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Should we compare console games to text sims?

Two months ago I wrote a piece titled "Does MLB 10: The Show Belong in the Text-Sim Hall of Fame?" There were 33 reader comments about the piece and only one was somewhat positive. The other 32 commenters wondered why Operation Sports would bother publishing something so silly.

I stand behind the content of the piece, but I would like a mulligan on the headline. Obviously, The Show does not belong in the text-sim hall of fame. My main goal was to compare The Show to other text sims and see how it stacked up. Instead of giving the piece a generic title like "How Does the Show Compare to a Text Sim?" I wanted to make it a little a more interesting. I put text-sim hall of fame in the headline thinking it would get a reaction. It did.

After going through the many disparaging comments, I came away asking myself another question: Should we compare console sports games to text sims?

Commenter jbaldwin311 said the following about The Show and Out of the Park Baseball (OOTP): "The two games are completely different play styles and are good in their own rights but should not be compared or put into the same type of game. (outside of both being a baseball game)."

I could not disagree more with this comment. Developers of both console games and text sims attempt to capture the realism of the sport that they are attempting to re-create. They obviously go about it different ways but that does not mean we should not compare the two.

A good console game delivers incredible graphics, realistic sounds and a feeling that you are actually on the field controlling the action. A good text sim delivers statistical depth, customization options and a feeling that the research you put into scouting and management determines your success rate.

Console titles have million-dollar budgets, entire teams of people working on specific aspects of the game and the backing of major corporations. Text sims are usually developed by one or two-person teams in their spare time and promoted exclusively on the Web.

Nevertheless, I think we are doing a disservice to gamers everywhere if we do not hold console titles to some of the same standards we hold text sims to. By doing some of the things that text sims get right, console developers would give customers much more complete and immersive games.

Now, I am not a game developer, but is it really that difficult to incorporate aspects of great text sims into console titles? Why can’t Madden’s sim engine produce realistic statistics? Why can’t an expansion option be added to the The Show or MLB 2K? Am I wrong to assume that console gamers, even if they have no idea what a text sim is, would rejoice if certain text sim aspects were incorporated into console games?

jbaldwin311 thinks we should not compare The Show to OOTP. Obviously, I understand that they are two completely different games. But I do not think they are trying to capture different audiences.

In my opinion, modern console gamers want complete games. This does not necessarily mean they want everything to be as deep as a text sim. However, they would appreciate realistic results, smart AI, a full array of realistic statistics and real-world roster rules. While users are controlling the action on the field, they want to know that the simulated world around them is realistic, challenging and meaningful.

If we do not compare console titles to text sims, we are telling developers that it is all right to overlook certain aspects of a game. We are telling Madden developers that it is OK to have players getting 35 sacks in one season. We are telling The Show developers that we are fine with minimal customization options. We are essentially saying that if the game looks and sounds great, do not bother polishing it a little to make it a truly memorable game.

When I plop down $60 for console title, I want it to be the best game it could possibly be. I want it to feel real both on the field and behind the scenes. The only way we are going to achieve that balance is if we compare console titles with text sims.


Member Comments
# 1 xblake16x @ 05/13/10 12:21 PM
i would love for the depth of my main game madden to be at the level of a text sim. Not including the RPG aspect of NFL HC 09, how close to a text sim was Head Coach 09?
 
# 2 boxboy99 @ 05/13/10 02:32 PM
Right on, good read. 100 percent agree.
 
# 3 GlennN @ 05/13/10 03:26 PM
I agree with Adam completely. There is no reason console developers, with their available resources, cannot do a better job of adding elements which were designed and implemented by one-person text sims.
 
# 4 SHAKYR @ 05/13/10 06:58 PM
yes, they should be compared because fans want gameplay depth, options, and everything else that a text-sim has to offer. Many of sport gamers are huge fans of a sport that a gaming company is trying to portray in a game.
 
# 5 mwolin @ 05/13/10 08:46 PM
I also liked your piece. Its my dream to have the depth of OTTP with the graphics, presentation of MLB. Or the gameplay of FIFA with the soccer world of football manager. I know it can be done, I just dont know why; the market would be there.
 
# 6 blackscorpion11 @ 05/14/10 08:02 PM
Console gamers don't want sim style play..Sim play is more difficult, console gamers want over the top, cartoon sports..

Is it possible to blend the two? YES, I just think most gamers don't want it.
 
# 7 SHAKYR @ 05/15/10 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by blackscorpion11
Console gamers don't want sim style play..Sim play is more difficult, console gamers want over the top, cartoon sports..

Is it possible to blend the two? YES, I just think most gamers don't want it.
Oh, they want...they want it big time. I did a survey a couple of months ago and it seems like many gamers want this. Even if it's an option fans will be into it. !0 and 13 year olds don't make up the sports gaming demographic.
 
# 8 sniperhare @ 05/15/10 10:54 PM
I would say no. I've never even heard of a text sim sports game.
 
# 9 SHAKYR @ 05/16/10 06:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sniperhare
I would say no. I've never even heard of a text sim sports game.
So why would you say no about a game/games you know nothing about? This is confusing to me.
 
# 10 Juiceman @ 05/17/10 02:01 PM
Sure, why not compare? Both games are trying to represent the realism of MLB. I play both The Show and OOTP. That said, I want the statistical accuracy of OOTP in The Show, but not necessarily the depth of OOTP in The Show. If I am playing out a game in The Show I don't really have time to manage and scout like I do in OOTP. And that right there explains why I shouldn't own both these games with a 3 month old child. No time to play them. But if I did have time to play them more I still would be satisfied with the current depth of The Show, but better accuracy in terms of statistics over the course of a franchise. I also can't play The Show on my laptop in bed. So, I need both games anyway
 
# 11 SHAKYR @ 05/18/10 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Juiceman
Sure, why not compare? Both games are trying to represent the realism of MLB. I play both The Show and OOTP. That said, I want the statistical accuracy of OOTP in The Show, but not necessarily the depth of OOTP in The Show. If I am playing out a game in The Show I don't really have time to manage and scout like I do in OOTP. And that right there explains why I shouldn't own both these games with a 3 month old child. No time to play them. But if I did have time to play them more I still would be satisfied with the current depth of The Show, but better accuracy in terms of statistics over the course of a franchise. I also can't play The Show on my laptop in bed. So, I need both games anyway
If it was optional to use the depth of OOTP wouldn't you be excited?
 
# 12 packers jersey @ 05/18/10 04:19 AM
I agree with Adam completely. There is no reason console developers, with their available resources, cannot do a better job of adding elements which were designed and implemented by one-person text sims.

Good point! Adam illustrated this well.
 
# 13 buster65 @ 05/18/10 11:04 PM
Sims? it simulates aspects of a human social environment. Why not compared? both of them represents MLB. I agree with Juiceman.
 
# 14 Draxion @ 05/20/10 11:05 AM
I'd say give us the option.
For instance in NCAA give us a casual Dynasty mode and a "Hardcore" dynasty mode.
Every ones happy.
 
# 15 bamalam @ 05/20/10 09:43 PM
wouldnt surprise to see 2k or ea buy the best of the small -time text-sim games and incorporate them into their sports games
 
# 16 SHAKYR @ 05/21/10 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bamalam
wouldnt surprise to see 2k or ea buy the best of the small -time text-sim games and incorporate them into their sports games
One text-sim maker(TBCB) and me have already been campaigning to EA, but they are stubborn.
 
# 17 beelo @ 05/23/10 05:32 PM
I would love to see the depth of some text sims in the games I play. Whether or not the publishers go that far despite complaints is beyond me.
 

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