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PES 2011 Demo Roundtable

1. Best thing in the demo?

TD St. Matthew-Daniel -
The player models, hands down. PES 2011 probably has the best depiction of real-life athletes I've seen in a video game. The faces are well crafted and jerseys wrinkle and reshape naturally depending on the player's movement.

Christian McLeod - I completely agree with TD in that the player models in PES 2011 are simply outstanding. For as impressive as that "other soccer game" demo was, the player models always seemed a bit on the malnourished side. Just as TD said, based on the demo, PES 2011 looks to feature some of the most realistic player models to ever be included in a sports video game.

2. Biggest Disappointment?

TD St. Matthew-Daniel - Presentation is still behind every other major sports game on the market. Konami's infamous funky background music and sub-par on-screen graphics still lack the hi-tech look that's expected in today's world of gaming. Back in the day, when FIFA gameplay lagged behind that of the PES series, this could be forgiven -- not anymore.

Christian McLeod - Again, I agree with TD on this one. Presentation has always been a big achilles heel for the PES series, and based on the demo, the 2011 version of the game looks no different. Based on presentation alone, I feel like I'm playing a Nintendo 64 game.

 


3. The gameplay is _______ (fill in the blank).

TD St. Matthew-Daniel - Both authentic and tedious at the same time. It's free flowing, there's more variety and a lot more user skill is required. But with this added control comes quite a steep learning curve both for newcomers and PES veterans alike. The new passing system requires that you both direct and give your passes the right amount of power to get the ball to your target. In other words, be prepared to miss quite a few passes a game, especially through balls, if you're not focused on each attempt.

Christian McLeod - HARDCORE! I'll admit it, I'm a casual soccer gaming fan. Because I am sort of on the casual side of things, I am completely overwhelmed by the depth and control scheme featured in the demo. I can see hardcore soccer junkies absolutely eating this up, but if you are more of a "pick up and play" type of soccer gamer, get ready for an exercise in frustration unless you dedicate the time to master the controls. I applaud Konami for catering more towards the fanatics, but I think the company is going to end up hurting its own overall sales by intimidating soccer gamers like myself..

4. Any other things catch your eye?

TD St. Matthew-Daniel - Penalties are taken in the same "telecast" view you play with in the outfield. Hopefully the camera angle isn't the same in the full version because it totally takes away from the one-on-one feeling between the penalty-taker and the goalie. Also, ball physics are erratic sometimes. An over-hit pass that at first glance seems to be pushed too far ahead of your target will all of a sudden slow down just before it crosses the sideline.

Christian McLeod - As impressed as I am with the player models in the demo, the animations seem to be severely lacking in my opinion. Player movement seems stiff and robotic, and I don't get the sense that my CPU teammates are organically interacting with the pitch. I just don't get the sense that "anything can happen" with regards to my CPU AI teammates, and I am frequently seeing the same patterns being run by them. I know every game contains predetermined AI teammate programming, but other games seem to cover this up in such a manner that the action feels more fluid.

5. Overall, is PES' stock up or down?

TD St. Matthew-Daniel - I honestly believe PES 2011 does a better job portraying the game of soccer and how it is played than the FIFA series. However, all the manual control gamers are given might prove to be excessive for the non-hardcore soccer fans and difficult to learn for the regulars. Konami's latest effort might be more rewarding once you become familiar with the gameplay, but at the moment, PES 2011 won't be stealing any fans from the more fun soccer gaming experience known as FIFA 11.

Christian McLeod - Neither. It's holding steady. Look for PES 2011's stock to rise amongst the soccer elite of the world and drop amongst the casual crowd. TD may be right when he says that PES 2011 does a better job portraying how the game is played on the field, but in my opinion, FIFA does a much better job portraying the game of soccer that I watch on TV. If you can't get enough soccer and understand everything there is to know about the sport, this is your game. If you are looking for a soccer fix post World Cup 2010, look elsewhere.


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Member Comments
# 1 addybojangles @ 09/21/10 05:56 PM
Sooooooo, maybe I missed this completely, but is this demo available in the US on 360/PS3?
 
# 2 BrianFifaFan @ 09/21/10 06:21 PM
I would agree that PES' presentation is second fiddle, but only on the console versions. The PC version with mods offers some of the best presentation around. As to the gameplay, even Fifa has some pretty advanced controls, if you care to be a virtual Messi or Ronaldo. Tricks are at the heart of the game of soccer, and both try to really give you that ability to capture the magic the best in the world have to offer. IMO, PES has a less steep learning curve for the casual, with single directional stick throws, as opposed to shaped ones. What PES seems to have recaptured is the spacing and feel of the beuatiful game, as opposed as to the hectic pace of Fifa. My only expectation where PES will play second fiddle yet again is online. That's EA's bread and butter. Overall, I say PES is more soccer, and that's from BrianFifaFan. PES is headed for the top of the table again, but Fifa will probably win again this year.
 
# 3 P4N748E42 @ 09/21/10 06:28 PM
i dont often do this but feel obliged to here because i think this game will get unfairly massacred by fifa 11 sales. i was a heavy pes dude up through pes 6 and then switched to fifa 09 because at the time it felt like the better game. having played this demo ive made a switch again. the gameplay and the way the subtleties of the game are represented are frankly mindblowing in pes 2011. took me a couple matches to warm to it and to appreciate what was going on. i agree with you dudes that the casual soccer fan/soccer video game player will be turned off by the complexities and difficulty of this game. i also agree that some of the animations are a little janky--think theyve had to fudge some animations to get the outcomes theyre looking for. but for those of you who want to play the soccer game that comes closest to mimicking what happens on a real pitch.....this is your jam.
 
# 4 DirtyJerz32 @ 09/21/10 06:29 PM
I didn't even know they demo was out. Did I miss something?
 
# 5 Chivs @ 09/21/10 06:48 PM
I just don't get how they're marketing this 'Manual controls' when it's been in FIFA for god knows how long as an option and was never even announced as a feature, yet PES seem to be treating it as their main new feature. Hmm.
 
# 6 LingeringRegime @ 09/21/10 06:49 PM
I am hardly a hardcore Soccer guy, but the controls don't "intimidate" me in the least. In fact the way that Konami has mapped feints to the right stick, they are a lot less "intimidating" than FIFA. The gameplay is so much more organic and less scripeted that FIFA as well.
 
# 7 Strngboy @ 09/21/10 06:52 PM
PES this year feels like the real thing, i.e. it gives more of an authentic feel on the field. It is a great game -- last two seasons it has been all Fifa, but this year it has changed hands -- at least based off of the demos. Fifa feels the same as last season and relies too much on speed and strength.

Nevertheless, Fifa offers the best overall online experience with virtual pro, 11 v. 11, and 1 v. 1 modes. With that, I hope that this year PES will have a much better online experience with Master League online and better 5 v. 5 games.

I usually get both games for the reasons above, but I think this year PES will be getting most of my attention.

Btw, why is a casual soccer player reviewing the demo???
 
# 8 Strngboy @ 09/21/10 06:54 PM
@ Chivs

It has been in PES for a long time as well. They have just remapped and utilized it differently this year.
 
# 9 milin @ 09/21/10 07:36 PM
PES feels great this year to me. I find it already too easy for me to score vs the CPU. I need Superstar difficulty. Also, I hated the PS3 demo, but on PC this game is pretty sweet with an Xbox 360 controller.
 
# 10 cadalyst17 @ 09/21/10 08:07 PM
This comment hit the nail on the head!!

"PES 2011 does a better job portraying how the game is played on the field, but in my opinion, FIFA does a much better job portraying the game of soccer that I watch on TV."
 
# 11 JohnDoe8865 @ 09/21/10 08:24 PM
Is the demo going to see a NA release?
 
# 12 MoutonDocile @ 09/21/10 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe8865
Is the demo going to see a NA release?
If your on PS3, just setup an UK account and download it from the UK PStore.
 
# 13 KG @ 09/21/10 10:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chivs
I just don't get how they're marketing this 'Manual controls' when it's been in FIFA for god knows how long as an option and was never even announced as a feature, yet PES seem to be treating it as their main new feature. Hmm.
It's been in FIFA but it's never been enforced and/or the only setting. PES is making everyone relearn how to pass and use manual passing. FIFA still gives folks the option of Fully Assisted passing which lets folks ping-pong pass the ball up the pitch. Online is fun vs your friends who use Semi or Manual controls but playing some random with everything on assisted is not fun for me anymore.


Quote:
Originally Posted by cadalyst17
This comment hit the nail on the head!!

"PES 2011 does a better job portraying how the game is played on the field, but in my opinion, FIFA does a much better job portraying the game of soccer that I watch on TV."
That comment makes no sense.
 
# 14 The Snowman @ 09/21/10 10:44 PM
am i missing something here? where can i find the demo on the ps3? i tried looking for it but i couldnt find it.
 
# 15 rckabillyRaider @ 09/21/10 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Snowman
am i missing something here? where can i find the demo on the ps3? i tried looking for it but i couldnt find it.
Only in UK and Japan right now. Create a UK account or try the pc demo if your pc can handle it
 
# 16 JohnDoe8865 @ 09/21/10 10:52 PM
What about for X360? Is it up on UK XBL?
 
# 17 milin @ 09/21/10 11:00 PM
I think the demo is in the UK marketplace, but it is probably region coded. Try Google for info.
 
# 18 thor-17 @ 09/22/10 12:00 AM
I have spent time with both demos. In FIFA, the cpu attacked me the same way over and over again. Straight up the middle. Defense was easy. Take it away in the circle, almost every time. Once the cpu had a breakaway- had a teammate to his left. My keeper commited to the man with the ball. Did the cpu pass it over for an easy goal? Nope, he just dribbled INTO my keeper, who was spralled on the ground. No goal. This is my biggest problem with FIFA. No finishing creativity.
On the other hand, in the PES demo, the cpu has scored from 35 yards out. Scored on free kicks. Passed it in the box to score. Etc... No 2 goals ever the same. On offense, it has played triangle, trying to waste time, switched the ball from left to right with a high ball just over midfield, not an early cross into the box. Any number of real world tactics, it has done it. I am thoroughly impressed with it this year.
I just hope all my edited teams cross over into pes 11.
 
# 19 cadalyst17 @ 09/22/10 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thor-17
I have spent time with both demos. In FIFA, the cpu attacked me the same way over and over again. Straight up the middle. Defense was easy. Take it away in the circle, almost every time. Once the cpu had a breakaway- had a teammate to his left. My keeper commited to the man with the ball. Did the cpu pass it over for an easy goal? Nope, he just dribbled INTO my keeper, who was spralled on the ground. No goal. This is my biggest problem with FIFA. No finishing creativity.
On the other hand, in the PES demo, the cpu has scored from 35 yards out. Scored on free kicks. Passed it in the box to score. Etc... No 2 goals ever the same. On offense, it has played triangle, trying to waste time, switched the ball from left to right with a high ball just over midfield, not an early cross into the box. Any number of real world tactics, it has done it. I am thoroughly impressed with it this year.
I just hope all my edited teams cross over into pes 11.
You do realize the FIFA demo is not a finished product. it's months old
 
# 20 cadalyst17 @ 09/22/10 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KG
That comment makes no sense.
Of course it does PES has great depth in tactics and creativity just like a true soccer game and where FIFA Lacks in depth they more than make up for it in the organic department. FIFA is smooth as butter with 360 movement-tons of animations of players constantly sticking their legs out, keepers changing direction in the air etc...... whereas in PES I would leap with joy when I see a striker making an awesome move past a defender but then I am greatly dismayed when you look at that same defender and see he was standing absolutely still.

Purely from an aesthetic point of view FIFA looks like soccer whereas PES plays like soccer.
 

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