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Where Is A New Fight Night Game?

With Mayweather vs. Pacquiao coming up in May, it struck me as rather sad that gamers have no real way to enjoy boxing in this next generation. To be sure, it’s been a painful sabbatical for fans of the Fight Night series, as EA has switched gears into the MMA world with EA Sports UFC. The business decision certainly made sense for the UFC at the time, as they got to partner up with a bigger brand in EA. For EA, they got to give the Fight Night license a rest while riding the rocket that was the UFC. With only just over a million units sold on Xbox One and PS4 for EA Sports UFC, according to VGChartz, one has to wonder if this was a bet worth taking.

When EA picked up the UFC license, there was still the spectre of Brock Lesnar drawing huge pay-per-view buy rates. On top of that, all-time greats like Anderson Silva had yet to be de-mythologized, and Jon Jones was continuing his meteoric rise up the ranks. Now Brock is nowhere to be seen (but rumors indicate he may consider returning to the UFC), Anderson Silva is a disgraced steroid cheat, and Jon Jones is reeling from his foibles with nose candy.

Even on the weekend, the always-dominant and explosive Anthony Pettis was dethroned in a five-round beatdown at the hands of Rafael dos Anjos. While boxing is certainly not immune to upsets and disgrace, the UFC has had a lot of it over the last few years. The tepid sales of the UFC product may indicate that MMA will always be a niche offering, as the difficult control scheme, limited historical context and brutality of the sport are just going to push some people away.

Boxing, for all of its faults, has more universal appeal. I’m a fan of both, but I can see why the sweet science resonates with more people, as it has a long history to draw from and a lot of spectacle to peddle. My instinct tells me that it’s also because boxing has just one discipline on display, and that’s seen at a very high level. That discipline is informed by head movement, foot speed, stamina and power, but it’s still one discipline. MMA, on the other hand, by its very name is a bag of various skills, and often fights are kind of a “jack of all trades and master of none,” where you have two excellent Olympic wrestlers who decide to have a sloppy boxing match for 15 minutes.

The accessibility of boxing as a sport led to a lot of people trying out Fight Night. A lot of casual, mid-level and hardcore users really got behind each of the entries in the series, as they were easy to play and great to look at. Mastery was possible for the higher levels, but the barrier to entry was relatively low. On top of that, Fight Night sported some impressive features, such as fluid online play, GameFace support, tons of equipment and sponsored gear, as well as unlockable legends and novelty fighters.

Fight Night’s modes were also fully developed by the last few releases on Xbox 360 and PS3, with a great career offering and some meaningful ways to play online, including the championship mode. Even Fight Night Champion’s story offering was something that edged closer to the likes of NBA 2K’s MyCareer, where you had a backstory and out-of-ring segments as well as real consequences in the match for having your hand damaged or whatever. It was an embryonic concept, but I’d really like to see more of that if and when Fight Night returns.

The reason we’re not seeing more Fight Night at present also speaks to the realities of game development in this new generation, as a company like EA can only make so many mid-sized and large-sized bets. The small indie games can be made a bit more easily, but boxing is at least a mid-tier concept — and probably a AAA game, to be honest. These big bets take lots of time and money and a capable team of developers who can actually create a satisfying end product. As we saw with NHL 15, Madden 25 and EA Sports UFC (and NBA Live 14, too), these were transitional titles into the next generation. Some of them did it better than others, but it was almost a reset of the development process. Modes were cut. Features were crippled. Bugs were plentiful. Prices remained the same. Almost a deposit on future games, right? Pretty annoying, in some ways.

Since EA only has one official “fight” team, they chose to ride the momentum of the UFC and develop that product. Fight Night always sold quite well, but it was never so much of a phenomenon that it was immune to being put on hold, which is not too dissimilar to what’s happened with PGA Tour. With EA Sports UFC achieving success on par with the NHL series (and only after substantial discounts and being made free in EA Access), I have to believe that EA is contemplating their next move in the fighting space very closely.

The frustrating part for boxing fans is that EA is kind of holding the license hostage, not doing anything with all of those official brands, belts, fighters and legends. Sure, there have been a few attempts on Steam or via Kickstarter, but nothing can really capture the groundswell of support that EA has with Fight Night, since these other products are usually unlicensed and made by several people.

I’m certainly not naïve that boxing has been flagging in cultural relevance over the last decade or so, but the sport remains very accessible as a gaming product. Let’s hope we get a chance to play a good game in this space sooner rather than later.


Member Comments
# 1 rkocjay @ 03/16/15 12:37 PM
I would take fight night over ufc any day.
 
# 2 JKSportsGamer1984 @ 03/16/15 12:58 PM
Please bring back Fight Night!
 
# 3 Dazraz @ 03/16/15 01:10 PM
Excellent article.
Fight Night was a far more accurate simulation of the sport than EA's UFC game is. I really hope Fight Night returns albeit with a far better emphasis on capturing the fanfare & atmosphere of a big fight match-up. I would like to see a Boxing game that includes all the Pre-Fight elements (Weigh-Ins, Press Conferences...) to give you a sense of building up to a big bout rather than just getting straight into the fight.
 
# 4 Yaari @ 03/16/15 01:33 PM
I think MMA, and specifically the UFC, is a much safer bet right now. In boxing all fighters have to be licensed individually, making it difficult to put together a roster. Has Mayweather even made an appearance in any of the games? At the end of the day MMA is still on the rise while boxing currently has to be carrier by a handful of names.

EA UFC could have sold better, but it was a beginning console generation, and it did not score too well either. It was lacking in depth and modes. But its a game with a very solid foundation.

Switching to boxing won't really get them anywhere. It's not really a safe bet either. They have to make EA UFC a solid foundation first. I won't be surprised if they start exploring options once EA UFC 2 and the sales numbers are out though. The current install base for this gen is rapidly growing, and if the game still does not manage to do the numbers, they might partially switch their efforts towards boxing. Who knows.
 
# 5 JayBee74 @ 03/16/15 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Yaari
I think MMA, and specifically the UFC, is a much safer bet right now. In boxing all fighters have to be licensed individually, making it difficult to put together a roster. Has Mayweather even made an appearance in any of the games? At the end of the day MMA is still on the rise while boxing currently has to be carrier by a handful of names.
Premiere Boxing Champions is giving boxing a new look, and Fight Night Champions wasn't totally lacking in signed boxers. Give the boxers more face time on national TV, improve the game considerably, and you'll have a winner.

Of course I'm a huge boxing fan, who doesn't care about MMA in the least.
 
# 6 Dazraz @ 03/16/15 02:19 PM
Fight games, irrespective of their genre, have the potential to grow their sales by appealing to the more casual gamer. However to do this they need to make a much more accessible control system. EA's UFC has a ridiculously complicated control system, in particular the ground game. Sure dedicated fans will take the time to master them, but a casual player will soon tire of the effort required. I enjoy UFC's stand up game but once the action goes to ground it becomes a stick twiddling button flicking extravaganza whereby I do all I can to get to a stand up position. Boxing of course doesn't have this ground game element & therefore removed the necessity of such control schemes. Another reason why I find it the better option.
 
# 7 santa7999 @ 03/16/15 02:24 PM
Fight night aside, which was a great series and it should not have been put aside, EA UFC probably only did a million units because the game lacks any real content. Sure they have been one of the better games with updates and giving free fighters but who is going to play the same game for 2 years only playing exhibition matches and some online fights. There is nothing to do in the game once you finish career mode, which was somewhat boring and predictable.

I am not an online gamer, I could care less about playing people online, I would rather play my own "Universe" mode like the WWE games have, that way, its never ending and you create the storylines, and you can use which ever fighter you want for any event. There needs to be a lot of customizability with the fighting games because there is only so much you can do with it. I'm not a fan of WWE but there are so many things they got right up until this year and maybe last year, but you could customize almost anything, I know UFC isnt like the WWE in terms of creating belts and factions, but you could set up rivalries and have the rematches and it will actually feel like it counts, keep the standings, have new fighters emerge. You should have PPVs every month and build everything from there. This is what should have been in the UFC game in my opinion, well, I would have liked to see it. Dont write off a game because it sold poorly, look at why it sold poorly and rectify that in the next release.
And put another team on creating a new Fight Night....(win, win situation) stop being cheap, you have the money EA. The people could buy two organized fighting games. Id buy a UFC and Fight Night game, as long as it is good and has the content to keep me busy and happy for more than a week.
 
# 8 SHAKYR @ 03/16/15 03:08 PM
Excellent article and thank you very much for writing this because I was really frustrate that a site like Operation Sports wasn't doing anything about boxing when there are developers who watch this site and listen(read) to what is being said. Your articles do make noise in the sports gaming industry.
 
# 9 DJ @ 03/16/15 04:00 PM
What's also hurting the Fight Night series is that boxing's most marketable star, Floyd Mayweather Jr., is likely going to retire after this year. Outside of Canelo Alvarez, I don't see a lot of fighters brimming with star potential.

The UFC has marketable fighters like Ronda Rousey, Jon Jones, Connor McGregor, etc., that carry more name recognition that 99% of today's current boxers.
 
# 10 JayBee74 @ 03/16/15 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ
What's also hurting the Fight Night series is that boxing's most marketable star, Floyd Mayweather Jr., is likely going to retire after this year. Outside of Canelo Alvarez, I don't see a lot of fighters brimming with star potential.

The UFC has marketable fighters like Ronda Rousey, Jon Jones, Connor McGregor, etc., that carry more name recognition that 99% of today's current boxers.
I've never heard of any of them. Guess I need to hang out at the MMA forum to learn some of them.

So much for name recognition.
 
# 11 fistofrage @ 03/16/15 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JayBee74
I never heard of any of them. Guess I need to hang out at the MMA forum to learn some of them.

So much for name recognition.
I think I heard of Ronda Rousy because she was posing for some swimsuit magazine. Not sure who the other people are. Ken Shamrock? Was he MMA or WWE? I can't remember.

I would have to bet that Boxing is much more popular on a world stage than MMA. And given what Pac/Mayweather will draw, I can't imagine MMA is more popular than boxing in the US even though people have been saying boxing is dead for 30 years.
 
# 12 SHAKYR @ 03/16/15 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fistofrage
I think I heard of Ronda Rousy because she was posing for some swimsuit magazine. Not sure who the other people are. Ken Shamrock? Was he MMA or WWE? I can't remember.

I would have to bet that Boxing is much more popular on a world stage than MMA. And given what Pac/Mayweather will draw, I can't imagine MMA is more popular than boxing in the US even though people have been saying boxing is dead for 30 years.
Exactly! A great game will sell regardless of the stars. I keep telling EA they need to market the boxing game more globally. I'm not an MMA fan; I wouldn't even say casual either. Boxing has a very huge fan-base but people try to overshadow it with MMA.
If you go to any of the major boxing websites they have many fans on them sites daily. Boxing isn't dead but casual fans will make you believe it is.

[Boxers and Boxing community need to support another boxing game]

Some say boxing is dead and some of these game producers(EA) are contributing to the hype because their lack of passion and knowledge of boxing translate into the product(Fight Night). Boxing is still making money and has million of fans worldwide. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the highest paid athlete two years in a row.
EA needs to stop blaming the sport of boxing and give the fans what they want and not what they think they need. Fans want the game to be similar to what they see on TV or a live match. The fans want a deep game with depth in various areas like the customization, controls, career, features, and things that apply to the sport in general.

If boxing was dead why are sites like these flooded with fans and posts everyday.

BoxRec: Total members 42649

East Side Boxing: Total Members 30,969

BoxingScene : Total Members 162273

SaddoBoxing: Total Members21,697

MaxBoxing: Total Members 19,439

And a large number of other boxing sites exist.


Read more: http://boxinggamewishlist.proboards.com/thread/66/boxing-dead-easports#ixzz3UaIh56l4
 
# 13 JKSportsGamer1984 @ 03/16/15 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAKYR
Exactly! A great game will sell regardless of the stars. I keep telling EA they need to market the boxing game more globally. I'm not an MMA fan; I wouldn't even say casual either. Boxing has a very huge fan-base but people try to overshadow it with MMA.
If you go to any of the major boxing websites they have many fans on them sites daily. Boxing isn't dead but casual fans will make you believe it is.

[Boxers and Boxing community need to support another boxing game]

Some say boxing is dead and some of these game producers(EA) are contributing to the hype because their lack of passion and knowledge of boxing translate into the product(Fight Night). Boxing is still making money and has million of fans worldwide. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the highest paid athlete two years in a row.
EA needs to stop blaming the sport of boxing and give the fans what they want and not what they think they need. Fans want the game to be similar to what they see on TV or a live match. The fans want a deep game with depth in various areas like the customization, controls, career, features, and things that apply to the sport in general.

If boxing was dead why are sites like these flooded with fans and posts everyday.

BoxRec: Total members 42649

East Side Boxing: Total Members 30,969

BoxingScene : Total Members 162273

SaddoBoxing: Total Members21,697

MaxBoxing: Total Members 19,439

And a large number of other boxing sites exist.


Read more: http://boxinggamewishlist.proboards....#ixzz3UaIh56l4
Well said man. Totally agree!
 
# 14 JayBee74 @ 03/16/15 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ
What's also hurting the Fight Night series is that boxing's most marketable star, Floyd Mayweather Jr., is likely going to retire after this year.
Floyd hasn't been in the last three Fight Nights, and if he retired tomorrow five years from now you could have a "Floyd Mayweather" boxing game. That's how marketable he is.
 
# 15 CujoMatty @ 03/16/15 07:34 PM
ufc is a great game but it's just too complicated to keep me interested.

When it first came out I played quite a bit of it then something else came out and I got away from it. Every once and a while I'll think about playing it again but the thought of having to re learn all the controls keeps me away.

with fight night I could pretty much pick up and play it whenever. I honestly feel like I like the ufc better but it's just too much of a daunting experience virtually.
 
# 16 BaylorBearBryant @ 03/16/15 11:06 PM
Am I the only one who thinks they should combine the two in a game called... "Fight Night"? UFC and Boxing? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
# 17 JBless @ 03/16/15 11:31 PM
great article
 
# 18 SHAKYR @ 03/17/15 01:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaylorBearBryant
Am I the only one who thinks they should combine the two in a game called... "Fight Night"? UFC and Boxing? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
This has to be a joke! This sounds like a very casual fan post. It's a disrespect to boxing and UFC(MMA) and I don't even like MMA.
 
# 19 steelcityjames @ 03/17/15 03:28 AM
they can't get ONE right.........combining the two would be a disaster
 
# 20 SPRINGS03 @ 03/17/15 03:50 AM
Yeah, i'd LOOVE a new boxing game, not even necessarily just fight night, but a solid next gen boxing game in general with more focus on sim boxing, i felt like fight night was starting to go down a casual style of over substance path(focus on some cheesy champion mode nobody asked for, marketing violent cuts and cussing like it's a big deal, less focus on the gameplay mechanics, etc.)
 

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