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The PES 2015 Demo Shows Solid Progress For the Series Into Next-Gen (Roundtable)


The PES 2015 demo dropped a couple of weeks ago, and our guys have spent a bit of time playing it. While there have been complaints about the series for a few years now, the on-pitch gameplay has typically been a strong suit of the game. With release a few weeks away still, here's a couple of sets of thoughts on the demo and what you can look forward to when PES 2015 releases on November 11.

KG: "The return of the King."

It's a phrase that has been thrown out to describe nearly every iteration of Konami's Pro Evolution Soccer (PES) since the days of Winning Eleven 5/6. If the demo is any indication, PES fans can finally look forward to a return to form for the once prominent series.

While PES 2014 was the first Konami game to fully utilize the "Fox Engine," gamers, myself included, were treated to a game that was very rough around the edges. Thankfully, some of those edges have been smoothed out and polished to a glistening shine. If there is one word to describe the PES 2015 demo it is responsive. The clunkiness that was so prominent in PES 2014 has been fine-tuned resulting in lightning quick response times while still respecting momentum and proper physics. The close control while the ball is at your feet allows you to beat defenders with simple turns instead of tricks, wrong-footing them in the process.

Once you get familiar with the newborn freedom of the players the next you thing you will notice is the incredibly intelligent player AI, from both the CPU and your AI teammates. The calling card of the franchise (the AI) is even more prominent in PES 2015. Deep holding midfielders like Toni Kroos, Xabi Alonso, and Sergio Busquets will find space, opening up passing channels providing an outlet when the AI closes you down. It's not all about attack either, center backs will point out runners for their back-line counterparts identifying the danger-man and even play the occasional offside trap.

Expanding upon the strong AI is the strong attention to detail through the likes of Player ID and realistic team playing styles. Get on the ball with Juventus' playmaker Andrea Pirlo and you suddenly find yourself transformed into the Italian legend looking to spray passes around the pitch at the press of a button. Conversely, when controlling someone like Arjen Robben, Cristiano Ronaldo, or Neymar, you feel as if the entire world is at your feet with their ability to change direction at pace with the dip of a shoulder, step-over, or feint. In addition to Player ID, clubs act like their real-life counterparts. It was an oddly frustrating, yet satisfying feeling watching Barcelona play keep-away from me after going up a goal as Athletic Bilbao. Juventus and their 3-5-2 formation played long balls to frontman Fernando Llorente using the Spaniard's 6'7 frame to knock balls into the path of Carlos Tevez. Real Madrid will also break on the counter at the same pace which saw them shred teams in the Champions League last year. The catch-up bug that curtailed speedsters such as Ronaldo and Garreth Bale is long gone, as they will be if you allow them space on the wing in PES 2015.

Lastly, I must admit that there are still a few issues present in the PES 2015 demo. Goalkeepers have long been a sore spot for the series and while they are noticeably better, they still suffer in a few areas, namely parrying shots back into trouble allowing for easy rebounds and tap-ins. Goalkeeper AI could perhaps use a boost in this area or shooting power could be toned down while shot error is increased to limit the amount of accurate shots on target. Piggybacking on goals, the poor net physics detract from the enjoyment of scoring a goal and have plagued the series long enough. With the increased fluidity also comes some funky animation transitions. This is really apparent in replays when the action is slowed down and "sliding" is present as well as when players collide. The collision system, while pretty solid, could use some more animations to help accurately portray the physicality that exists in the sport.

I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with the PES 2015 demo as I eagerly await the official release on November 11. With a demo released nearly 2 months before the actual release, Konami has ample time to address the issues present in the demo and give us footy fans a product that can finally put Winning Eleven 5/6 to bed.

James Kerti: The Pro Evolution Soccer series always presents a purchasing dilemma to me. More than any other game, it leads me to ask myself two questions.

1) What really matters to me in a game?

2) Which flaws am I willing to tolerate?

PES, maybe more than any other sports game, captures the essence of each player's and team's style and skills. It makes each match you play a unique experience in which the match ups and styles of the clubs and players feel like they truly matter.

On the other hand, the demo suggests the game still suffers from suspect goalkeeper AI. Perhaps it's the one remaining area of the game where it's hard to tell the truly elite players from outright bad ones. Even the best goalkeepers in PES have a knack for parrying shots back toward opposing players far too often.

I also can't say I've seen fouls in the couple demo matches I've played. It would be a tremendous problem if the same is true of the final game.

We do have another month before the game releases, and I know I'm waiting eagerly to see what develops.

 

What did you think of the demo? Sound off in the comments!


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# 1 maltliquor23 @ 10/20/14 12:03 PM
Unfortunately what we can not look forward to is option files allowing us to have real kits.

I hadn't seen more than 1 CPU foul until a match last night where i saw a whopping 2. Outside of these I cant wait to get my hands on the game. After playing it on the PS4 i cant go back to PS3.
 
# 2 DBMcGee3 @ 10/20/14 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by maltliquor23
Unfortunately what we can not look forward to is option files allowing us to have real kits.

I hadn't seen more than 1 CPU foul until a match last night where i saw a whopping 2. Outside of these I cant wait to get my hands on the game. After playing it on the PS4 i cant go back to PS3.
It sounds like the file makers are making progress on the option files, don't give up on them yet.

Regarding the game itself, this article is pretty spot on. The CPU AI in PES is amazing, offering tactical and player variety that you don't really get in FIFA, at least not while playing against the CPU. The passing is great as always, and the controls are beautiful in their simplicity. What holds the game back for me, other than losing the licensing war again, are the sub par GKs and the sluggish dribble moves. There are far too many rebound goals, as mentioned, and even more goals that just shouldn't get by the keeper, period. I like the weight of the players and the pace of the game, but some of the skill moves are so slow (even latent feeling) that they are basically useless. I also feel like the deft touch dribble is far less effective this year. It is just far too slow, and trying to 'downshift' from a sprint to a 'jinking run' seems to cause an awkward slam on the brakes when applied.

At the end of the day though, it's a really, really fun game, and more than a viable alternative if you don't like, or are tired of, FIFA.
 
# 3 snimat @ 10/20/14 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by maltliquor23
Unfortunately what we can not look forward to is option files allowing us to have real kits.

I hadn't seen more than 1 CPU foul until a match last night where i saw a whopping 2. Outside of these I cant wait to get my hands on the game. After playing it on the PS4 i cant go back to PS3.
There is some progress on the Option File transfer issue (User patched teams and players). At least on PS4.

PES has always captured the essence of football.
 
# 4 ronnieb @ 10/20/14 02:02 PM
great game, some rough edge for sure but gameplay and AI is far above competition and at the end of the day what matters most ?
can t wait for retail
 
# 5 fearwhatnow @ 10/20/14 03:43 PM
They had plenty of time to fix Fouls and Passive GK's. I've spotted those flaws from the very first gameplay videos and neither is fixed or at least improved. Everything else seems fine but the 2 mentioned problems are major ones.
 
# 6 HenryClay1844 @ 10/20/14 04:11 PM
Game seems too linear to me. I don't like that I have to use a trigger for manual passing, because otherwise it's too close to ping-pong like FIFA. I also don't like that their career mode (Master League) is even sparser than FIFA.'s CM. I might get it at some point as I love football, but I'm not really hyped for it.
 
# 7 Ronoko @ 10/20/14 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fearwhatnow
They had plenty of time to fix Fouls and Passive GK's. I've spotted those flaws from the very first gameplay videos and neither is fixed or at least improved. Everything else seems fine but the 2 mentioned problems are major ones.
It's quite possible those things were adjusted in the final build. The demo came out quite a long time before the game will be released.....does not even have commentary.
 
# 8 Halloween @ 10/20/14 04:51 PM
It plays very much like PES 6 to be honest. Sure, one of the best football games in history but after 8 years there should be somehow more of a progress.
It really feels like PES 6 HD to me.
 
# 9 LingeringRegime @ 10/20/14 05:40 PM
I prefer good gameplay over real kits,stadiums,licenses, etc.

Would it be nice to have all those bells and whistles? Of course. But those will never deter me from buying a game that has superior gameplay.
 
# 10 dmendenhall_9 @ 10/20/14 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HenryClay1844
Game seems too linear to me. I don't like that I have to use a trigger for manual passing, because otherwise it's too close to ping-pong like FIFA. I also don't like that their career mode (Master League) is even sparser than FIFA.'s CM. I might get it at some point as I love football, but I'm not really hyped for it.
you could try turning the pass support all the way down to zero (no bars) this will be almost completely manual. you should investigate these kind of settings instead of just complaining. it has the same type of setting as fifa where you can choose manual semi or assisted except it is finer tuned between 6 different pass settings.
 
# 11 fearwhatnow @ 10/21/14 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronoko
It's quite possible those things were adjusted in the final build. The demo came out quite a long time before the game will be released.....does not even have commentary.
The demo does not have commentary because they wanted a reasonable size in GB's.
I hope they've fixed the issues in the final build but to be honest I have low expectations. The AI is great, the build-up is there but no fouls or limited foul calls and mediocre goalkeeping=no buy. I don't care about licenses, socks, shoes and balls. But fouls play a major role in football and there is a whole tactical theory behind them.
 
# 12 KG @ 10/21/14 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fearwhatnow
The demo does not have commentary because they wanted a reasonable size in GB's.
I hope they've fixed the issues in the final build but to be honest I have low expectations. The AI is great, the build-up is there but no fouls or limited foul calls and mediocre goalkeeping=no buy. I don't care about licenses, socks, shoes and balls. But fouls play a major role in football and there is a whole tactical theory behind them.
I'm hoping they can patch em in like they did in 2014
 
# 13 kromo50 @ 10/21/14 09:41 AM
PES is back cant wait!!
 
# 14 snimat @ 10/21/14 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Halloween
It plays very much like PES 6 to be honest. Sure, one of the best football games in history but after 8 years there should be somehow more of a progress.
It really feels like PES 6 HD to me.
You should play PES 6 again.
I did a few month ago and it aged way better in our thoughts than in reality.

Sure Konami lost the pole position in the dark PS360 days but they're catching up. Especially if you count in how little progress EA provides since FIFA 09 was a reasonable leap in the right direction.
 
# 15 Redoy Akond @ 10/25/14 08:51 AM
PES ............ !!! i am excited to watch ,,,,, =D
 
# 16 xicpanad @ 11/07/14 04:37 AM
Ok PES 15 is surely a great improvement, really surprised me a bit. But no fouls again? Really? And what NG goalkeepers are these? I mean, PES really exceeds in some details... what it does right, it really does it great, but what it does wrong, its reaaalllllyy doing it wrong. Overall, it looses a lot and leaves the competition a little bit ahead.
 
# 17 LingeringRegime @ 11/07/14 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xicpanad
Ok PES 15 is surely a great improvement, really surprised me a bit. But no fouls again? Really? And what NG goalkeepers are these? I mean, PES really exceeds in some details... what it does right, it really does it great, but what it does wrong, its reaaalllllyy doing it wrong. Overall, it looses a lot and leaves the competition a little bit ahead.
No fouls will be patched like it was last year.
 
# 18 RoyceDa59 @ 11/07/14 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LingeringRegime
No fouls will be patched like it was last year.
Is this true?
 
# 19 LingeringRegime @ 11/07/14 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RoyceDa59
Is this true?

I don't see why it wouldn't be.

They haven't said unequivocally they are going to, but I assume they will.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
# 20 KG @ 11/07/14 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LingeringRegime
I don't see why it wouldn't be.

They haven't said unequivocally they are going to, but I assume they will.

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Yeah but at this time lat year on 2014 they never said fouls would be patched and they were. PES 2014 had at least 3 or 4 console patches. You could say that it needed them and most wouldn't disagree with you but 3/4 patches are pretty rare these days.
 

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