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OS Roundtable: The Player Tendencies Snafu - Short Term Blunder or Long Term Mistake?

OS Staff Writers, by now you have all heard the news about the fourth NCAA title update not including a fix for player tendencies. To some this is an absolutely huge deal and to others it seems as if they are perfectly content with the game as-is. But let's go beyond that; let's discuss whether the string of bugs this year, plus the lack of any patchable resolution will be detrimental to NCAA 13, or will the blunders of NCAA Football 12 be forgotten by many next July?

Robert Kollars: I am probably more understanding when it comes to issues with game titles than most. As it stands though, I have already traded inNCAA. I play NCAA Football because I love the actual sport itself, and I want a chance to use all the great talent from so many teams. I am at an absolute loss that player tendencies are STILL broken, even with four patches. If tendencies were the only issue I might be a bit more forgiving, but this game has been riddled with bugs since the first week of release. 

While not a flagship title of Electronic Arts, NCAA is still a very popular one. It goes way beyond that of a niche product. If you trust the numbers reported,NCAA 12 has sold over 1 million copies, and NCAA 11 sold just under. The foundation was laid for this series to grow dramatically, but the amount of issues, and EA's inability to fix them, could prove very costly. They followed the same path with NCAA Basketball 10, by releasing a solid product only to abandoned the issues that were holding it back from being a great game. This is a dangerous path that EA has chosen, and in my honest opinion, I believe they will see a significant drop in week one sales of NCAA 13. I hope if this happen, that gamers aren't fed the typical "college games just don't sell" line. College games do sell, but like any other consumer purchased product, it helps if they actually work.

Phil Varckette: In professional wrestling (stay with me), there is something called the three month rule. If a storyline has been finished for three or more months then it's OK to rehash it. The same basic principle applies here. 

Every year we all have our issues with the game whether they are big or small. Yet, like clock work we jump aboard the EA hype train again come late winter only to be let down once again. Don't get me wrong, the game certainly does have its redeeming qualities, but when highly touted features are broken, it's no wonder some people feel the way they do about EA. I have not bought an EA football game since NCAA 10, and I don't plan on buying one again until I know the game has taken great strides. Sadly, I doubt this will happen in this console generation. 

Next year may be different when it comes to sales. When you hype a major feature like player tendencies and the feature doesn't work out of the box, that's one thing, but to have four patches and not fix the issue? This is just plain unacceptable. Will it drive customers away? That remains to be seen. But I do know one thing, it seems like every year more and more people are getting tired of EA's schtick.

Matthew Coe: I don't see any way that NCAA 12's myriad of problems doesn't affect both the attitude towards, and the first week sales, of NCAA 13 come July 2012. I know for me personally, I will not be buying on release day. I need to hear and see for myself that the NCAA team down at Tiburon have ironed out all of the issues present in NCAA 12. I get the feeling that many others have finally said "Enough!" and are tired of being burned by the incomplete yearly releases in the sports gaming market.


Sports gamers have gotten the short end of the stick this generation of consoles by and large, and it feels like we are collectively "waking up" to this fact. However, the proof always comes on release day. After all of the hype and PR is done, we'll see if gamers are willing to vote with their wallet. 

I think NCAA 13 has the potential to become the most eye-opening example of this generation - either when sports gamers stay away from pre-orders and first week buys, or when they go out and buy the game right away (which is almost a tradition for a lot of gamers) forgetting all about NCAA 12'sbugs/glitches. 

After NCAA 12's release woes and four patches deep with unresolved issues, we're finally going to see if gamers are willing to put their money where their mouth is.

Bo McCready: I’ve purchased every NCAA Football game since NCAA Football 99. But this year was the first that I didn’t buy the game during week one; instead, I waited for the first patch. Here we are, three patches later, and I’m still frustrated by many of the same things I was when I first played the game. Psychic DBs, strange glitches and a laughable physics engine are growing increasingly hard to ignore. 

I don’t think the NCAA blunders will be the only things that hurt sales, though. The NCAA Football team's inability to fix very visible problems sure isn't helping build goodwill. But these games have had glitches every year, and dumb saps like me line up to buy them because we love the sport and we don’t have any other option. 

Rather, it’s the success of other games that, in my opinion, might pose the greatest danger to NCAA’s sales. Hardcore sports gamers have loved the NBA 2K series for years, and the NBA 2K12 Greatest Mode and upcoming Legend’s Showcase DLC look like boundary pushers. FIFA 12 added an extremely effective set of sliders that can seriously change the gameplay experience, as well as a dramatic overhaul of the game’s physics. Other big-time series are moving forward, but NCAA Football is stepping sideways.

Chris Sanner: This is what I'm now dubbing as "The Great Video Game Experiment of 2011-12."

Consumers seem to get angry with EA a bit more each year. And this year, we were treated to a pair of games from EA Tiburon which had numerous issues -- one of which seemed mostly exempt from that sort of a fate in years past. So now what? I think now is the time we're going to see how serious gamers are about wanting better products. The question is now going to become: are gamers mindless zombies who buy something because of it's name, or are they smart and buy things because they feel it's good?

We know the inability to patch player tendencies, a major feature this year, is a short term blunder. EA has already made their money off of NCAA 12, with record sales all around. Now next year, we are going to see if they can attract more mindless zombies to the cash register or if consumers will finally take a stand against perennially broken sports products from the two biggest publishers in this genre. Only time will tell.

What about you, OS members? What is your take on the future of sports gaming and the NCAA Football series?

 


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# 41 TajDeni @ 11/05/11 01:59 PM
i didnt read thru every post so my apologies if this has already been mentioned...

while player tendencies is a huge issue and the ppl who this effects most have every right to be fed up. what i would like an answer to is how all the media outlets and folks from the community posted all those videos and articles about NCAA 12, yet not 1 person mentioned that custom playbooks was a disaster. seriously how does that happen.

not 1 review that i read about the game mention that custom playbooks was a completely broken feature. how about this, maybe i was content with ncaa 11 but i went out and spent the money on '12 because of the publicized feature of custom playbooks, yet 10's of reviews came out and not 1 review from a major media gameing outlet mentions that custome playbooks doesnt work. can someone involved please explain how something like this is even possible.

1 trip into and 1 exit out of custom playbooks and i knew there was a major problem, i cant speak for anyone else but its gettin to a point if its not already there where the customers cant trust EA or the various outlets to provide us with the truth...

they do realise we work 4 our money dont they...

this is not a rant, i would like an answer, please.
 
# 42 Playmakers @ 11/06/11 04:54 AM
I used to get upset over NCAA 12.....the game turned out to be more hype than substance this year.

I've pretty much gone back exclusively to NCAA 11 and don't even sweat it no more.

NCAA 11 actually offers up some very solid gameplay and the sliders all work the way they are suppose to work.

So for me personally NCAA 11 & Madden 12 have allowed me to enjoy some football games this year.

Next year i can gurantee myself i won't be buying NCAA 13 on release day. I will waite about 2-4 weeks before i give in because i'm tired of the half @$$ job by this company on their college game. You simply don't know what your going to get from year to year anymore.
 
# 43 carnalnirvana @ 11/06/11 09:24 AM
its not even about the $65 anymore for me.....i can afford it easily....

its not even about the(new issues)like tendencies being broken, we are already all accustomed to something being broken year to year.....

its about the same issues year to year not being fixed/addressed while something new will be introduced again next year..

i just fix the tendencies for my conference, ncaa has become like an rpg for me i find myself spending more time in menu's(edit player) and grinding trials for my edits than actually playing for fun.... its pathetic
 
# 44 southriver @ 11/06/11 04:46 PM
I just wish we could get 2 year development cycles instead of "pushing another game out the door" just so EA can get their bank account full. No other Genre puts out a continuing title every year. These developers need time and 1 year is NOT enough.
 
# 45 canes21 @ 11/06/11 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by southriver
I just wish we could get 2 year development cycles instead of "pushing another game out the door" just so EA can get their bank account full. No other Genre puts out a continuing title every year. These developers need time and 1 year is NOT enough.
Call of Duty....
 
# 46 Playmakers @ 11/06/11 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by carnalnirvana
its not even about the $65 anymore for me.....i can afford it easily....

its not even about the(new issues)like tendencies being broken, we are already all accustomed to something being broken year to year.....

its about the same issues year to year not being fixed/addressed while something new will be introduced again next year..

i just fix the tendencies for my conference, ncaa has become like an rpg for me i find myself spending more time in menu's(edit player) and grinding trials for my edits than actually playing for fun.... its pathetic
well for starters i think these issues occur every year because EA IMO doesn't have any real game testers

i honestly believe they use the OS community and few others to be their game testers....from a business standpoint it's smart because you don't have to pay anyone to test your games

From a consumer standpoint it sucks unless your just a casual gamer who doesn't really get into under the hood things
 
# 47 Radja @ 11/06/11 08:03 PM
this has as much to do with EA as the people who review the game. i traded in a bunch of games for this based on the review so i am not out much. but no review mentioned anything. in fact, with some of the broken features, some reviews hyped them even more than EA.

i will never buy a game (or trade for) based on reviews ever again. that includes OS. their review failed on some pretty big glitches also to meet the deadline. in fact, the simulation and long term dynasty features were given glowing remarks.
 
# 48 Layoneil @ 11/07/11 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by canes21
Call of Duty....
CoD has Treyarch and Infinity Ward alternating every 2 years. those games also have very different sales numbers and budgets.
 
# 49 thelasthurtknee @ 11/07/11 11:59 AM
I agree with alot of what you guys say but I believe that this issue trully comes from the crappy engine built for madden and ncaa very early on in the life of this gen then putting layer upon layer on top of it in coding and never really having the base they needed. I don't buy the tester bs. they have hundreds of testers right her in Baton Rouge. two years ago they found over 300,000 bugs they removed. But you have to remember the testers have a short time and they are trully lookiing for game crashes and coding issues that would cause the game to not work. and yea they missed a few but the testers probably arent looking for things like if a balanced qb turns into a pocket passer when you edit him. but the guys in house who are playing every day and supposed to know football should of caught it. its just layer upon layer of crap until they don't release the game every year. hopefully they learned their lesson and don't rush to release this title on next gen. it was garbage for three years on this gen while they put out the best ncaa titles on ps2 during that time. Ive been playing this title since the bill walsh days and never been so upset with a ncaa title but at the same time it has the most potential of all the games they have ever made. its hard to support such a flawed game. and as far a ben goes, that fat lazy f u c k better get it together because he is a big reason ea tiburon looks like a joke. i find it beyond funny that they made a show of the making of this enormous turd. SEC, got to thank you for your work on trying to make this game playable. I have to play as a OC to use ur sliders without the patches which made it so easy to run the ball even on heisman that the game was unplayable for me. You brought me back in.. much thanks brother. and if someone has a problem with my opinion on ben, grow a pair. that *** clown is a joke of a leader and looked how fast he became invisible when he realized how bad it was. P U S S Y !!!!!!
 
# 50 BigDuke @ 11/07/11 12:58 PM
I didn't purchase NCAA 12 until after the second patch. Now I wish I hadn't.

I won't be purchasing NCAA 13 on release day, if at all. Will wait to see what/how many bugs will be in that game.
 
# 51 dan_457 @ 11/07/11 02:17 PM
The problem itself lies in the EA "mothership", and their mentality. It's bled down to all the developers they own, and it shows. EA does not give a single **** about it's customers, and I don't know if some of you have seen the horror stories involving EA's customer service and Origin, but it's bad. At this point all you can expect is the bare minimum from most EA titles, even Battlefield 3 has it's fair share of issues. Until EA actually get's a reality check, nothing, absolutely nothing is going to change.
 
# 52 LucianoJJ @ 11/07/11 10:42 PM
The best case scenario is to dig in and patch the bugs and slap a NCAA Football 13 label on it for release in July 2012. Fix the option, the CPU AI, psychic DBs, CPU option D, crowd audio, etc. Tiburon won't go with a new engine this gen. That might be more trouble than it's worth. I might go get a copy of NCAA 11 used, not worry about running the option, and just have fun again. NCAA 11 was the best in this gen, IMO.

Overall, it's been a rough year for college football. The conference changes, the exploitation of players, major scandals and poor play in the Big 10...all have tainted the sport.
 
# 53 mdiggitydawg @ 11/07/11 11:41 PM
excellent read....the sad fact that EA shows no sign of listening to us, the consumer, on these boards is extremely frustrating. I traded mine in 2 weeks ago for a lousy 16.50. I have finally reached the point where I will not purchase 2013 until I know it works...I love the college game...look forward to it...and lately get disappointed by it...no more....I hope the rest of my fellow consumers do the same...rent it from game fly, red box or anywhere else...but DO NOT GIVE YOUR HARD EARNED 60 TO EA FOR CRAP! The only thing that may make them change is to hit them where it hurts, their bottom line...and if they don't change, then they'll just give up. either way...you save your 60 for something else....
 
# 54 timmg @ 11/07/11 11:42 PM
It would'nt surprise me if the tendencies were hidden from now on....we would'nt know if they changed if they were'nt visible to begin with
 
# 55 steelernation28 @ 11/08/11 02:26 PM
This generation of EA footall games has been a failure. This was the first NCAA title I bought since '09 (what a bad year thats was) and '12 will be my last in this generation. I traded NCAA and got 20 bucks for it, but I was just happy to get it out of my collection. Every time I looked at it it irked the hell outta me that it was such a frustrating football experience
 
# 56 huskerwr38 @ 11/08/11 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by timmg
It would'nt surprise me if the tendencies were hidden from now on....we would'nt know if they changed if they were'nt visible to begin with
That wouldn't surprise me one bit. They will just hide the tendency and say it was fixed. They do things like this all the time where something doesn't work right and they either just remove it or "break" something else so that it isn't so bad. For instance, one year the pursuit angles were so messed up that in order to fix it they added a stutter to the ball carrier on longer runs so that the defense can catch up to them a little easier. What a lazy work around that was.
 
# 57 Darkeus @ 11/08/11 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Layoneil
CoD has Treyarch and Infinity Ward alternating every 2 years. those games also have very different sales numbers and budgets.
Infinity Ward does not exist anymore.

Sledgehammer Games made MW3.

And it is the same thing every year....
 
# 58 Darkeus @ 11/08/11 08:34 PM
This NCAA was a failure. I actually traded it in before Winter was over. I have never done that before in my life.

The game is just bad and I think they may have burned the last bridge. I do not think NCAA 2013 is going to sell very well. I know I am going to wait and sift through the actual complaints and the trivial complaining before I even consider touching NCAA 13. I hope many others take this stance. EA has to know that we are not going to keep buying the same old crap.

And then I buy NBA 2k12 and now I hear it is broken too or something. What is it with sports games these days? Hell, what is it with game companies these days? Too much reliance on first day patches (Even Skyrim is getting a first day patch, just sad.) Why the hell are we paying 60 bucks to beta test games? Patches have become a crutch in the larger scheme of gaming. The culture of game development has become stagnant.
 
# 59 Kingfish @ 11/08/11 10:36 PM
I am with most on here, IF I buy NCAA13 it will be used. I won't be paying EA for anything until I hear what some honest reviews have to say...and if thats December, so be it.

EA needs an enema...
 

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