When is someone going to call this what it is?

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In this thread, AlexB, JPhillips, GrantDawg, albionmoonlight, and I have already called this a "coup".

Or was there another word you were looking for? Because I'm not sure what other word fits this.

SI

Yup, it’s the worlds greatest democracy having one of its two major parties and conservatively 20% of its voting population officially abandon democracy. There’s no other way to spin this.

Honestly having the states with governors, representatives and the majority of the population supporting this secede probably is the best way forward at this point. Let them run the confederate states of Trump and let people decide which of the two countries they want to live in.

I think he rhetorically meant people who could actually do something about it, not just posters on a sports simulation game board.

I kind of meant someone in government or in a position to do something about it. Treason plain and simple.

Haha. Ok. Glad it wasn’t just me.

Dude, it's a Monday. Can I get a pass :p

SI

I will have you know that I am a very impotent person.

This makes me think that person earlier guessed right, and Trump is going to pretend to be President even after January 20th. I don't know what that nonsense will look like, but I can imagine "proclamations" being announced by "the real President" every time President Biden does anything. Meanwhile, he will be totally funded by his sheeple under the premise of running in 2024. The big question will be how many of the Republican house and senate members will play along. If McConnell does while maintaining the majority in the Senate, we can expect almost zero of anything Biden wants to do getting done. Please, let more Republican catch sense or grow balls. I don't have much hope for either.

I think we need to remember that while Biden is trying to play the “bring the people together” card he isn’t going to take shit from Trump. If Trump does anything more than complain on twitter Biden or his DOJ would take swift action. They would never allow the image of a dual president. I know there are also laws about private citizens involving themselves in foreign policy.

Yet another lawsuit filed, this time in New Mexico. The electoral college has voted, and yet they continue this crap.

New: It appears the Trump campaign has filed another election challenge in federal court, this time in New Mexico — it's objecting to the use of drop boxes for voters to return absentee ballots. It was filed today, as the Electoral College is voting.https://t.co/2jVxyFse00 pic.twitter.com/OE0UwMRdHc

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 14, 2020

I disagree about the bolded part. What I think is true is...worse. It's 15-25% of the voting population so divorced from reality that they are convinced that Trump won this election. As earnestly, sincerely, and matter-of-factly as you and I would say that Biden won, they'd say Trump won. As a result, a huge chunk of these folks don't think they've abandoned democracy; they think they're defending it. It has been said in many ways here in the past, but it's now coming to light front and center: we are no longer operating on a shared set of agreed-upon facts.

*screaming*

MCCONNELL didn’t respond when I asked him if Biden should now be acknowledged as the President elect

— Erik Wasson (@elwasson) December 14, 2020

Well, some of the voters, maybe. But elected officials?

yes me too and it is treasonous though not technically treason since we are not at war ...yet! But yes it is a fucking coup.

Oh, I'm angry at them. They know better.

But "some of the voters, maybe" tells me that you're ENORMOUSLY underestimating/dismissing what is going on in the general populace.

Sorry - just did a search on "coup" in this thread (and may have missed instances). I should have included "et al" since I was too lazy to go to all threads

SI

Lol WTF, I suppose he deleted this after someone told him Cosby was convicted of a state crime.

Apparently Trump tweeted this today and then deleted it. There are no words..... he is beyond despicable#TrumpWantsToPardonBillCosby #BillCosby pic.twitter.com/rJtxCqAQBy

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Well it's tough to say something is completely A or B, right? I'm sure there are many who think the election has been stolen -- because people either didn't vote the "right way" or just weren't worthy of voting in the first place. Drop boxes? The NERVE!

I mean, I'm sure there are some who legit think voting boxes were hacked, or something. I don't think that's everyone. (I think some talk themselves into these theories as well, as a bit of a denial instinct.)

haha no problem man.

I wouldn't put it past him, but this is fake.

This is new:

"I secured my vote" is a new tag, isn't it? #gapol #GAvoters pic.twitter.com/NueAkGoOcq

— Leeroy's Dad (@Grantdawg) December 14, 2020

It was there in the general.

So the new 4D chess move is that Trump has been waiting for the election to be certified so all the Deep State conspirators that signed off on this election can be charged.

How many times over the past 4 years have these morns moved the goalposts waiting for the Trump "gotcha" moment?

See, I don't remember it. These are the ones I have seen the most:

I'm a Georgia voter

I hope you voted too

Get yourself out to the polls

And FLIP THE SENATE BLUE!! ��
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We never have. It's not a bug that an extremely large chunk of the people who most firmly believe there is an unprovable entity directing the entirety of humanity's existence also believe unprovable claims of excessive voter fraud.

Poll: 82 percent of Trump voters say Biden’s win isn’t legitimate.

Sure, some of those are "I won't admit my guy won," but a good chunk of these folks are sincere.

Beyond that, haven't we said for quite some time "we're not operating from a set of shared facts," right? Isn't this just the natural result of that?

They haven't really moved the goalposts, they just have an endless supply of goalposts that they scattered around the field, we just can't always see each because that LSU-Florida dog they're using keeps moving around the field so we forget about them until the fog shifts again.

To be fair, I just wanted to bring up the insanity of that game again.

I think there's an entire school of Trump supporters that simply think facts are fungible. When you are faced with a fact that you don't like, you simply replace it with a fact you do like. "The power of positive thinking" and all that.

It is always the parting shot.

Per @CNN, Michigan GOP Congressman Paul Mitchell has left the Republican Party over its refusal to accept the result of the election.

— Malachi Barrett (@PolarBarrett) December 14, 2020

What they don't seem to get is there's no end game here. This is all about raising money. Now that the electoral college has voted there isn't a path for Trump to be president. The only thing they're working on is a Pelosi presidency.

Trump knows he's lost. His campaign knows he's lost. Congress knows he lost. The only people that don't know he's lost is his base.

Is anyone else still seeing Trump signs in yards? I've seen a few around town, including my neighbor. I don't remember seeing signs for any election in someone's yard after a couple of weeks or so after said election.

Yeah I see a few here and there. Not many, but I do live in a heavy Trump area as far as Washington goes.

I have seen a couple still up in my neighborhood last week, but most are gone (thankfully)

I see them in clusters. There's three houses a few blocks from me that all have multiple signs and flags out. Then there is another neighborhood where I run through that also has a few houses close to each other with flags and signs. I've been wondering if they feed off each other. It just feels performative.

Edit: I guess all political signs are performative :) I just mean that it feels like they are keeping their signs and flags out for each other. If one cracks, I wonder if they all follow along.

Biden now has officially over 270 electoral votes.

(I know, I know, some people will say, but Congress can refuse to accept them.. you know aside from that pesky Democratic House and at least 4 GOP Senators who have said they'll refuse to overturn the election)

It's going to be a clown fiesta when congress meets though. We're guaranteed a contest to see who can get Trump's acknowledgement and the most headlines.

Trump has just tweeted that he had a nice conversation with Barr, who is now going to spend the holidays with his family (i.e. fired) and named an acting AG

Barr wasn’t willing to carry out an all out attack on the judiciary and constitution so he will find somebody who is, I assume?

We have at least a couple houses in my town where the Trump signs and flags have never come down since 2016. One proudly has the Deplorables for Trump sign.

For whatever reason, these folks also like to never mow their lawn.

All this speculation and extreme scenarios what-ifs are fun but the election is over, Biden has won. He'll be sworn in. Everything else is noise at this time.

Yup, 2 of the 3 branches of government are messed up now. The 3rd protected us even though the majority were appointed by GOP presidents. The "4th branch" of government, the military, has also stood firm and refused to get involved in this.

I live in a very pro Trump town so we have a decent amount of signs, etc...still up and almost all of them are on the crappiest, more unkempt houses.

I see a lot of the signs still up--both Trump and Biden.

There was, however, one house that was *decked out* in Trump swag.

And, at some point recently, I drove past, and all the Trump stuff was down and his house was decked out in all Steelers stuff.

I respect his open acknowledgement that

(1) It's all a game to him, and
(2) He ain't got time for losers.

I still see the occasional lifted truck with Trump flag(s), but haven’t seen any yard signs in quite some time.

Checks the results of last 2 Steelers games

LOL. Hadn't even thought of that.

Maybe I'll drive by tonight to see if he's got a big Pat Mahomes banner up.

I still see some Trump signs around town here. No correlation to housing condition. But it's also a town that's 65% R, 35% D roughly speaking

guy across the street from me has a "God, Guns and Trump" sign.

I have seen a few signs around the subdivision still. What have been more prominent are the Trump flags which was also the case during the campaign. My wife sent me a text saying that the HOA posted a notice on the community Facebook group today. The message was to remind everyone now that the election is over, to remove all campaign materials from their yardspace.

Based on the comments she has seen, the message was not well received.

funny how those people are all about law and order unless it is something they want to do

Good. Stop the norm busting.

To quote... "Well, that's the way he wants it, well he gets it"

Lindsey Graham did warn about this back in 2016, before falling in line with the rest of the cucks.

They aren't worried about norms, though. They are worried about pissing off Trump.

I will be interested to see if all the obsequiousness going to turn off immediately like a tap once he has no Presidential powers.

Probably not as he still has his flock, who are going to looking to primary anyone who isn't towing the Trump line.

I still think that the best thing for us as a country is for him to shuffle off this mortal coil as soon as possible.

SI

So Trump retweeted this. At what point does someone put a stop to the lunacy. every single member of government supporting this needs to be removed.

President Trump @realDonaldTrump is a genuinely good man. He does not really like to fire people. I bet he dislikes putting people in jail, especially “Republicans.”

He gave @BrianKempGA & @GaSecofState every chance to get it right. They refused. They will soon be going to jail. pic.twitter.com/7PMBLc8L2N

— Lin Wood (@LLinWood) December 15, 2020

Just like Hillary is in jail, right?

Sydney Powell is just lying to the Supreme Court now. She claims that the legislatures of Georgia, etc. all certified an alternate slate of GOP electors. Of course, this is bullshit. All of these idiots cosplaying as electors were not certified by a state legislature.

She will suffer no consequence for this because no court will want to look "political" by sanctioning her.

I note it here only because if I lied that thoroughly to a court I would almost certainly be sanctioned and probably fired.

Other lawyers in this thread: What do you think would happen to you?

The key, I guess, is to be so high profile that it becomes more trouble to sanction you than to just let you spin out your lies.

Good work, if you can get it!

The City of Detroit lawyer has filed to have her sanctioned. Hope the get her disbarred.

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I don't get it though, she is obviously no special talent with all this bullshit. Isn't this getting to a point where she can be disbarred?

Apparently Trump may not be able to live legally at Mar-a-Lago:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...781_story.html

And this isn't something that's going to go away. His rich NIMBY neighbors want nothing to do with the Trump shitshow. They are not going to go away quietly.

Behind a pay wall. Cliffs notes?

Basically, back in the 90s, he signed some agreement with the town that he would operate Mar-a-Lago as a club and not as a hotel or residence.

And the town hasn't really enforced that.

But, now that it is clear that it's gonna be a four-year circus coming to town, the other residents have formally asked the town to enforce the contract and prevent Trump from living there.

Thats awesome

Sending out your goons to undermine and takeover the voting process is literally how dictators get elected. What's next enforce the military to scare off the certified electors?

yeah you can only stay at the place for 21 days max....that's ANYbody


all because he wanted loopholes so that the gov could give money to it

All it takes is one state, though. Then you have to report it to the other states you have a license in, and they will almost certainly have to do something. It's like insurance agent/company or doctor licensing - it becomes a snowball once you get fined/suspended in one state.

The GOP is anti-democracy part 356987:

Rand Paul rails on how Georgia was supposedly stolen — “but probably most importantly” absentee ballot applications being sent out for the Senate runoffs.

“I’m very, very concerned that if you solicit votes from typically non-voters, that you will affect and change the outcome.” pic.twitter.com/J1TPaN02Us

— Eric Kleefeld (@EricKleefeld) December 17, 2020

LOL

I, for one, am elated for the country to find out what a promise from Tommy Tuberville is worth. https://t.co/JMuseSdBXo

— Simply Loving To Permanently Be Online (@BobbyBigWheel) December 17, 2020

Dr. Jill Biden not being a doctor is an odd 2024 platform for the GOP.

Watching the republican party eat itself from within is going to be fun for the next 4 years.

pretty on brand. They don't like women let alone well educated women. If it was up to them only white, land owners would vote.

No it won't. We said the same thing in the 4 years up to Trump and all it got us was a further right GOP with more crazies willing to be crazy in public.

I don't think so at all.

I'm not saying it plays to the general population any better than Trump's "suburban housewives" crap did, but this is just more of the war against intelligence, with the bonus of being misogynistic - which these people eat up. I mean, who hasn't heard of people who hold advanced degrees that are not strictly medical being called "doctor?" This isn't something new. But being a doctor makes you an "elite" and an easy take-down for the Trump rubes. Plus, as a woman she should have majored in cooking and cleaning, ya know!

Yeah, this is pretty much right down the middle for them.

Anti-woman.
Anti-education.

It managed to turn out more votes than ever for the GOP.
It also managed to turn out more votes than ever against the GOP.

The depth and nuance of Trumper thinking is:

You're only a doctor if you perform surgery. You're only a scientist if you work in a lab.

They're going to unite in full on resistance of Biden with things like railing on anything he does, re-discovering how SUPER IMPORTANT the deficit is, and denying any of his appointees. There's more that keeps them together than apart. Unfortunately, the ratio between the carnival barkers and true believers is getting dangerously bottom heavy and I think those in the former category know it could spell danger for them eventually. But power is more important and they can solve that problem another day.

SI

Yup. It is fun to do the whole "McConnell is the real enemy" bit when there are no stakes.

But when push comes to shove, the GOP voters, supporters, and politicians fall in line.

Win a chance to blow up one of Trump's casinos!

City to auction spot to push demolish button on Trump casino

I think this is a really creative idea and I hope they raise a lot of money.

So some of the conspiracy theorists are starting to claim that Biden/Harris will be sworn in on the 20th. And that is actually all according to the plan. Because they have to be sworn in to formally steal the election. So Trump/Q will let them get sworn in so that they can then be prosecuted for election theft.

And 4 years from now it will be that they have to complete their term for it to officially be a stolen Presidency.

At what point do the people that follow this crap look in a mirror and say "wow, I sure am a fucking moron!"

i know right? every damn time.

I am speechless at this...

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...box=1607865761

here's a longer one that...uh...makes more sense
South Park creators' deepfake Trump web series is eerie and hilarious

Two former AZ Bar presidents and a few other attorneys have formally filed ethics complaints against 21 attorneys who participated in the Trump campaign lawsuits in AZ. We'll see what happens with that.

I didn't pay attention to election law before this year, so I was not familiar with Lin Wood or Sydney Powell. However, early on I kept reading about how they were respected lawyers and there must be something to these allegations for them to take on this case. Then, you know, we watched everything unfold over the past 6 weeks.

I say that to point out that Lin Wood has filed another election-related lawsuit - this time as both the attorney and plaintiff - in which he signs the pleading verification that the facts are true and correct under "plenty of perjury" (rather than under penalty of perjury).

If this is performance art, he has surpassed the Spinal Tap/Best in Show team as greatest in history.

Ksyrup, after the Kraken fell short I think you just gave them their next rallying cry.

Judge: "And just what is different about these lawsuits Mr. Wood?"

Lin Wood: "These go to 11."

That is awesome :D

Apparently, there are some of the Q/MAGA people posting about the inevitable declaration of martial law, but from a personal planning perspective.

Like, people are starting to ask about when it is going to happen because they have a trip to Disney planned for the first week of January and they are wondering how it might affect their travel.

I wanna shoot my neighbor for Trump, but maybe after the holidays, ok?

Reminds me of the voice mail I once gt threatening to kick my ass over a student's grade. But they also made sure to let me know it would only happen after the summer when the Fall semester started.

dola

Saw a WaPo story that says out of the 200+ mil Trump has raised since the election less than a million has gone to the recount fund.

Everything's still a con.

Wasn't the big reckoning supposed to happen by the 18th?

Every one of them should be disbarred and stand trial for treason.

Trump is mulling appointing Sydney Powell as a special counsel for the election.

Meanwhile, I still see smoke on Twitter about McConnell's race and the conspiracy that his and other GOP Senate races were rigged because they were run through voting machines owned by a GOP-controlled company. How does one fail to see that this is the exact same conspiracy-by-extrapolating-numbers-out-of-context BS that the GOP says should invalidate Biden's win? I mean, if they are right, why wouldn't it make sense to question Biden's win? This is an argument for competing frauds by voting system.

I don't know if it's helpful to make such leaps in judgment when there are other explanations. Several obvious things to me being:

(1) KY is a closed primary state, so if you want to vote in a primary, you have to declare one or the other party. I am registered GOP and voted mostly Dem in this election. If there are a bunch of people like me in my county, does that make my county's votes look suspicious? Probably. I think there's too much of an assumption that people would automatically vote straight ticket and that McConnell getting Dem votes is unlikely. I doubt that premise.

(2) McConnell is unpopular but an incumbent. That counts for a lot.

(3) Amy McGrath was not an energizing candidate. I could easily see people being anti-Trump but not voting for McGrath. I have to imagine that many rural area Democrats are still pretty conservative, so the idea of a split government might be appealing. And, having a Senator from KY in a high profile position is preferable to Rand Paul and a freshman Senator.