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OS Roundtable: What do you think of Cheatgate MLB 2K12?

Recently there has been a discovery on how players cheated to win MLB 2K12's Perfect Pitch Challenge. Multiple users found a way to swap out the best hitters in a team's lineup and replace them with the weak links. Unfortunately for the ones who won a perfect game legitimately are screwed, and 2K has made a statement that nothing is going to change.

Here's the OS staff's opinions on the matter:

Jayson Young: The MLB 2K scandal takes me back to 2007, when 2K Sports tried to run an online tournament for All Pro Football 2K8 and it was ruined by players using an illegal field goal block exploit, as well as a nasty glitch that would freeze the opponent's system.

The lesson for 2K Sports and other game publishers is that video game contests should be held locally, and players should have to play the game in-person with officials on site. When contests are held online, it is difficult to police the rules and prevent people from taking advantage of game exploits or loopholes in the rules.

2K Sports should do the same thing they did back in 2007 and expel all known cheaters from their tournament.

Glenn Wigmore: For a contest that actually had generated some interesting buzz for the MLB 2K brand in the last couple of years, it's unfortunate that it now has to be marred by something so preventable. To not ban the offenders and create some sort of standard for the contest just breeds cynicism and apathy for future contests.

Following Jayson's example, competitions like this should be held locally. I harken back to the likes of the "Special Edition" cartridges that Blockbuster Video used for NBA Jam and Donkey Kong Country for contests back in the mid-'90s. Users generally only got one shot at those sorts of tournaments, the parameters were fixed for everyone, and there was some level of control by a third-party.

In the realm of online, people are always looking for an edge. Whether it's manipulation of the connection, collusion with other parties or "boosting" their teams/players through clearly exploitive behaviour, this type of thing is going to happen. Still, you'd think when this much money is the line that 2K would have all sorts of redundancies and fail-safes to prevent a situations like this.

Matthew Coe: I think this was inevitable. When that much money is on the line, you're gonna have players trying to cheat the system. It reminds me of the Madden tournament where guys used glitches and exploits to win and run sim players off from playing ranked matches. If there is an exploit to be found, some people are bound to find them.

It's a shame really, because the MLB 2K Perfect Game Challenge had been nothing but good publicity for the title, and it needed as many positives going for it as possible. Now with the cheating that has occurred in the Perfect Game Challenge, it de-legitimatizes the entire process and leaves a huge cloud of dishonesty over the entire concept.

The best thing 2KSports could do is to investigate this fully and weed out anyone who clearly abused the system that was in place. Unfortunately it seems that 2K is intent on sweeping this under the rug and hoping it goes away.

Chris Sanner: It's ironic that the one thing 2K Sports did right with the MLB 2K12 franchise has now turned into a big black eye as well. Let's face it, being presented with the evidence of cheating and then doing nothing about it is one of the lamest things I've seen a gaming company do in sports gaming.

Competitions like this should be programmed to have a very specific set of rules and a gameplay environment. This means that 2K should have simply given the users a choice of certain games and pitchers they could attempt the feat with. To have the perfect game competition turn into a giant sham is a complete joke at this point and unfortunately, fitting for the MLB 2K franchise.

To me, if this is truly the end of the MLB 2K series (although we really don't know either way), then it is a fitting one. The MLB 2K12 franchise is a failure at this point on this generation of consoles, with every year showing promise only to be ruined by buggy releases. It's time for another company (EA) to have their turn at the baseball mantle and for MLB 2K to simply just go away from the exclusive third-party baseball spotlight.

Caley Roark: I'll begin by agreeing with Matthew and Chris: this was both inevitable and a black eye on the franchise. To this point, the contest drew interest and spawned some creative commercials.

However, I'll go against the grain a little here. Because the exploit can't be recreated, I'm a little fuzzy as to whether it required some kind of hack or allowed users to access the opposing lineup from a normal menu. Furthermore, from what I've read, the exploit wasn't expressly forbidden in the contest's official rules.

I feel bad for those who threw perfect games without messing with the opposing lineup. But, if doing so wasn't mentioned in the official rules AND didn't require some kind of software manipulation, can this be construed as anything other than creative thinking?

I know, it falls into that grey area for both games and sports. Where does sportsmanship end and gamesmanship start? It's easy to say these actions violate the "spirit" of the rules ... but so do a lot of other things we accept in sports.

After all, it was once considered unsportsmanlike to throw any kind of deceptive pitch. And I'm not sure trick or gadget plays were intended when Walter Camp and others laid down the rules for football. But they are creative ways to get an edge on your opponent, and are within the written rules.

The blame for this mess, then, lies on 2K for not having the foresight to either lock this problem down or forbid it in the rules.

What do you OSer's think about MLB 2K12 and Cheatgate?


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# 21 Heroesandvillains @ 05/12/12 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CPRoark
I'm completely in agreement with you (and others) on the end result. Beating the Red Sox with their line-up intact should score higher than one without their stars.

Let me throw out another hypothetical, one that actually grounded a little in reality. When I was a kid, Topps release "Gold Cards," which were premium cards with fancy embossing and extra glossiness. One year, each pack had a scratch off ticket. It was a picture of the field, with a scratch-off at each of the bases.

If I recall, the goal of the game was to find three matching symbols before your scratched off the one that was different. If you did, you won whatever prize was under another scratch off field. Pretty much like an instant lottery ticket.

Anyway, some kid on my bus found out that by holding a flashlight against the back of the card it became easy to see the differing symbol. Suddenly, everyone was winning the prizes (which I think were mostly free packs of cards).

Suppose a company ran a similar contest today, with higher stakes...say, $1,000,000. And, by accident, you find that holding the ticket up to light reveals the matching symbols. Would you do it?

I suppose an ethics professor would suggest that the morally correct thing to do would be to abstain from entering the contest, since you had discovered a loophole not covered in the rules. You aren't defacing the ticket or being fraudulent. You just stumbled upon a method for winning that was stupidly unforeseen by the company.

I would suggest that the majority of people would enter anyway.

Again, I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, and think that those players who tweaked line-ups should be ranked lower than those who didn't. But in the end, it comes down to 2K's screw up. I think when this much money is on the line, "spirit of the rules" becomes too vague to trust.
This is a wonderful comparison; it virtually mirrors the situation at hand.

Ahhh...the mountainous 'what if's!!!!' I think it says a lot about my moral compass when I hesitate to predict my hypothetical actions when the prize changes from a free pack of cards to a $1,000,000 cash mattress.

And yes, if I ever won a cool million, night one I'd sleep on it. That was not an iTouch predicative dictionary typo. I meant mattress when I said it.

Though, when I really analyze this, I can't justify the flashlight trick being any different than knowing an ex-Topps employee, one that used to work in the printing section, TELLING me the patterns in which to scratch the lottery ticket in.

Or is it different? Perhaps maybe it is...

Ugh, I'll be hypothesizing all day long now about this, and what it would be like NOT to be broke in the process.

Thanks. Thanks a lot!!!!!
 
# 22 Heroesandvillains @ 05/12/12 03:03 PM
Here's a question:

How do you think 2K would have reacted if one of the 8 finalists, after flying out to the event, held a press conference to announce he or she was stepping out of the competition until the scores were recalculated? On the grounds that they would feel cheated if they somehow managed to win, knowing deep down inside they weren't actually playing the "best of the best."

Do you think that kind of pressure/public ridicule would have forced 2K's hand into addressing this matter? You know, an actual finalist demanding a recount in a very public forum?
 
# 23 fakeimmigrant @ 05/15/12 02:31 PM
If only this story got more traction on other sites, it might have resulted in 2K doing more or reacting accordingly.
 
# 24 Sportsflibs @ 05/22/12 03:24 AM
20+ years of video game competition experience - that is how I know that only live events have integrity. It's frustrating to sit on the sidelines while companies like 2K Sports repeat the same mistakes over and over and over.
 
# 25 Sportsflibs @ 05/22/12 03:26 AM
There's an element of this nobody has mentioned. There is no way to verify identity in an online tournament. When part of the prize is a trip, especially when that trip includes a shot at big money, people might play for other people.

ID's and passwords verify an account, not a person holding a controller.
 
# 26 videlsports @ 05/26/12 07:54 AM
They should not have the contest for 1 million dollers, when they could use that money for developing games. I'm happy for the people that got their lives changed, but 2k stopped producing baseball now.
 
# 27 JoeRyan33 @ 05/27/12 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Aggies67
What if you cheated, and the person you beat out needed the money more than you?
No one needs the money more than me.
 
# 28 Herky @ 05/31/12 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by videlsports
They should not have the contest for 1 million dollers, when they could use that money for developing games. I'm happy for the people that got their lives changed, but 2k stopped producing baseball now.
I totally agree. The contest was cool at first but considering the fact that 2K is probably done with baseball games, it's pretty silly they did these contests.

Maybe with the extra money they could have done better with cyberfaces, and allowed for full player editing at least.
 
# 29 Yeats @ 05/31/12 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Herky
I totally agree. The contest was cool at first but considering the fact that 2K is probably done with baseball games, it's pretty silly they did these contests.

Maybe with the extra money they could have done better with cyberfaces, and allowed for full player editing at least.
Could have should have, from here on in this post and any others discussing 2K baseball's "potential" will all die a miserable and lonely cyberdeath I'm afraid. Time to bury this sorry corpse and move on.
 
# 30 chuguman99 @ 06/02/12 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy29
Well haven't you played sports in your life, weather it be high school college, or whatever level it may be? What's some of the first things the coaches teach you? It's where those grey areas are in the rules and how to exploit them to your advantage over your competitor. It's not cheating it's exploiting the rules to your advantage.
I play baseball, and the first thing my coaches taught me wasn't to "exploit the rules". The first thing my coaches taught me was ho to hit the ball.
 
# 31 Rob Bec @ 07/06/12 07:33 AM
Are you guys f'n kidding me or you all are just all rich with no cares in the world already???

If all I have to do for a million dollars is switch a lineup IN A DAMN V-I-D-E-O G-A-M-E contest (might I add the rules don't say can't do this) then I'll do it EVERYTIME! I almost cant even believe this is a discussion amongst people who arent millionaires and have familes to take care.

"Spirit of an UNWRITTEN video game rule" vs. being awared $1,000,000 (if you just picked option one then ur the person Im laughing at as I write this)

WOW.
 
# 32 Yeats @ 07/06/12 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob Bec
Are you guys f'n kidding me or you all are just all rich with no cares in the world already???

If all I have to do for a million dollars is switch a lineup IN A DAMN V-I-D-E-O G-A-M-E contest (might I add the rules don't say can't do this) then I'll do it EVERYTIME! I almost cant even believe this is a discussion amongst people who arent millionaires and have familes to take care.

"Spirit of an UNWRITTEN video game rule" vs. being awared $1,000,000 (if you just picked option one then Im ur the person Im laughing at as I write this)

WOW.
Nice, you sign up just to troll?

EDIT: Just noticed you got another thread closed after you were warned about calling people babies. Seems like I was correct.
 
# 33 Rob Bec @ 07/06/12 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeats
Nice, you sign up just to troll?

EDIT: Just noticed you got another thread closed after you were warned about calling people babies. Seems like I was correct.
Really? You considered my post on this contest matter trolling? Wow. You're super sensitive man.

Anyways, I feel like I just added perspective to the conversation by saying:
Not breaking an UNWRITTEN VIDEO GAME RULE vs. Being awarded $1,000,000 doesnt take one second of thought from me on which one I'm going with. And it shouldn't take any thought from any non multi-millionaire with a family to feed.
 
# 34 PS3rocks09 @ 07/25/12 07:59 PM
only 2k would do this
 

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