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The Future of Basketball Gaming

From "razzle-dazzle" to Clark Kellog’s dry voice, basketball gaming is about to go full circle.

With the recent announcement of EA Sports’ NBA Jam, the future of basketball gaming is finally coming to a dead end. I am a huge fan of the original NBA Jam, and possibly more excited than anyone else to see the new Wii title, but at the same time I am disappointed in what basketball gaming is coming to.

NBA 2K10 and NBA Live 10 both faced lofty expectations (yes, the expectations for both games were on different levels), but surprisingly, Live was the only one to meet them in my mind. NBA 2K9 was a fantastic game. It made major improvements upon its predecessor, and the only real problem I had with it was the fact that the Seattle SuperSonics were no longer a team. So of course 2K10 would be way better right? Well, not quite. While it was still a good game, some nagging problems and a slow patch process hampered my enjoyment with the game -- but that's not really the point here.

To dig deeper into the 2K world, a few points need to be made. After Mike Wang announced that he was leaving EA and returning to 2K, the first thought that crossed my mind was that 2K11 would not disappoint. When Wang was at 2K, the game was great on a consistent basis, and I always noticed improvements that helped to make the game a better basketball sim.

When he left, 2K dropped off a bit -- only because they did not do as much to improve the gameplay on a yearly basis. However, I guess there is no need to fix something that is not truly broken, right? Next year we should see a much more refined game with a couple new features, but I would not expect anything huge.

Continuing on with Wang, he left EA after he made the Live series relevant again. And it was not because he just loved 2K that much better, he also had a reason to leave.

"After NBA Live 10 wrapped up and we started going through the pre-production planning phase for '11, we held several meetings to discuss the future of the franchise," Wang said to Operation Sports. "After going through those meetings, it became very clear that the vision I had for the game was different from where the leadership wanted to take it."

Ever since these statements were made by Wang, a lot of assumptions have been made. Everyone, myself included, was expecting Live 11 to possibly surpass the NBA 2K series with Wang leading the charge. Nevertheless, something went wrong here, and next fall EA’s PR representatives and development team will have to work overtime to quell the questions.

But even if both development teams are on their game next year, how many more improvements can we really see in the two major titles? Do you want to spend an extra $60 for the right color headband? How about an alternate jersey or perfectly realistic simulation stats? Sure, those additions would be nice and are expected each year, but can you continue to rationalize spending the money each year?

People want to see perfect player models and movements on the court, but I feel those will never be up to people's standards -- simply because no engine can perfectly mimic the human body. People also want to see more depth in the Dynasty/Association modes, which in my opinion is the only area in either game that really can continue to be built upon on a yearly basis.

Now, some will say that companies will be saved by the next generation of gaming. When the PlayStation 4 and Xbox 720 (hypothetical names) hit store shelves, graphics will once again be the new thing everyone looks at. The graphics will distract some gamers enough that they will not notice the flaws in the games -- remember NBA Live '07 (do not bother mentioning NBA Live '06, I loved that game) and the joke that it was? Well, NBA Live '07 was a byproduct of the new systems being released. This process has to inevitably happen again, right?

But now let me return to NBA Jam. As I said earlier, I am both excited and disappointed. I cannot wait to play the game, but if a company as big as EA is revamping an old arcade game, this means EA has to be running a little low on ideas and gimmicks to add to its realistic counterpart, NBA Live. NBA Jam is and forever will be my favorite basketball game -- beating down friends in the third grade and full-court jamming with my college roommates are the highlights of my gaming life. In fact, just remembering back to how many times I had to play those damned Minnesota Timberwolves even brings back good memories.

That is the good of the situation, but what is the bad I keep talking about? NBA Jam is simple. I hope the new player models are the only upgrade the Jam series is getting. I want the arcade-style, ladder-climbing system back. I want it to play exactly how it did in its glory days. But the bad thing about that scenario is the fact that it would just be the arcade-style, ladder-climbing game we grew to love.

This scenario, though, is very similar to the one simulation titles are also in today. Simulation basketball games seem to be reaching the ceiling, so what do the big boys do? They remake an old game everybody loved in hopes that consumers will be content with the past.

Still, maybe that is too big of a conspiracy theory to buy into -- I am not really trying to say NBA Jam is coming out to make people forget about the simulation titles, more just making a correlation between the two hoops genres.

Beyond the big boys of the basketball genre, I also know plenty of people are praying that Sony will come out with NBA 11 this year on the PS3. However, while the Sony baseball game is possibly the best sports game on the market, maybe people should just hope the game is announced before placing expectations on it.

I realize I have been ignoring the college side of the game, but that is only because basketball gaming sucks now for people who are not fans of the NBA. With the recent announcement of EA’s NCAA Basketball franchise getting put on hold, college basketball gaming may have bit the dust for good. After all, 2K has not shown any interest in a college game, even though College Hoops 2K8 is one of the best basketball games ever.

OK, so I realize this article has been kind of doom and gloom. Yes, I have said I think basketball gaming is coming to a dead end in the sizable improvements category, but my love for the game will always supplant my wallet. I hate when these games come out every year. I tell myself to wait, that I cannot afford it, and then I go out and buy NBA 2K and $60 vanishes for another copy of NBA 2K8 with some improvements. Do I still enjoy it? of course. But do I also realize many gamers are not going to keep buying the same game year after year? Of course.


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# 1 Pared @ 02/16/10 11:46 AM
This is such a terrible article.

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But even if both development teams are on their game next year, how many more improvements can we really see in the two major titles? Do you want to spend an extra $60 for the right color headband? How about an alternate jersey or perfectly realistic simulation stats? Sure, those additions would be nice and are expected each year, but can you continue to rationalize spending the money each year?
You want to make this argument, you can make it for the ENTIRE sports gaming industry. People want accurate EVERYTHING and you can't fault them for that.

People have lowered expectations across the board next year. All for varying reasons.. and some of them without merit IMO. Just over-reaction to the move by Wang.
 
# 2 bigsmallwood @ 02/16/10 12:05 PM
I think that there is plenty of room for growth in this generation of Basketball gaming. The problem is the companies have been able to keep giving us slop and we as consumers have accepted lowered expectations. WHo cares about the sweat on Kobes forehead if he does not play like him....I don't need Latin Night Jerseys if the teams donning the jerseys do not play within their individual styles.

People want accuracy as Pared stated above....

And NBA Live and NBA 2K need to step their games up beyond NBA Jam level...we want a PROPER representation of the sport of Basketball. Xbox 720 and PS4 won't change that....graphics are only going to capture realism to a point...then we will still need Greatness within the gameplay to make it all work.
 
# 3 GrandMaster B @ 02/16/10 12:06 PM
Nba Jam is only on the Wii. That is what is terrible about it.
 
# 4 Boilerbuzz @ 02/16/10 12:19 PM
LOL. You lost me at the beginning when you implied 2K9 is better than 2K10. I know 2k10 released with some issues, but even then it was far better than 2K9. But that's just my opinion.
 
# 5 rspencer86 @ 02/16/10 12:20 PM
"How many more improvements can we really see in the two major titles?"

Play an online ranked game in 2K10 and try telling me that were are close to reaching the full potential. We are still light-years away from where I want to be in this area. The game should reward those who understand basketball fundamentals and know their team's strengths and weaknesses, not those who turbo into the lane with LeBron and D-Wade every possession.

Not to mention neither game has even attempted a true, fully-functioning online franchise mode yet.

My Player mode still has a ton of potential.

Gameplay wise, there is still a lot of work left to be done. Players and teams still don't play according to their tendencies, player movement is generally awful, and court spacing/defensive recovery time still leaves a lot to be desired.

So to answer the question for 2K's part, there are still a LOT of improvements that are needed and should be expected.
 
# 6 JBH3 @ 02/16/10 12:35 PM
NBA 2K10 is quite possibly the greatest sports game I've ever played. Having never played "The Show" though I can't say it IS the G.O.A.T, but for me...it is.

With that said, I'm thoroughly disappointed w/ the 2nd patch, but regardless NBA2K10 is a great GREAT game. No other 360 title offers as much in-depth franchise (association) options as 2K10.

There's still a lot of work to be done on NBA2Ks association product too. Better gameplay AI, better off-court decision making e.g. player acquisitions, drafting, etc.

MyPlayer is still in it's infancy. At it's core is a fun game, but it's just a skeletal frame right now. The mode though sets a precedent for basketball gaming, and if improved upon is a BIG part of the future of basketball gaming.
 
# 7 jeebs9 @ 02/16/10 01:28 PM
I was pretty shocked myself when he said 2k9 was had just a few changes to 2k10!
 
# 8 jsquigg @ 02/16/10 01:46 PM
NBA 2k8 was significantly better than 2k9 IMO. I do think that not much has been done since 2k8 to improve the game. In fact, the online experience has gone down the crapper.
 
# 9 jWILL253 @ 02/16/10 04:29 PM
People are REALLY missing the point on this article.

He's saying that both 2K's and EA's titles are at a crossroads. Both games were damn good this year, but both series seemed to have peaked (which says a lot more for Live 10 than it does for 2K10). College basketball sims are about as dead as Michael Jackson right now, and people don't wanna pay $40-60 for re-issues of the same game with new paint. Especially since developer focus and PR focus seem to be differentiating extremely...
 
# 10 JBH3 @ 02/16/10 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jWILL10
People are REALLY missing the point on this article.

He's saying that both 2K's and EA's titles are at a crossroads. Both games were damn good this year, but both series seemed to have peaked (which says a lot more for Live 10 than it does for 2K10). College basketball sims are about as dead as Michael Jackson right now, and people don't wanna pay $40-60 for re-issues of the same game with new paint. Especially since developer focus and PR focus seem to be differentiating extremely...
That's the point though. Who said they are at a crossroads? You've got gamers here in this thread saying they need to tighten down the reigns in a multitude of areas. Before we have a sports game that doesn't require some amount of community support to fix an issue affecting the integrity of the game I'd say we are NOT at a crossroads.

That's evident when you go to the "Non-Sports" games forum. The general consensus on posts in those threads are "How Do I unlock this" or "How do I find that". Not "How do I make the big man 3pt shooting glitch go away", or "Why aren't there any players in the free agent pool".
 
# 11 EvanRG @ 02/16/10 05:18 PM
"This is a horrible article."

I agree.
 
# 12 NELL86 @ 02/16/10 06:34 PM
lmao nba 2k10 the best sports game i want what yall smoking cuz both hoop games where terrible this year and thats from a hoop fan
 
# 13 bjones16 @ 02/17/10 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JBH3
NBA 2K10 is quite possibly the greatest sports game I've ever played. Having never played "The Show" though I can't say it IS the G.O.A.T, but for me...it is.

With that said, I'm thoroughly disappointed w/ the 2nd patch, but regardless NBA2K10 is a great GREAT game. No other 360 title offers as much in-depth franchise (association) options as 2K10.

There's still a lot of work to be done on NBA2Ks association product too. Better gameplay AI, better off-court decision making e.g. player acquisitions, drafting, etc.

MyPlayer is still in it's infancy. At it's core is a fun game, but it's just a skeletal frame right now. The mode though sets a precedent for basketball gaming, and if improved upon is a BIG part of the future of basketball gaming.
This is by far one of the most ignorant comments. 2k10 one of the best sports games ever?? WOW! Are you talking about the same game with no foot planting, player skating, no player control, and not mid range game. How many points do you score in the paint in your games??

Both games are flawed and neither one will probably be much better next year but Im sorry guys....Live is closer to perfection.
 
# 14 st0rmb11 @ 02/17/10 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by bjones16
This is by far one of the most ignorant comments. 2k10 one of the best sports games ever?? WOW! Are you talking about the same game with no foot planting, player skating, no player control, and not mid range game. How many points do you score in the paint in your games??

Both games are flawed and neither one will probably be much better next year but Im sorry guys....Live is closer to perfection.

He said it's one of the greatest sports games HE'S EVER PLAYED. he didn't say it was one of the best ever.
 
# 15 JBH3 @ 02/17/10 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bjones16
This is by far one of the most ignorant comments. 2k10 one of the best sports games ever?? WOW! Are you talking about the same game with no foot planting, player skating, no player control, and not mid range game. How many points do you score in the paint in your games??

Both games are flawed and neither one will probably be much better next year but Im sorry guys....Live is closer to perfection.
Reading is fundamental.

Out the box 2K10, like any other 2K title or sports title for that matter, sucks. However, w/ the right slider combination you can find a wonderful game waiting. Anything worth doing is worth doing well, so you have to find the slider combination suitable to your style of play.

As for PIP I play as the 6ers and get a lot of points off of Igoudala and Louis Williams driving to the lane. However, I do nurture a mid-range game, and have the user/CPU tendency sliders set so that there's a good amount of mid-range jumpers being taken.

Live being closer to perfection is h i l a r i o u s. You can't even fire a coach in their pathetic "dynasty" mode. Larry Brown or Jerry Sloan would be coaching their respective teams if you somehow decided to play to 2020 in that silly mode. That's just issue #1 in a laundry list of issues w/ Live.

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Originally Posted by st0rmb11
He said it's one of the greatest sports games HE'S EVER PLAYED. he didn't say it was one of the best ever.
Thank you.
 
# 16 Epiffani @ 02/17/10 03:34 PM
I really don't know why I read any further after an opening like this:

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NBA 2K9 was a fantastic game. It made major improvements upon its predecessor, and the only real problem I had with it was the fact that the Seattle SuperSonics were no longer a team. So of course 2K10 would be way better right? Well, not quite.


In my opinion, the improvements from 2K8 to 2K9 were either marginal, or cosmetic; 2K9 was definitely the better looking game between the two, but still you have to factor in the areas where the series regressed (i.e. controls, A.I), and areas that weren't improved on (i.e. spacing). In short, there's no way that I'd consider NBA 2K9 a "major improvement" over NBA 2K8 and then turn around and say that NBA 2K10 isn't a major improvement over 2K9. Sounds completely counter-productive when you take into account the innovation and feature that was incorporated into this years effort.
I have to agree that this is a terrible article; hard for me to even remember O.S releasing an article with so many holes and flawed logic within it.
 
# 17 eDotd @ 02/17/10 04:32 PM
Yea, I stopped reading after he said 2K9 > 2K10.

Let me guess, 2K needs a new engine?
 
# 18 J_Posse @ 02/17/10 05:00 PM
The article was pretty flawed, IMO. I've got no problem with someone enjoying an arcade based title like NBA Jam, but it's ludicrous to say that those title's should be revered and improved, while sim titles like NBA Live and NBA 2K have reached their peak.

That's completely false since sim titles have a broader level of depth and realism to still aspire to and (hopefully) reach. There are so many aspects and nuances of the sport that still haven't been captured in any basketball title. I hope the developers don't buy into this sort of mindset and realize that their "hardcore" audience sees that big, huge improvements are still needed to be made.
 
# 19 jeebs9 @ 02/17/10 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Epiffani
I have to agree that this is a terrible article; hard for me to even remember O.S releasing an article with so many holes and flawed logic within it.
I totally agree....
 
# 20 DustinT @ 02/17/10 07:38 PM
Where in this article is it mentioned 2k9 is better than 2k10?
 

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