This arrow represents how far left or right you were off center when aiming your shot as I discussed above. If the arrow is way off to the left and you miss the shot, you’ll miss to the left.  If it’s off to the right and you miss, you’ll miss right. You can also turn on Shot Feedback and we’ll tell you (to the degree) how far off your aim was. If the arrow is green, you know you’re really close to perfect aim and you’re getting a boost to your shot chance. And one more thing I know a lot of you will be happy about, no more missed Green Lights!
 
One last thing I want to mention regarding shooting is the idea of evasive layups vs. strong layups. In the past, when you attempted layups, pretty much every shot went hard to the cup and there was a chance you’d draw a foul, finish through contact or get stopped. For NBA 2K17, we wanted to give you more control over how those outcomes play out. Moving the Pro Stick toward the basket will attempt a strong finish at the rim (similar to last year), but if you move the Pro Stick left or right for your attempt, you’ll perform a more evasive layup that’s really useful for avoiding contact with defenders and finishing with a much more conservative scoop shot or floater. Because these types of shots require a bit more touch, it’s really important to nail your timing when using the evade layups.
 
 
Ball handling is re-tooled for NBA 2K17 as well. Last year we introduced Signature Size-ups that included dozens of Iso animations for the top ball handlers in the league. This feature was well received as it let our fans create some great mixtape highlight plays off the dribble and raised the bar for signature style. One thing that bothered us though was that the Signature Size-ups didn’t have that 1-to-1 feel of chaining together moves that our past games had. You would input a single command and the ball handler would play out a long mocapped sequence all by himself. This year, we broke all of the Signature Size-ups into shorter combo moves that can be strung together based on user input. So for example, Steph Curry’s signature “between the legs to behind back combo” from last year is now performed by manually doing a between the legs cross directly into a behind the back move. The end result is a system that’s very robust, basically allowing the gamer to string together whatever sequence of moves he/she wants while still maintaining the beautiful motion captured sequences that our fans enjoyed in NBA 2K16. These combos can also be mixed and matched so you can equip your MyPLAYER with Steph’s Between the Legs combos, Jamal Crawford’s double behind the back, and Kyrie’s double cross if you want. The new system is much more engaging for the user, creates a wider skill gap in ball handling and really makes you feel like you’re breaking defenders down as you would in real life. We’ve also completely refreshed all of the driving Iso moves so you’ll be seeing a lot of fresh content there too.
 
The theme of gamer skill being a driver for our design doesn’t only affect offense, but extends to the defensive end of the floor as well.
 
First off, the steal system has been completely re-worked for NBA 2K17. The new system takes into account many more factors than before, including: the type of move the ball handler is in, how exposed or protected the ball is in relation to the defender, whether the ball handler is in open space vs. in a crowd, and of course, each players’ attributes. Skilled defenders can use real basketball principles to read the situation and time the steal attempt to get much more predictable results. The content for steals has also been completely refreshed so you’ll be seeing lots of nice knockaways, forced pickups, strips, etc. You can also use the Pro Stick on defense to steal the ball this year. So pressing toward the ball handler will attempt a dig steal (great for popping the ball out from a player in triple threat), away from the ball handler for a strip, or left/right for a left or right-handed swipe.
 
Blocks also received a nice makeover with tons of new content, better hand to ball collision detection and ball targeting recognition. If you’re controlling a rim protector, it feels better than ever to read the play and send those weak layup attempts into the stands. Weak blockers vs. great blockers are more accurately differentiated in the game now too.  Low vertical blocks were added to better represent the low-tier players with regards to vertical and athleticism.  There are also several subtle additions such as “give up” contests, those half-hearted close out blocks that players do in real life when severely out of position but don’t want the coach to bench them for lack of effort. You can even control those by half-pressing L2 or LT.
 
 
THE BEAUTY OF BASKETBALL
Usually when you spend a lot of time working on things like responsive controls and respecting the user’s input 100% of the time, it comes at the cost of visuals taking a hit. NBA 2K has always been known for its beautiful animation and lifelike movement. That’s something we never want to sacrifice. So it was very important to us that, even with the advancements in responsiveness and control, that NBA 2K17 animated even more smoothly than any past NBA game before it.
 
This is where our animation tech team stepped up to the plate. They spent a greater portion of the year analyzing our animation system, motion capture pipeline, and blending techniques and made some huge improvements in all areas. The first thing you’ll notice when you sit back and watch gameplay footage of NBA 2K17 is just how smooth everything looks. Our team worked heavily on a process we call pose match editing. They created a system that identifies and works to repair problematic animation transitions for thousands of animations in our game. We’re also now using a dynamic blending system that calculates the most ideal blend times for different parts of the body when transitioning from one animation to another in an effort to smooth out things like posture and back angle changes, facing pops, etc. while still maintaining the responsiveness that gameplay animations require. One of our engineers also created a new limb collision system that combines animation and a physical simulation to allow limbs to collide with other objects/players and react in a more natural and dynamic way. Sometimes you have to pause the game and watch a replay up close to appreciate just how amazing the tech is. We’ve seen players get wrapped up during rebounds, react to glancing collisions as players brush past each other and everything in between. It really brings the game to life and most of the time we can’t tell if the new limb collision system is at work or if we’re watching pure motion capture.
 
Last year we introduced the concept of situational motion. Instead of playing “normal movement,” we started to play contextual animations on offball players that made them look more appropriate to what was happening on the court. In year two, you’ll really see an explosion of content in our situational motion engine with tons of new get open animations, offball cuts, settle outs while spacing, etc. These special motion captured sequences are now fully integrated into all of our plays and freelance sets so that players are constantly moving around with intent. I think we’ve really raised the bar in terms of authenticity and lifelike movement in this area of the game, and coupled with the dramatic improvements to the animation system and the new blending tech, NBA 2K17 moves just as smooth as real life.
 
 
THE PHYSICALITY OF BASKETBALL
NBA Basketball is a slugfest at times and that’s something we wanted to incorporate better into our game. 
 
The post game received a huge makeover this year, and while back to basket post players might be a dying breed in today’s league, we’re happy how strong post play is in NBA 2K17. Post movement was completely redone and looks more organic than ever, while also improving in responsiveness. We now have much more lifelike backdowns, moves and cutoffs while banging down in the paint. We’re also introducing the shimmy hook this year along with the rest of the arsenal of post shots that you had before. So get ready to get your Dream Shake on.
 
One of my favorite upgrades in this year’s title has to be the play around the rim. We’ve added hundreds of new animations including ground and mid-air collision rebounds, tipped balls, new boxouts, swims, pulling the chair, putbacks, and the list goes on. Gone are the days when every rebound was caught clean off the rim. This year you’ll see guys knocking the ball out of each other’s hands, players coming down and wrestling the ball away, back taps, uncontrolled catch attempts and much more. NBA play around the rim is messy and that’s the feeling we wanted to bring with this year’s game. 
 
The logic for putbacks and the new dunk and layup tip ins that we’ve added make rebounding exciting as well. There’s nothing cooler than seeing a player jump up, attempt a putback layup, and then immediately pogo jump back up again to tip in his own putback miss. It makes for some of the coolest, and most natural, looking sequences our game has ever had and it feels really good to be able to tip the ball back in from just about any angle.
 
Another new feature we’re bringing to the table this year is our new offball collision system. In real life, making a cross court cut, walking your check down to the low block and flaring out to get open is not something that comes easy. There’s a lot of pushing and grabbing that makes moving around the court a lot of work. Whether you’re on offense or defense, high post or perimeter, you can now dictate offball play with our new offball collsions. Bigs walking their defender down into the low block will feel the struggle as they fight for position. Shooters working to get open as they run their baseline cuts can get bumped and chucked off course making it that much tougher to get a clean look on the perimeter. Offball post was overhauled with over 500 new animations to show the physicality that you see in the paint as bigs fight for position on the block. We think the new offball collisions will add a new dimension to MyCAREER as well as other player locked modes like MyPARK and Pro AM. Get ready to work for those buckets, guys.
 
 
We also spent a great deal of time working on collisions between the ball handler and the onball defender. Body ups and rides have much more natural interactions and do a better job at respecting the momentum and skills of the players involved. We really wanted to avoid “snatching” players into multi-actor animations that didn’t make sense and let the natural physics of the collisions play out as they would in real life. In fact, most of the time you see a ball handler reacting to contact in NBA 2K17, he’s not in a 2 player animation at all. And defensively, it was paramount that onball defensive movement was tight in order to not give the offense an unfair advantage in 1-on-1 situations. We’re very happy with where the meta game netted out this year as it feels really good to be able to read the ball handler and lock him up properly when you anticipate well. We’ve also provided a Body-Up Sensitivity slider for those who want to tweak how sticky or slippery the onball defender is when collisions occur. And one word of advice about the new body ups, don’t try barreling toward the basket in a straight line through the defense. It’s almost guaranteed to be a charge, lost ball, or picked up dribble. You have to take proper driving angles when going 1-on-1 in NBA 2K17.
 
Last note on physicality, we decided to re-design our fatigue and injury models to better replicate the rigors of playing in the NBA. This year, we’ve added a new short-term fatigue system that represents being winded when doing things that require a lot of physical exertion. Both the short term and long term fatigue levels are represented in the meter on the top side of the player indicator. A number of events will cause the meter to “jump” down or drain more quickly, such as: blocks, taking heavy contact, sprinting, dunking, etc. When your energy bottoms out, your long term fatigue starts to drain at a higher rate, you take a significant hit to several attributes and you lose the ability to sprint at full speed. Long term fatigue also works as a ceiling for short term fatigue, so the lower your long term fatigue level is, the less short term fatigue you have to work with. Additionally, the likelihood of injury increases if you consistently wear your player down so it’s important this year to pace yourself and not overwork your guys. As for the injury system itself, it’s been upgraded to support more body parts (23 in total) and more injury types (115 in all).  A new Wear and Tear system has also been added to accurately replicate a player’s physical progression through a game or season.  Body parts accumulate wear based on actual events taking place on the court – hard fouls, contact layups, out of control landings, etc. It’s a very deep injury model that definitely brings a new level of realism to the virtual hardwood.
 
MAKING THE GAME SMARTER
Artificial Intelligence is continually getting smarter with each new iteration of our game. Last year was the first year of the new Adaptive Coaching Engine (ACE) which we know all of you guys at #Simnation drooled over. In year two, ACE is smarter, stronger and sexier. On the offensive side, ACE now measures what is successful and uses that information to form its plan of attack. And with our industry leading freelance offensive system and authentic team-specific plays, the AI’s offensive attack is deadlier than ever. NBA 2K17 ships with over 30 unique freelance offenses so you’ll see each team running their real life sets and playbooks. ACE also features more game to game adjustments, specific to whether you’re within a season or in the midst of a playoff run.
 
The transition game has been rebuilt from scratch and now features players properly running their lanes, better spacing logic and intelligent transition 3’s. Speaking of 3’s, another aspect of the AI attack that’s greatly improved is the AI’s ability to hunt for the 3 ball. In past games, the AI would only fire long balls when they were given obvious opportunities, but now, you’ll have virtual Steph and Durant picking your defense apart as they probe the perimeter and attack with a shoot first mentality. It’s definitely something you’ll need to gameplan for when you play against the AI.
 
And speaking of game planning, the defensive side of the Adaptive Coaching Engine saw many improvements as well. Brand new team schemes, scoring patterns and formation recognition bring a new level of authenticity to NBA 2K17. And as the offensive transition AI has improved, so has the defense. AI defenders now intelligently identify the most dangerous threats and move to their assignments accordingly.
 
The playcalling mechanics have been upgraded for this year too. All plays now live on L1 or LB to make strategizing more consistent. When you initially press the button, you’ll immediately be presented with our new Smart Play wheel. From here you can select Quick Iso, Quick Post, 2K Smart Play (which chooses an appropriate play from the team’s playbook for the given lineup/context), and two new dynamic smart plays chosen by ACE. Quickly flicking the right stick will fire off one of those actions. If you want to drill deeper into the Simnation playbooks, you can press the action button of the player you want to run something for and select a quick play for that particular player or tab over to his normal play options. Playcalling is deeper than ever and is sure to satisfy even the stingiest X’s and O’s gurus out there.
 
During timeouts, ACE now features a new clipboard-esque interactive flow, the ability to construct your own gameplans and an enhanced coaching analysis that will drive much more intelligent decision making from your coaching staff. We’ve also recorded hundreds of audio lines for your assistant coach as he dynamically evaluates what’s working and what’s not working throughout the course of the game and rallies the troops in the timeout huddles. 
 
On the defensive side, one more thing I want to call out is the ability to switch matchups on the fly. If you’re not happy with the matchups that the game automatically generates for you, you can quickly swap them around without going into the pause menu to make sure you have your best defenders checking the biggest threats. This is available in both Play Now against the AI as well as the online modes. Pro AM crowd, this one’s for you! Gotta keep that Teammate Grade up!
 
 
OTHER MISCELLANOUS GOODIES
Here I’m going to just drop some little random nuggets of info about gameplay that you may find interesting:
 
- There are a number of passing/catching improvements which could fill up a whole new blog, but I’ll just list my faves…
  • Jump passes can now be triggered on demand (PS4 = SQUARE+CROSS, XB1 = X+A)
  • New fumbled catches that account for passing in traffic, receiver’s Hands rating, colliding with defenders in heavy traffic and other factors
  • You can perform alley-oops to players who are much further away from the rim and they’ll catch it and put up a shot (great for sideline inbound buzzerbeaters.) Also, you can alley-oop pass out of jump shots, layups and even other alley-oops. I’m expecting to see some hot Plays of the Week from you Park guys this year.
  • During a Give & Go, you can call for an alley-oop by pressing the Shot Button while holding the Pass Button
  • New Overhead Skip Pass mechanic lets you quickly target farther away teammates when multiple are in a line
  • Improved catch on point logic ensures that receivers catch passes on their desired spots rather than veering off in a bad direction
  • Customizable pass targeting sliders for Distance/Stick direction/Openness lets you configure directional passing exactly how you want it to behave
- Pump fake auto-fouls in the paint are gone. If you “do nothing” on the sticks as a defender, you won’t incur a shooting foul.
- MyCAREER player creation now features a new playing style feature. 
  • Choose from seven specific playing styles: Slasher (all positions), Shot Creator (PG/SG/SF), Sharpshooter (all positions), Playmaker (PG/SG/SF), Lockdown Defender (all positions), Glass Cleaner (SF/PF/C), Post Scorer (SF/PF/C)
  • Each archetype has its own unique badges (including an exclusive Hall of Fame badge), skill sets and specializations. 
  • The goal behind the new archetypes was to force gamers to make a choice when creating their characters. We’re really trying to individualize players in our online modes so not everyone ends up being the same 2 or 3 types of guys. So a lot of effort went into balancing and tuning all of the various archetype/position/height/weight/wingspan combinations (not an easy task). At the end of the day, though, we feel like each of the archetypes (and the multitude of iterations you can dream up) make for very compelling gameplay experiences, with totally different pros and cons, and each can add a unique value to the makeup of a team.
  • The Grand Badge is really cool too. Now, when a player performs well within his specialty (a Playmaker gets a lot of assists, a Post Scorer hits a few post fades, Glass Cleaner pulls down some boards, etc.) he gets “Grand Badge Hot.” That means that they unlock even stronger special abilities within their archetypes, as a red icon appears in the player indicator. I often play as a Sharpshooter and there’s no better feeling than getting a few open 3’s to drop, getting hot, and then being able to rattle off several more makes just like one of the Splash Brothers.
- A new user-controlled emote system allows you to customize your on-court celebrations and trigger them after big plays.
- The new Jump Shot Creator allows you to create an infinite variation of jump shot styles to ensure that your MyPLAYER’s jumper looks and feels exactly the way you want. The tool allows you to pick multiple release animations and a base and lets you control how those animations blend together. So it’s like the composited custom jump shots we had in the game a couple years ago but MUCH more customizable.
- We’ve added a cool free throw follow through branching system that you’ve probably seen in a few videos already. Basically, if a player puts up a low percentage free throw, you’ll see him lean back or step into the key trying to will the ball in. If it’s a high percentage shot, you’ll see him head back on defense early or hold his follow through. It’s a nice touch and adds more life to free throw shooting.
- We spent a lot of time converting our “under the hood tunables” into sliders, which now form the basis of our difficulty levels. What that means to the end user is that you now have much more control over how to customize the game through your own personal slider sets. You can see exactly what bumps we give the CPU and USER as you move through the different preset difficulty levels and then cater the sliders into your own Custom set to perfectly fit your preference for the game. As part of this exercise, we also greatly flattened out the boosts that the CPU was getting on Hall of Fame difficulty and have put more of a focus on making the game tougher through making the AI more intelligent in its decision making.
- Tapping the Pro Stick toward the hoop while in a stand dribble will play our new signature rhythm dribbles. Think of them as the slower in-place dribble sequences players use to, well, get in a rhythm before attacking off the bounce. They’re perfect for integrating into the new 1-to-1 Signature Size-Up combo system I mentioned above as well as lulling defenders to sleep before pulling up for a “J” or attacking with a hard first step.
 
CLOSING REMARKS
If you’re like me and too lazy to read long blogs, let me just summarize real quick.
 
NBA 2K17 is a game of skill. Our goal was to make the gameplay experience compelling in every aspect of on-court play and I’m proud of what the team was able to accomplish. I’ve had multiple people come up to me throughout development praising gameplay and telling me just how fun it is to play defense, how cool it feels to be able to master the game and show off their stick skills, and how accurate to real life the basketball looks. The game is much smarter, feels better in just about every way and moves/animates silky smooth in the process thanks to some very cool new tech. My hat’s off to each and every one of our gameplay engineers (the real rock stars of the show) and to the hardest working group of producers I could ask for.
 
 
And one last thing I wanted to mention before closing this thing up. I know we have a huge fanbase and everyone is looking for a different experience when they pickup NBA 2K. Even though skill and competitive gaming was a huge pillar for us this year, so was accessibility. We’ve re-tooled our difficulty levels so that ANYBODY can pick up the game and have fun right at the jump. Whether you’re looking for a game for your 8 year old to be able to just run around, shoot 3’s and dunk using 2 buttons or if you’re looking for a hardcore basketball sim, we have you covered. Also, if you’re relatively new to the series or even if you’re a 2K vet who wants to know everything there is to know about gameplay, make sure you check out 2KU. It’s been completely revamped with a comprehensive 2KU Tips Glossary showing all of the moves in the game with videos explaining how everything works and a brand new 2KU Game. The 2KU Game is awesome! You play an intra-squad scrimmage game with Team USA and tips get pushed to you through overlays/videos walking you through the ins and outs of 2K basketball. It even analyzes how you’re playing and pushes appropriate content to you based on your performance and what features you’re currently (or currently not) using. Coach K also chimes in with tons of basketball strategy level tips to help you understand the game from that perspective as well. So it’s a great way to both learn how to play 2K as well as to expand your understanding of the game of basketball.
 
I think that about covers the main gameplay stuff. I know you guys are going to love the game this year, and as always, we’ll all be glued to social media, Twitch, the forums, and just about everywhere else to gather your feedback and continue to refine the experience! See you on the virtual courts!
 
- Mike Wang, NBA 2K Gameplay Director

 


Member Comments
# 301 23 @ 09/01/16 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Beluba
I wouldn't use the word lit. Mostly because I don't use the word lit. It's a pretty good game though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LD2k
23, you heard it from Mike here 1st. It's lit.
He forgot to put

#NBA2K17
#THISISNOTAGAME
#NOLONGERJUSTFIRE
 
# 302 JazzMan @ 09/01/16 11:05 PM
Hey Mike,

I know All-Star Teamup isn't the most popular mode on 2k. But I'm hoping it's still in the game and got some love as well. One of me and my group's favorite modes to run since we typically get 6 to 10 people on 2k some nights.

Can we now select every classic team's starter at every position? I remember on 2k16 there was a lot of notable players on those classic teams left out of the mode, like Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, Steve Nash (Dallas), Shawn Marion, and guys like that.

Thanks in advance and keep up the good work man!

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
 
# 303 Speedy @ 09/01/16 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Beluba
It's confusing I know.

2 years ago, you picked a release and base and we blended those two animations to create a frankenstein jump shot.

Last year, you could only pick a single motion captured animation.

With the shot creator, you can pick two releases and set how much we blend toward one or the other. So for example...

this would be a perfect tween between 2 guys:
Kobe release = 50%
Steph release = 50%

this would mostly look like Kobe, but some of Steph's motion would be there:
Kobe = 80%
Steph = 20%

Then you pick a base (how the player jumps)

So essentially, you're frankenstein-ing 3 animations together. It's pretty cool tech. but basically, just play around with it until you get the jumper to look the way you want in the previewer. Then play around with it in practice mode to see if it feels right to you.

And you should note, the Shot Creator isn't instantly available in MyCAREER. It comes as a reward in the mode.


How I wish MLB: The Show would do this.
 
# 304 Rockie_Fresh88 @ 09/01/16 11:11 PM
Gotta unlock that shot creator .
 
# 305 23 @ 09/01/16 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dione2014
For all of those guys who were certain there was no rubberbanding (CPU attribute boosting) in 2K. I've always been around these forums and one person I specifically remember Saying along with a few others (who's names i don't recall) that there was no rubberbanding or attribute boost in 2K was a guy named 23. Well people there's the proof. I'm just glad they finally addressed the issue. I think it's safe to say that We all get a W in this instance. Nobody likes cheesy A.I.


Words of Mike Wang himself,

"we also greatly flattened out the boosts that the CPU was getting on Hall of Fame difficulty and have put more of a focus on making the game tougher through making the AI more intelligent in its decision making."

You're calling mike wang a liar?



So... I usually don't write books, but it's sad that this has to be repeated time and again every single year over and over to the same people

I'm sorry to tell you that your so called "gotcha" post with "proof" has failed, but yeah it failed.


I'm only going to say this once, and afterwards never call out my name again saying you have proof and you don't.

When people say "there is rubberband AI, there is comeback code"....

The specifically mean, when they get leads, they tend to lose them, specifically in the 2nd half of the game where their runs cool down, the other team (the AI) goes on its own run while they miss shots ,etc..

This applies to all modes.





FACT: THERE IS NOT one single line of code that says, okay now make the user miss everything and you the AI make everything. It simply doesn't exist.

The AI in the game is dumb, it knows nothing until there is something coded to tell it what to do. So Mike tried to let people know, as well as Da_Czar and many others, people who have seen the code, people who interact with those people to let you know that it doesn't happen.

What people like you do is ignore things like ACE, and the coach making adjustments on you, and when your same tactics stop working you start missing shots and get cold because the AI has countered. Sadly your ego can't take losing so naturally you blame the game/developer.






SECONDLY: Hall of Fame was made difficult for all of the years people kept coming here saying "the game is too easy, i got this handled I need a challenge" within a month of the games release.

That mode specifically is set to not have comeback AI, but to have the CPU take advantage of every mistake that you make. Basically your window of screwing up is shorter than any other mode, and there is your challenge.

The game is fine on other levels but you wanna be superheros who feel they have the game mastered in a week want to jump directly into HOF, then claim the game is a cheesefest to the rest of us.


Now, when you provide me evidence of the proof that this "comeback code"actually exists, and make the gameplay makers and engineers liars, then we will believe you.

What I see, you don't even understand what people mean when they say comeback or rubber band AI, and don't even realize they aren't even the same thing.

There is a lot of history on these forums that i'm sure you've missed, and may not even know where some of it started, so i'm just trying to help you.

 
# 306 Vast @ 09/01/16 11:25 PM
Quote:
We’re also now using a dynamic blending system that calculates the most ideal blend times for different parts of the body when transitioning from one animation to another in an effort to smooth out things like posture and back angle changes, facing pops, etc. while still maintaining the responsiveness that gameplay animations require. One of our engineers also created a new limb collision system that combines animation and a physical simulation to allow limbs to collide with other objects/players and react in a more natural and dynamic way. Sometimes you have to pause the game and watch a replay up close to appreciate just how amazing the tech is. We’ve seen players get wrapped up during rebounds, react to glancing collisions as players brush past each other and everything in between. It really brings the game to life and most of the time we can’t tell if the new limb collision system is at work or if we’re watching


I've been waiting for this my whole life. lol
 
# 307 Ball2Win3 @ 09/01/16 11:30 PM
I hope they keep all these improvements they have put into the game... Last year once they dumb down the game with one of the patches, because people were complaining it was too hard to score. It took the joy of the game away from me. And I barely played it after that.


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# 308 LorenzoDC @ 09/01/16 11:30 PM
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I've been waiting for this my whole life. lol
What, you're not going to miss players morphing through defenders for layups, the ball morphing through guys heads for another guy to get the rebound, and the occasional dislocated arm flying out of a socket and falling back into place during contact under the rim?

 
# 309 The 24th Letter @ 09/01/16 11:33 PM
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Yeah, whatever.

See you in the

"They HAVE to get rid of comeback code" thread in 3 months.
 
# 310 LorenzoDC @ 09/01/16 11:36 PM
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Yeah, whatever.

See you in the

"They HAVE to get rid of comeback code" thread in 3 months.
That's why I bookmarked this. Gonna have it ready, and spam it as necessary.

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As for the momentum thing, there's really nothing more I can say. It still doesn't exist. The only features that might manifest themselves as rubberbanding would be the hot/cold streak system (which has zero knowledge of time and score) and ACE. I think what happens with a lot of people is that they tend to let up when they have a big lead, or vice versa, tend to concentrate more when they're trailing. Executing poorly could lead to an increase in cold streaks while concentrating would tend toward hot. So you'd see runs in either direction there. ACE is, by nature, an adaptive system. So whether it's the offensive AI learning what's successful and continuing to exploit it, or the defensive AI adjusting to your gameplan and stopping you, that might also look like rubberbanding? Not sure what else to say. The only explicit rubberband code that was ever in 2K since I've been here is the Clutch Factor stuff from circa 2K5. But that was eliminated LONG ago.
 
# 311 Baebae32 @ 09/01/16 11:37 PM
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I won't derail the thread w/ any additional posts on this topic, but I take the non-answer on this to mean no. If true, very disappointing as it is a realism killer in my opinion for CPU offenses and as a result user defenses. The pick and roll/pop is an absolutely integral part of today's NBA and to have AI ballhandlers only be able to go in one direction in an on ball screen situation is a huge oversight. I'm actually very surprised more people here aren't concerned/interested about this with how many that consider themselves wanting a pure simulation experience.

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You arent the only one who was waiting to hear the answer to the question you proposed. Ball screen rejection is a lethal tactic in real life. Hopefully the AI will grow to the point where there is a tendency that dictates how often a guy rejects the screen.
 
# 312 Jrocc23 @ 09/01/16 11:44 PM
I am wondering if the canned foul animations was reworked or at least tuned down so it wouldn't happen as much. One of the very few issues I have w/ the gameplay.


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# 313 Vast @ 09/01/16 11:45 PM
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What, you're not going to miss players morphing through defenders for layups, the ball morphing through guys heads for another guy to get the rebound, and the occasional dislocated arm flying out of a socket and falling back into place during contact under the rim?

Haha not one bit. My biggest gripe was when my hand would go through the ball when i should've blocked it. Love these guys and how they are treating this game on the gameplay front.
 
# 314 23 @ 09/01/16 11:46 PM
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Yeah, whatever.

See you in the

"They HAVE to get rid of comeback code" thread in 3 months.
...and then I will ask for the actual CODE

Since I went to school for web design this year, I know a little about code.

So if they can't provide me with that, then pffft....
 
# 315 exposedaking @ 09/01/16 11:47 PM
Mr Wang,

Can we please have tv cycle cams back from previous games..it added so much more to the immersion.

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# 316 ProfessaPackMan @ 09/01/16 11:48 PM
Dre out here looking like OJ with that essay. Longest post I've seen my man type since I've been on OS.[emoji38]

You know the drill...spoiler that **** bruh lol jk
 
# 317 MarkWilliam @ 09/02/16 12:00 AM
Just if he sees this, thanks Mike Wang.

Amazing stuff.

Edit: Also for taking the time to answer all the questions. This is the stuff we LOVE about 2K.
 
# 318 MarkWilliam @ 09/02/16 12:07 AM
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That's a good question for Zach to answer. I don't know how many of his new post moves/shots are signature vs. packaged by player type. I have seen the AI use the post game quite a bit though. Young Shaq is a beast down there now.

We fixed post dunks this year too. So if you have a runt guarding a big down on the block, you can back him down and dunk pretty easily this year.
But do it QUICKLY because we KNOW OG got the AI help coming fast.....
 
# 319 Beluba @ 09/02/16 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by exposedaking
Mr Wang,

Can we please have tv cycle cams back from previous games..it added so much more to the immersion.

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Appreciate seeing this. I was so proud of myself when it first went in. Thought it would revolutionize sports games. But nobody cared and it died a quick death. Lol.

I can talk to presentation since I'm not really doing cameras much anymore. Maybe someone can add it next year.
 
# 320 Beluba @ 09/02/16 12:37 AM
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Hello Mike, I was just wondering..if you have to sprint+double tap to pull spin jumpers, how would jumpers like this work? Half rotate SS + shot button maybe?


Not sure if you can pull these off exactly like the vids. But if you get the right post engage (hold LT/L2) then pull off a shimmy shot (RT/R2+RS Away) you can get pretty close.
 


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