Reviewing the NFL Draft (Madden Edition)

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The pick which changes Madden the most is...

Kevin Groves: Philadelphia Eagles select North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz #2 overall. While the Eagles are still devoid of weapons, most notably wide receivers, it's the ripple effect that makes this the pick that most changes Madden. As soon as Wentz was selected, the rumblings from Sam Bradford's camp emerged. Not only did they re-sign Bradford to a two-year deal, but they gave career backup Chase Daniel a large contract for a backup. With three large QB contracts on the books, I'd imagine one of them will be moved before the summer.

Ben Vollmer: Kevin makes a great point. Wentz may be the only pick in the draft that could have an impact on an entire NFL roster. Looking a little deeper, I think Ezekiel Elliot has the size and speed to give the Cowboys the punch they'll need to win a weaker NFC East this year. Losing out on Murray left a running-back sized hole in their roster, and taking a chance on Elliot could make or break their season.

Chris Sanner: In terms of Madden -- very few picks in the first round are going to impact the core game THAT much this year. Assuming Bradford is the starter in Philly, Wentz will be seeing a lot of bench time, and Jared Goff isn't exactly going to change how you approach playing as the Rams. Ezekiel Elliott is a solid addition to Dallas -- and may be the biggest impact player given the Cowboys probably should rebound and be much better than 4-12 this year. I'm going to go a little off the beaten path and raise the possibility that you may find yourself enjoying rushing the passer with DeForest Buckner in San Francisco this year more than any other rookie experience.

Which team had the best draft?

Kevin Groves: The Jacksonville Jaguars are easily the sexy pick among football experts right now. While the offense had a resurgence in 2015 behind Blake Bortles and his young, talented wide receiver corp, it's their defense that needed upgrades across the board. Jalen Ramsey should be an immediate impact player at either corner or safety. As a Noles fan, I was enamored with his measurables despite inconsistent technique. If he can get that cleaned up, he could be mainstay in a defense that will also feature a now-healthy Dante Fowler (last year's third overall pick).

Ben Vollmer: There is little doubt the Jaguars had the best overall draft as they got two of the most respected defenders in the class. For a team that's already stocked with young talent, the Jaguars could be a popular pick for this year's Madden franchise. I also really like the Titans' draft. They traded down from the first overall pick (knowing they already had a future star in Mariota at QB), and got really nice value in both Conklin and Henry.

Chris Sanner: Jacksonville is everyone's pick, but Minnesota and Cincinnati both had good drafts as well with plenty of future starters potentially within the draft. The Vikings, in particular, filled a big need on offense with Laquon Treadwell, and Mackensie Alexander may be an immediate contributor on defense. And then there was the intriguing pick of German WR Moritz Boehringer, who is the first European player who didn't play NCAA Football drafted in the NFL.

Which team had the worst draft?

Kevin Groves: I'd say it's a toss-up right now between the Cowboys and the Jets. I think Ezekiel Elliot is going to be a good running back, but if you look at McFadden's production from last year and prorate it for actual snaps, you'll see he quietly had a solid season despite terrible QB play and a lack of big-play ability at the WR spot due to Dez Bryant's absence. With the #4 pick, I expected them to fill some holes on a defense that forced the lowest number of turnovers in NFL history. I believe the Jets reached in the second round with QB Christian Hackenberg. When the talent around him diminished after his freshman year, he noticeably regressed. Scouts were no doubt enamored with his strong arm, but his accuracy and pass completion percentage were far below average.

Ben Vollmer: Even as an Eagles fan, I really wonder if this was the year to move up and grab your "quarterback of the future." Wentz is going to be a question mark until we see him on the field, and even if he does turn into a stud, the Eagles gave up a LOT to get him. What will be really interesting to see is whether or not they deal Bradford to regain some of the value they lost. Past the Wentz pick, the Eagles are going to be looking for a running back, and Smallwood may be nothing more than a supplementary piece.

Chris Sanner: Philadelphia undoubtedly had the worst draft in my mind. They gave up a ton of future potential to grab Wentz, and they may be rewarded with losing Bradford in the process as well. Wentz has plenty of question marks around him as well. Draft day is about making your team better, and I'm not sure you can't just say Philadelphia is worse-off after the 2016 draft.

The pick we'll look back on in five years and consider it an absolute steal in value will be...

Kevin Groves: Despite major concerns about his knee, I truly believe that Myles Jack will make an instant impact once he takes the field. Equally stout against the run, rushing the pass and in coverage, Jack is the prototypical modern-day linebacker. With offenses utilizing space more now than ever, the need for special athletes on the defensive side of the ball is vital. If healthy, Jack will live up to the pre-injury hype that had him as a "can't miss prospect."

Ben Vollmer: Even with the concerns of past Alabama running backs having issues in the NFL, I don't think we've seen anything akin to the size and power of Derrick Henry in the last decade or so. Stopping him will be an absolute pain for defenses across the NFL.

Chris Sanner: Let me echo what Ben said. I've always been impressed with Derrick Henry's speed, size and strength. More than any other Alabama RB in the last decade, Henry is a physical specimen who presents problems for NFL defenses. Outside of that, Corey Coleman for the Browns and Laquon Treadwell for the Vikings are both huge future targets for their NFL QBs.

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# 21 GoJags904 @ 05/05/16 02:05 PM

I think my Jags had the best draft, madden or not. Madden ratings only though, I think its the Jags and the Cowboys. With Romo being an above average QB and them having a superstar WR, Elliot was a great "Madden" pickup.

This Cowboys fan in the thread is using his bias to formulate his argument for Elliot. A team that has needs on D, and I mean pressing needs, doesnt go RB at 4. If you value a starting RB at 4 with a QB that may not last more than 2 or 3 years, hopefully more, that's one strike. THEN you have a Defense that has holes on the DL and needs depth at LB, CB, and not really S but you could've had a one in a lifetime player on D to help compliment your superstar on O in Ramsey. Jaylon was going to be taken by the Patriots so i'll give that a pass assuming you guys dont need a MLB or an OLB immediately and have starters you believe in that can take you to a SB if Elliot works out. Lastly you then took Dak because Jerry overdrafted Jaylon instead of trading something to get Connor Cook after missing Paxton. So if Romo is hurt again then you will have the same problems as last year.

Just FYI, the Jags needed a RB more than you guys did and passed on Gurley instead of trading back to get him and picking up more picks, we instead got Fowler to fill ONE hole on the DL. That's also why we went Defense heavy this year as well because we still needed more than one Defensive player to fix the D. We got Yeldon in the second and are plenty happy because we had NOTHING at RB. You seem just as, if not more excited than we were last year for Elliot and you already had decent quality at the position and passed on the best healthy Defenders in the draft .

If the fans support this madness from Jerry, then I guess I understand why he thinks its acceptable to stay in charge of everything and hold the organization back.

# 22 BB_Dynasty @ 05/05/16 02:47 PM

For Madden? No question the Cowboys had the best draft. Elliot is going to be a Madden beast and Jaylon Smith won't be hurt in the video game and will also be a insane player to use in the game.

Both in reality and in Madden I think the Bills had a fantastic draft. For Madden I think Shaq Lawson will be an absolute monster at LOLB/LE. Reggie Ragland will be frustrating with his lack of speed, but will make up for it with insane hit power I imagine.Cardale Jones is everything you want in a Madden QB, huge arm and decent mobility (I can still get down with EJ Manuel for these reasons, despite his awful accuracy ratings). One of their last picks will be unstoppable with his speed, Kolby Listenbee.

I'm stoked to use them in CFM as well.

# 23 Dwaresacksqb @ 05/05/16 03:45 PM

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	For Madden? No question the Cowboys had the best draft. Elliot is going to be a Madden beast and Jaylon Smith won't be hurt in the video game and will also be a insane player to use in the game. Both in reality and in Madden I think the Bills had a fantastic draft. For Madden I think Shaq Lawson will be an absolute monster at LOLB/LE. Reggie Ragland will be frustrating with his lack of speed, but will make up for it with insane hit power I imagine.Cardale Jones is everything you want in a Madden QB, huge arm and decent mobility (I can still get down with EJ Manuel for these reasons, despite his awful accuracy ratings). One of their last picks will be unstoppable with his speed, Kolby Listenbee. I'm stoked to use them in CFM as well.

I like what the Bills did as well. I was high on both Cardale Jones and Dak Prescott in the 4th round. But PLEASE Madden. Drop the xp system for the love of god. I would love to develop Dak behind Romo but as it stands now with the xp system. That would be impossible for me to do unless Romo retired. That's not how the NFL works. Dak should develop somewhat while sitting a few years behind Romo. Please oh please fix this issue in Madden 17. It was the first thing I thought about when Dallas drafted Dak and I thought about using him in Madden. My smile turned into a frown quickly.

# 24 Dwaresacksqb @ 05/05/16 03:55 PM

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	I think my Jags had the best draft, madden or not. Madden ratings only though, I think its the Jags and the Cowboys. With Romo being an above average QB and them having a superstar WR, Elliot was a great "Madden" pickup. This Cowboys fan in the thread is using his bias to formulate his argument for Elliot. A team that has needs on D, and I mean pressing needs, doesnt go RB at 4. If you value a starting RB at 4 with a QB that may not last more than 2 or 3 years, hopefully more, that's one strike. THEN you have a Defense that has holes on the DL and needs depth at LB, CB, and not really S but you could've had a one in a lifetime player on D to help compliment your superstar on O in Ramsey. Jaylon was going to be taken by the Patriots so i'll give that a pass assuming you guys dont need a MLB or an OLB immediately and have starters you believe in that can take you to a SB if Elliot works out. Lastly you then took Dak because Jerry overdrafted Jaylon instead of trading something to get Connor Cook after missing Paxton. So if Romo is hurt again then you will have the same problems as last year. Just FYI, the Jags needed a RB more than you guys did and passed on Gurley instead of trading back to get him and picking up more picks, we instead got Fowler to fill ONE hole on the DL. That's also why we went Defense heavy this year as well because we still needed more than one Defensive player to fix the D. We got Yeldon in the second and are plenty happy because we had NOTHING at RB. You seem just as, if not more excited than we were last year for Elliot and you already had decent quality at the position and passed on the best healthy Defenders in the draft . If the fans support this madness from Jerry, then I guess I understand why he thinks its acceptable to stay in charge of everything and hold the organization back.

After the first 4 games of the season dallas has Gregory Thornton, Crawford and Lawrence on the line. That's pretty good. Gregory still has to prove it but he has the potential. The problem with thinking that Dallas took a RB to early is thinking Dallas values the running back the same as other teams. That's not the case. Who cares how other teams and people value the RB. We are not built like them and we do not play like them. It's like saying why did a 3-4 defense draft that big defensive end who is to slow to take the edge. My team runs a 4-3 and we don't value that player so neither should they. See what I mean. As far as how bad our defense is believed to be as a whole. It's wrong to gauge their talent based off of last season. We were decimated on offense and continued to give them 3 and outs. Also Scandic was hurt all year. Instead people should gauge how talented they are based off of what Dallas can do on offense when healthy. Because we were pretty good and SECOND in turnovers. We also had a dominant running back then in 2014. Well guess what. We drafted one who could be potentially better. So please do not gauge our D based off of last year. That is not doing us justice at all and is completely unfair. A better barometer would be the team we fielded in 2014. The players haven't changed since. We actually have drafted and signed help since then. So if anything we might be better than that 2014 defense. That's all man. I just ask for fairness and the ability to keep an open mind.

Did I mention Dallas was 12-4 in 2014? And we only added players that can help on D since then... and we possibly upgraded our running back in Elliot from Murray... So stop looking at Dallas like omg they don't know what they are doing and Jerry is sooo stupid why would you defend his crap based off a season where we lost Murray in FA lost our Franchise qb and lost Dez for a chunk of the year and was never fully healthy. Oh and we lost our best corner for the season before it even started. Look the Jags did good this year it looks like. But Dallas has been building a pretty good team lately as well. The Jerry Hate is Real

What position on a team (other than possibly QB) who likes to play smash mouth football pounding the rock up and down the field, controlling the clock and already has a great oline to get the push up front to help open holes, do you think they value the most? If you said Running back you would be correct. So if that team has only a 29 year old injury prone running back who after like 8 seasons had one good year behind your oline, do you believe they should look to upgrade immediately? Guess what, we had the number four pick and a top 5 overall prospect of the draft who many consider to be the best to come out since AP sitting there. We took him. Jerry is so dumb though and fans need to wake up, I know.

You saying Romo is only above average though shows your lack of respect for what he has done and the records he has set in not only the Cowboys organization but also in the NFL. it was never more evident than last year that Romo has worked with less his whole career. We won 1 game without him... 1. Guess what we were on pace for with Romo in the lineup.. 12-4. Yeah I know what you're thinking. That's what an above average QB can do for that team right lol. This is a team sport so quite honestly you loss all credibility. You couldn't have been talking about Romo in Madden either because he is always around 90 overall and have seen him reach 94 or 95 in the past.

Tony Romo set two all time NFL records. Surpassing the likes of Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Kurt Warner etc. Tony Romo now holds the records for most completions in 100 starts (2,276) and yards, (27,747).

Yup looks above average to me..

# 25 Dr Death @ 05/05/16 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwaresacksqb


	Tony Romo set two all time NFL records. Surpassing the likes of Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Kurt Warner etc. Tony Romo now holds the records for most completions in 100 starts (2,276) and yards, (27,747). Yup looks above average to me..

Not trying to get in the argument you are having with whoever, but I've got some sad news for you... regular season stats are only one part of the equation. And in today's NFL, where you can't touch the receivers or the QB, and where passing dominates, just you watch, sometime in the next five years someone will break Romo's records.

You want to talk about what determines a great QB vs an "above average" one... delivering in the clutch. And Romo has N-E-V-E-R been confused as a clutch guy. Case in point...

Career play-off record: 2-4 {And one of those wins is highly controversial}

Taken from Wikipedia:

On the Lions' ensuing possession, the most controversial play of the game occurred. Stafford threw a pass intended for tight end Brandon Pettigrew who was being covered by Cowboys rookie linebacker Anthony Hitchens. Hitchens held Pettigrew's jersey before knocking him down as the pass fell incomplete.^[7]^[8]^[9] Back judge Lee Dyer threw a flag for defensive pass interference. After referee Pete Morelli announced the penalty, head linesman Jerry Bergman determined that Hitchens' actions did not warrant a penalty.^[10] Morelli then announced there was no foul on the play and the flag was picked up.^[11]^[12] The decision to change the initial call received significant media attention after the game and was widely decried as incorrect.^[7]^[10]^[13]^[14] NFL Vice President of Officiating, Dean Blandino stated that the non-call on pass interference was debatable, but holding definitely should have been called on the play.

Now when the VP of Officiating comes out and says a call was missed, that's bad. But back to Romo and I'm going to compare him to three guys from the past, not the present, because the rules today make it too easy.

The three guys from the past are:

Roger Staubach

Kenny Stabler

Joe Montana

Career post-season records:

Staubach: 11-6 {2 Super Bowl wins}

Stabler: 7-5 {1 Super Bowl win}

Montana: 16-7 {4 Super Bowl wins}

The other thing about these three guys is all of them played in some of the most memorable and greatest games in NFL history. Staubach had the 1972 play-off game at San Francisco, where the Cowboys trailed 13-28 in the 4th quarter, but he led them to 17 points, throwing 2 TD passes, and won the game 30-28.

Or the Hail Mary game. Being a Cowboy fan, I'm sure you know this one. The funny thing about that game is the most memorable play came BEFORE the Hail Mary. Facing 4th and 16, Staubach hit Pearson on the sideline for a first down... this is the play that set up the Hail Mary.

Snake Stabler played in the most games with names... The Immaculate Reception {his 30 yard TD run set up the Steeler TD}, The Sea Of Hands, The Ghost To The Post and The Holy Roller. All but The Holy Roller happened in the play-offs.

In 1979, when the Raiders played at the Saints on Monday Night Football, the Saints led 35-14 with less than a quarter and a half to play. What did Stabler do? Drove the Raiders to a TD to make it 21-35, then in the 4th quarter he threw 3 TD passes, bringing the Raiders back to win 42-35.

In 1980, as a member of the Houston Oilers, playing at the NY Jets, the Oilers lost both Earl Campbell and Dave Casper and trailed 0-21 entering the 4th period. Snake threw FOUR 4th quarter TD passes, becoming the first player ever to throw 4 TD passes in the 4th quarter. That record has never been broken... only tied. By Joe Montana in 1989 and Vinny Testaverde in 2000.

And, being a Cowboy fan, I'm sure you know about Joe Montana. The 1981 NFC Championship, now known as The Catch. And in Super Bowl XXIII, driving the 49ers 92 yards in the final 3:10, throwing the game winning, Super Bowl winning pass with just :34 left.

Montana continued his magic in Kansas City, bringing the Chiefs back from certain defeat in back to back weeks in the play-offs... to beat the Steelers 27-24 in OT and the next week leading them to 21 4th quarter points in a 28-20 win over the Oilers, who entered the game with an 11 game winning streak.

These are the kinda things that make a QB great. Can they do it in the clutch when all the money is on the line? With a 2-4 career play-off record and one of those wins so controversial that it begs the question... just what was the NFL thinking in that game? Without a lot of help from the refs, Romo could be - and should be - 1-5 in play-off games.

In the pass happy league we have now and the rules we have now, don't start bragging about a guy's numbers until he's done something worth mentioning... like winning a Super Bowl without getting help from the refs!

# 26 Dwaresacksqb @ 05/05/16 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Death


	Not trying to get in the argument you are having with whoever, but I've got some sad news for you... regular season stats are only one part of the equation. And in today's NFL, where you can't touch the receivers or the QB, and where passing dominates, just you watch, sometime in the next five years someone will break Romo's records. You want to talk about what determines a great QB vs an "above average" one... delivering in the clutch. And Romo has N-E-V-E-R been confused as a clutch guy. Case in point... Career play-off record: 2-4 {And one of those wins is highly controversial} Taken from Wikipedia: On the Lions' ensuing possession, the most controversial play of the game occurred. Stafford threw a pass intended for tight end Brandon Pettigrew who was being covered by Cowboys rookie linebacker Anthony Hitchens. Hitchens held Pettigrew's jersey before knocking him down as the pass fell incomplete.^[7]^[8]^[9] Back judge Lee Dyer threw a flag for defensive pass interference. After referee Pete Morelli announced the penalty, head linesman Jerry Bergman determined that Hitchens' actions did not warrant a penalty.^[10] Morelli then announced there was no foul on the play and the flag was picked up.^[11]^[12] The decision to change the initial call received significant media attention after the game and was widely decried as incorrect.^[7]^[10]^[13]^[14] NFL Vice President of Officiating, Dean Blandino stated that the non-call on pass interference was debatable, but holding definitely should have been called on the play. Now when the VP of Officiating comes out and says a call was missed, that's bad. But back to Romo and I'm going to compare him to three guys from the past, not the present, because the rules today make it too easy. The three guys from the past are: Roger Staubach Kenny Stabler Joe Montana Career post-season records: Staubach: 11-6 {2 Super Bowl wins} Stabler: 7-5 {1 Super Bowl win} Montana: 16-7 {4 Super Bowl wins} The other thing about these three guys is all of them played in some of the most memorable and greatest games in NFL history. Staubach had the 1972 play-off game at San Francisco, where the Cowboys trailed 13-28 in the 4th quarter, but he led them to 17 points, throwing 2 TD passes, and won the game 30-28. Or the Hail Mary game. Being a Cowboy fan, I'm sure you know this one. The funny thing about that game is the most memorable play came BEFORE the Hail Mary. Facing 4th and 16, Staubach hit Pearson on the sideline for a first down... this is the play that set up the Hail Mary. Snake Stabler played in the most games with names... The Immaculate Reception {his 30 yard TD run set up the Steeler TD}, The Sea Of Hands, The Ghost To The Post and The Holy Roller. All but The Holy Roller happened in the play-offs. In 1979, when the Raiders played at the Saints on Monday Night Football, the Saints led 35-14 with less than a quarter and a half to play. What did Stabler do? Drove the Raiders to a TD to make it 21-35, then in the 4th quarter he threw 3 TD passes, bringing the Raiders back to win 42-35. In 1980, as a member of the Houston Oilers, playing at the NY Jets, the Oilers lost both Earl Campbell and Dave Casper and trailed 0-21 entering the 4th period. Snake threw FOUR 4th quarter TD passes, becoming the first player ever to throw 4 TD passes in the 4th quarter. That record has never been broken... only tied. By Joe Montana in 1989 and Vinny Testaverde in 2000. And, being a Cowboy fan, I'm sure you know about Joe Montana. The 1981 NFC Championship, now known as The Catch. And in Super Bowl XXIII, driving the 49ers 92 yards in the final 3:10, throwing the game winning, Super Bowl winning pass with just :34 left. Montana continued his magic in Kansas City, bringing the Chiefs back from certain defeat in back to back weeks in the play-offs... to beat the Steelers 27-24 in OT and the next week leading them to 21 4th quarter points in a 28-20 win over the Oilers, who entered the game with an 11 game winning streak. These are the kinda things that make a QB great. Can they do it in the clutch when all the money is on the line? With a 2-4 career play-off record and one of those wins so controversial that it begs the question... just what was the NFL thinking in that game? Without a lot of help from the refs, Romo could be - and should be - 1-5 in play-off games. In the pass happy league we have now and the rules we have now, don't start bragging about a guy's numbers until he's done something worth mentioning... like winning a Super Bowl without getting help from the refs!

Very fair points and it's clear you are not just spewing hate.

Tony Romo not being clutch is very debatable. Even Madden was forced to give Romo the clutch trait after the week one game last year against the Giants. I'll leave this here and after you read it I would love to hear your thoughts.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...n176j4hxtk79m8

In that Lions game the TE actually pulled on Anthony Hitchens face mask to try and get him out of the way or force contact as well. I'm sure if you just do a quick search of that you will see. Also. The Lions had chances to win that game after that penalty you did not like. It did not decide their game it was not even close to their last play. The Lions were still winning 20-17. Guess who came through clutch to put Dallas up in the 4th quarter? Tony Romo! Stafford ended up fumbling twice after that also. The Lions just couldn't get it done. There are bad calls (if we are calling it that) in every game so don't let sour Lion fans who cry like it cost them the game affect you. The fact that you would take 1 bad call (in a game that is played where calls get missed and called incorrect every game) that didn't even decide the outcome of the game affect you to the point where you say the Cowboys had no business winning it and it should be spunged from Romo's career playoff record. Really makes me second guess my originally assessment of you being fair with your points. Because that Is the furthest thing from fairness I have ever heard on OS.

If you look at those championship teams you mentioned with those QB's, you will see dominate defenses as well. Very rarely do you see a team that is so good offensively that they win despite their poor defense. Saints did it and so did the Colts. I don't remember many more. Dallas has never given Romo anything close to a dominate D. In fact, one year we had the 3rd worst defense of all time and we still were one game away from making the playoffs.

Regardless of all of this debate. I never claimed Romo was anything other than a MORE than an above average QB. It doesn't matter what I believe he is. But I will defend him from low blows like that.

# 27 GoJags904 @ 05/05/16 10:47 PM

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	Very fair points and it's clear you are not just spewing hate. Tony Romo not being clutch is very debatable. Even Madden was forced to give Romo the clutch trait after the week one game last year against the Giants. I'll leave this here and after you read it I would love to hear your thoughts. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...n176j4hxtk79m8 In that Lions game the TE actually pulled on Anthony Hitchens face mask to try and get him out of the way or force contact as well. I'm sure if you just do a quick search of that you will see. Also. The Lions had chances to win that game after that penalty you did not like. It did not decide their game it was not even close to their last play. Stafford ended up fumbling twice after that. The Lions just couldn't get it done. There are bad callas (if we are calling it that) in every game so don't let sour Lion fans who cry like it cost them the game affect you. If you look at those championship teams you mentioned with those QB's, you will see dominate defenses as well. Very rarely do you see a team that is so good offensively that they win despite their poor defense. Saints did it and so did the Colts. I don't remember many more. Dallas has never given Romo anything close to a dominate D. In fact, one year we had the 3rd worst defense of all time and we still were one game away from making the playoffs. Regardless of all of this debate. I never claimed Romo was anything other than a MORE than an above average QB. It doesn't matter what I believe he is. But I will defend him from low blows like that.

Not piggybacking on what the other poster said but what every NFL fan wants in their Franchise QB is playoff births and wins once you receive them. Romo, well the entire Cowboys team, is hyped up every year to be one of the best teams in the NFC before the season even starts and then, more often than not, they underperform. It's the media you should be upset with because fans of other teams just wait for the crash and burn every year to prove that the media has no clue what they're talking about and it paints Dallas as just a popular team getting bias love.

I think that trying to relive the past is the ONLY reason the Cowboys took Elliot and trying to compare ROMO to Aikman is insane, based off Playoff records and rings alone. I do apologize though if I came off as harsh because it's not your fault for what other fans have to put up with. Your Defense is slightly upgraded based on player potential alone but a record 2 years ago with almost the same roster is not anything to brag about. You also have to remember the problems all of those teams you faced had, as well as the holes they have also filled with upgrades. I hope your right though, coming from one NFL teams' fan to another.

# 28 Dr Death @ 05/05/16 11:01 PM

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	Very fair points and it's clear you are not just spewing hate. I'll leave this here and after you read it I would love to hear your thoughts. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...n176j4hxtk79m8 In that Lions game the TE actually pulled on Anthony Hitchens face mask to try and get him out of the way or force contact as well. I'm sure if you just do a quick search of that you will see. Also. The Lions had chances to win that game after that penalty you did not like. It did not decide their game it was not even close to their last play. Stafford ended up fumbling twice after that. The Lions just couldn't get it done.

No, I don't spew hate, I try to speak - or write - openly and honestly. I read the article you linked and my question is this... how is this NOT pass interference???

As far as that article and the guy going on about how clutch Romo was/is... one game doesn't equate to being clutch. Especially when that game was so controversial. But guys like Staubach, Stabler, Montana, Marino, and Elway did it over and over. They proved they were clutch because of dramatic 4th quarter comebacks in the play-offs, as well as the regular season. And Montana did it on the biggest stage in the world - the Super Bowl. 92 yards. 8 of 9 passing on that drive. Facing a 2nd and 20 after a penalty, he hit Rice for 27 yards. That... is clutch. A couple plays later he threw the game winner to Taylor.

Maybe it's unfair to Romo, but you have to admit, he brought it all on himself with mishaps in the play-offs and a 2-4 record isn't likely to change anyone's mind anytime soon.

It's a cold, cruel business, and until he leads the Cowboys to a Super Bowl and then brings them from behind to win in that Super Bowl, he will never be considered clutch by the majority of people. You can disagree, but that's just how life is in this social media age that we live in.

# 29 Dwaresacksqb @ 05/05/16 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Death


	No, I don't spew hate, I try to speak - or write - openly and honestly. I read the article you linked and my question is this... how is this NOT pass interference??? As far as that article and the guy going on about how clutch Romo was/is... one game doesn't equate to being clutch. Especially when that game was so controversial. But guys like Staubach, Stabler, Montana, Marino, and Elway did it over and over. They proved they were clutch because of dramatic 4th quarter comebacks in the play-offs, as well as the regular season. And Montana did it on the biggest stage in the world - the Super Bowl. 92 yards. 8 of 9 passing on that drive. Facing a 2nd and 20 after a penalty, he hit Rice for 27 yards. That... is clutch. A couple plays later he threw the game winner to Taylor. Maybe it's unfair to Romo, but you have to admit, he brought it all on himself with mishaps in the play-offs and a 2-4 record isn't likely to change anyone's mind anytime soon. It's a cold, cruel business, and until he leads the Cowboys to a Super Bowl and then brings them from behind to win in that Super Bowl, he will never be considered clutch by the majority of people. You can disagree, but that's just how life is in this social media age that we live in.

After watching the video you can see pettigrew pulling the face mask bringing Hitchens in so close that contact is going to be made no matter what hitches did. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/spo...play/21295621/

And it's not just one game that made some people think Romo is clutch.

He didn't just lead Dallas to a 4-0 final month that ensured it would go into the playoffs as a third-seeded NFC East champion. He did it in style as the NFC offensive player of the month, posting the best passer rating ever (133.7) for a quarterback who averaged at least 25 attempts over four games in December.

Here is a link that talks about how clutch Romo is in the 4th quarter http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...ning_camp.html

Stats don't lie and I am trying to possibly explain to you that it is defense that wins championships and Romo doesn't get the help those qbs you mentioned had. Even Rodgers when he won had a top ranked defense. Just saying it is something to think about. Also...

Tony Romo is top ten all time in playoff QB rating. It's not that he isn't clutch. It's that his teams in no way shape or form were as good as some of the teams you will find in the playoffs.

Edit: before this goes on any further. I provided everything I wanted to provide including links. Whether someone takes the time to read them or not I don't care. I only wanted to point out that Romo as all the evidence in the world of being a more than above average QB. If the guy ends up with a ring it'll be hard to keep him out of the hall of fame with his amazing numbers and career performances when the games were on the line. Because yes Romo is the highest rate QB of all time in the 4th. At least he was a couple years ago. If you guys have anything else you would like to add thats whatever I can't stop you. But I have to stop. It has nothing to do with the topic and it was not my intentions when I added it in when talking about the draft. Thank you two though it was fun

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