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NFL 2K5: Will Own Your Soul; Madden just continues to get old
Posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:27 PM.
Which brings us to NFL 2K5's domination over Next-Gen Madden. We are nearly 6years into Next-Gen football and Madden is still measured against 2K5. Why is this? Lets GET FOCUSED! And Lets examine this situation:
Presentation
After 20years, ownership of the ESPN license, and an exclusive NFL license that keeps 2Ksports and others from making an NFL game with official likeness and players, YET there is poor presence of it in their game.
2K5's presentation is still the standard. FULL ESPN integration through out the game! Everything from Chris Berman and the Half-time show down to Suzy Kolber, to the after the game interviews!!!
Look at Madden 10's Extra Point and then go watch 2K5's ESPN Half-time Show....you are guaranteed to NEVER want anything less than 2K5's and you will wonder why Madden is still dragging its feet on doing what should have been years ago!
Madden 10 flaunted the Blue Angel Jets flying over the Super Bowl and opening day.....NFL 2K5 had this in its game for a whopping 5years now. And speaking of the Superbowl, look at 2K5s.....when you play or watch it....it looks SPECTACULAR! Teams run on the field out of the Giant NFC/AFC Helmets, The Commentary speaks about both coaches as they trot out on the field....there are camera men moving around.....the highlights are Super Bowl worthy when they show your team not only celebrating on the field, but going inside the locker room, where you see players going wild!!!! The whole Atmosphere surrounding 2K5 is STUNNING to say the least.
Madden on the other hand is far from being where they need to be in the presentation department. They made a few strides this year with the addition of chain gangs and the officials deciding if you scored a TD or came up short....but ultimately Madden is still consistently coming up short!
Gameplay
Winning isn't everything, its the Only thing.
In this aspect of the game NFL 2K5 wins....and it wins BIG! Madden has seemingly refused to address the Mario running by WR's/Running backs.....WR/DB interactions are horrendous, the offensive and defensive line play leaves much to be desired, why don't blockers BLOCK the Defenders they are supposed to!!!! Trying to get a sack in Madden w/o cheesing is more of a challenge than it should be! you can place Wes Welker as your OT to block Albert Hanyesworth and he will win everytime....Yes this is very sad, because it proves that the problem lies withing Maddens programming. Try the same thing with 2K5 and watch how Welker would be dominated....2K5 STILL shows new animations and the outcome is determined by your playcalling.
We know what the issues are with Madden...the question is WHY haven't they fixed it? And when are they going to address it? Patch #2 for Madden 10 has done little to give any type of faith that these issues will be addressed any time soon.
How does 2K5 have ALOT of replays!!!! And an option to tone them down if you feel there is too much....yet, Madden 10 will rarely show a replay after you score a TD.....even if its of epic proportions....record breaking or otherwise. The replays need a massive OVERHAUL and there is no reason why there is no accompanying commentary describing the Highlights.
In 2K5 you can manually assign a double team really easy and also hot route your defender to counter the offense and what they are trying to do against you on the field. Meanwhile, in Madden, you are able to call Defensive audibles, but not to the level of complexity that NFL 2K5 offers.
Winning isn't everything, its the only thing.
2K5 clearly thought about winning when they made this game. They were not making excuses about a 1year dev cycle or saying that gamers should appreciate any "gimmicky" features....they went out and used 32 NFL players of all DIFFERENT levels and you can tell the difference between SuperStars in 2K5 rather than in Madden where most teams play the exact same, you cannot really tell the difference between Larry Fitzgerald and some rookie out of South Idaho State. Madden needs to adjust the way they Mo-Cap and also they need to change the way they approach the differences in the way teams play. Sliders can't fix everything.
Why do the defensive backs go into that weird and unrealistic animation where they miss the interception and you catch the ball*FREEZE* instead of you going on to score a TD or pad your YAC stats.....you are SUCKED back into a tackle by the same defender who missed the INT and whose momentum should have carried them forward not into some Matrix style animations....you have NEVER seen this in the 2K series.
the CPU in 2K5 will sit on the ball once they have a huge lead in order to milk the clock....Madden will continue to throw the ball and give you a chance to get the ball back!
The Commentary in 2K5 will highlight if Randy Moss is struggling they crew will highlight it!!! In Madden its barely noticed. The commentators will use a telestrator in replays to highlight penalty calls and big blocks on certain plays!
Notice a theme? Anything that Madden does, 2K5 does it far and away better. Madden does have some bright spots, but it is nowhere near where it should be. AP2K8's gameplay on the field is better than 2K5's....so what does that say for Madden?
Why does Madden not seem to want to win? 2k5 put out a classic game all the way around( even though it had a few flaws....not bad for the pre-patch era)! Madden seems content putting out the same game year after year and continuing to create "old" features and paint them as new. We all want Madden to be a WINNER, however after placing a stranglehold on the NFL License, thus eliminating 2k5, SCEA Football, NFL Fever, NFL Gameday and a slew of other NFL games that showed promise.....Madden MUST deliver. We cannot keep giving them a pass year after year, and the game is still full of bugs and a failure to launch every year. I challenge the developers to step up to the plate and truly MAKE us forget about NFL 2K5.
Please don't slap ESPN/CBS integration into Madden 10 and feed it to us as Madden 11 (sound familiar *cough, cough* NCAA Basketball *cough, cough*)
2K5 OWNS YOUR SOUL in EVERY CAPACITY....EPSN 25th Year Anniversary is a brilliant mode (aka Maddens Moments inspiration)....2K5's VIP is FAR and away better than Maddens IQ mode where the game becomes more "challenging" (read cheating) the further you move up. From Presentation, to Gameplay, to features (2K5's crib.....classic teams who play LIKE themselves etc.) 2K5 will own you. And while it is difficult, you will be happy once you make the adjustment.
My Advice is to EA Sports Madden brand is this: Winning isn't everything, Its the Only thing....And if Madden is not going to come out EACH and EVERY year swinging for the fences....relinquish the NFL License and let 2K back in the game....because if you see it on Sunday (Off-setting penalties, defensive holding etc) you see it in 2K5.
My Advice to gamers is simple: At least try NFL 2K5......and you should also own Madden 10. But if Madden 11 doesn't deliver.....wait until Next Gen, rather than Next year. It will save you a ton of money, time, and frustration.
And just in case EA Sports reps or my fellow OS gamers severely disagree with my assessments of Madden Next Gen.....here is a word from the man (Madden) himself:
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else. " - John Madden
Madden 11' had better be a Champion. After 6years of chasing NFL 2K5, we expect it.
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bigsmallwood @ Dec 29
@apps80.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.......you are talking a lot, but not saying anything. Save your $10 and buy yourself a personality and get a down payment on an education. You clearly are taking offense to something, when you only needed to share your opinion on THE GAMES. I have more experience with Madden than you will ever know. Go practice and when you are done, I'll be happy to coach you. 
# 32
apps80 @ Dec 29
You ever come up with anything on your own? Or do you just fill in the blanks as you go?
Your opinion is all you have shared here. You make it sound like fact, but the fact is you have some beef with EA and waste other people's time and OS resources discussing it. From what you've discussed on here you obviously have more experience with strangers in outhouses than you do with madden.
Now go ahead and reword that, and use it in your next post as your own material.
Your opinion is all you have shared here. You make it sound like fact, but the fact is you have some beef with EA and waste other people's time and OS resources discussing it. From what you've discussed on here you obviously have more experience with strangers in outhouses than you do with madden.
Now go ahead and reword that, and use it in your next post as your own material.
# 33
bigsmallwood @ Dec 29
Look Apps80: What you do in outhouses (WTF?) with strangers is your personal business. You don't like my blogs don't read it. Scram.Get Lost kid. Stop coming to my arena....maybe you get some strange form of satisfaction but you are on the wrong website. This is my last response to a loser like yourself. So go jump off a bridge.
I have no beef with EA. I actually like Madden 10....its just not the game it should be. The only time being wasted is yours. So I suggest you stop wasting your time coming here with your stupidity. You have even spoken out here on OS about your dissatisfaction with the running game.
So my final plea to you is to stop making a fool of yourself. Go express your love for Madden in the forums....not on my arena page.
I have no beef with EA. I actually like Madden 10....its just not the game it should be. The only time being wasted is yours. So I suggest you stop wasting your time coming here with your stupidity. You have even spoken out here on OS about your dissatisfaction with the running game.
So my final plea to you is to stop making a fool of yourself. Go express your love for Madden in the forums....not on my arena page.
# 34
apps80 @ Dec 30
You get an area to throw this garbage out there. Fanboyism at it's finest, and you get to broadcast. Did you pay somebody for this? Did you go to school to do this? You once again plagiarized my post, and could once again come up with no argument.
I've never once said Madden was a perfect game. It's just far and away better than 2k5. In your child like tantrum you seem to forget that the madden games of last generation didn't have the problems that this generation does in the running game. You seem to only care that 2K5 didn't because you have some nostalgic type of fix on it. I understand. I thought MVP 05 was the best baseball game of all-time for years. But then I played The Show 09, and though at first I wanted to stay loyal to MVP. As soon as I get my bias out of the way I was able to see how much better a game the Show was. All you need to do is lose your bias and you'll find, just like I told you before, that 2K5 wasn't even as good as Madden 05, which isn't as good as Madden 10.
And yes you are wasting my time, just like you said in your own post. You also wasted your own time by looking up my history on here. You got someone snapping photos of me as I go to work too?
I guess if it's your arena then you can post whatever you want, but I just ask that you get over it. You're like that guy whose girlfriend dumped him years ago and he still lays in bed five years later staring at the ceiling crying himself to sleep over it. It's been five years son. Move on. Get another puppy and start playing with it. Everybody on here will thank you for it.
I've never once said Madden was a perfect game. It's just far and away better than 2k5. In your child like tantrum you seem to forget that the madden games of last generation didn't have the problems that this generation does in the running game. You seem to only care that 2K5 didn't because you have some nostalgic type of fix on it. I understand. I thought MVP 05 was the best baseball game of all-time for years. But then I played The Show 09, and though at first I wanted to stay loyal to MVP. As soon as I get my bias out of the way I was able to see how much better a game the Show was. All you need to do is lose your bias and you'll find, just like I told you before, that 2K5 wasn't even as good as Madden 05, which isn't as good as Madden 10.
And yes you are wasting my time, just like you said in your own post. You also wasted your own time by looking up my history on here. You got someone snapping photos of me as I go to work too?
I guess if it's your arena then you can post whatever you want, but I just ask that you get over it. You're like that guy whose girlfriend dumped him years ago and he still lays in bed five years later staring at the ceiling crying himself to sleep over it. It's been five years son. Move on. Get another puppy and start playing with it. Everybody on here will thank you for it.
# 35
bigsmallwood @ Dec 30
@crabapples80: Lol Plagarizing your post? Go get a life. There is no fanboyism here....until you suit up for Sundays 6months out of the year, keep playing Madden 05 (Best in the Series) or sip some tea and enjoy Madden 10. MVP was and is still LEGENDARY. BUT MLB the Show 09 actually PASSED it in terms of quality. NFL 2K5 was and is great, but Madden 10 HAS NOT passed it. I would be the first to say so. If you read my original review of Madden 10 I was blown away by some of the gameplay mechanics and thought it was better than 2K5. In some regards it is, But in terms of presentation: NOPE, Running and WR/DB interaction: NOPE. When it does, I will be VERY VERY happy.
PEACE Fam'......(no worry no parting shots @ U)
PEACE Fam'......(no worry no parting shots @ U)
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