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BYU 14 01-07-2022 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3355590)
It's a cult.


That's an insult to Cults

NobodyHere 01-07-2022 05:11 PM

I'm looking for a good cult to join. Anyone got recommendations?

CrimsonFox 01-07-2022 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3355597)
I'm looking for a good cult to join. Anyone got recommendations?



NobodyHere 01-07-2022 07:37 PM

Works every time.


whomario 01-08-2022 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3355558)
Gorsuch claiming the flu kills hundreds of thousands every year was not a good sign. I think we know where they get their news from these days.

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Almost as bad are people online responding with "but there are hundreds of thousand deaths globally, the Statement is correct" as if a SCJ purposefully abusing a non relevant fact would be any better. Last i checked this is about a US mandate and playing that game hundreds of thousands is still the same order of magnitude lower than many millions.

Brian Swartz 01-08-2022 02:53 PM

I don't think it's that particularly big of a deal. Yes, Gorsuch was off by an order of magnitude, it's tens of thousands not hundreds of thousands. Yes, he was incorrect. Yes, there's a great deal of misinformation still going around about Covid and that should be corrected, but it's not as if as a matter of law tens of thousands is much different from hundreds of thousands, or as if we're in a situation where misinformation isn't rampant from all sides.

** No, not both-sidesing, it's clearly worse coming from the right, but there's enough of it that very very few Americans have an accurate view, and that includes people in leadership and all the patently idiotic things Fauci, Walensky, etc. have said.

Lathum 01-08-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3355631)
I don't think it's that particularly big of a deal. Yes, Gorsuch was off by an order of magnitude, it's tens of thousands not hundreds of thousands. Yes, he was incorrect. Yes, there's a great deal of misinformation still going around about Covid and that should be corrected, but it's not as if as a matter of law tens of thousands is much different from hundreds of thousands, or as if we're in a situation where misinformation isn't rampant from all sides.

** No, not both-sidesing, it's clearly worse coming from the right, but there's enough of it that very very few Americans have an accurate view, and that includes people in leadership and all the patently idiotic things Fauci, Walensky, etc. have said.


He is a member of the supreme court making a decision regarding vaccine mandates. It is that big of a deal.

Brian Swartz 01-08-2022 03:26 PM

Yes he is, but so what? How does an order of magnitude on flu deaths materially affect the legal argument there?

Lathum 01-08-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3355633)
Yes he is, but so what? How does an order of magnitude on flu deaths materially affect the legal argument there?


What other facts is he off on? Misinformed on? I'm not in his head to know his decision making process, but I know damn well he should be basing his decisions off actual facts.

sterlingice 01-08-2022 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3355633)
Yes he is, but so what? How does an order of magnitude on flu deaths materially affect the legal argument there?


An order of magnitude on COVID deaths makes it the flu

SI

Brian Swartz 01-08-2022 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum
What other facts is he off on? Misinformed on? I'm not in his head to know his decision making process, but I know damn well he should be basing his decisions off actual facts.


If that's what we're concerned about, why are we not raising the roof equally about Sotomayor claiming over 100,000 children are in serious condition when in fact less than that have been hospitalized with COVID in the last year and a half? I don't think we should take Sotomayor to task, she should simply be corrected and that's that.

Every major opinion SCOTUS writes has people criticizing it's factual accuracy. And this is without getting into the fact that the transcript appears to be incorrect, and the actual audio of what Gorsuch said only seems to have him saying thousands, not hundreds of thousands, die from the flu. But that's just a detail here.

The case isn't going to be decided on how many die from the flu or COVID. It's going to be decided on whether or not OSHA has the authority to make the mandate, whether or not the Biden administration has the authority to circumvent Congress in this kind of issue, whether the specific mandate issued is of an appopriate scope to OSHA's statutory authority, etc. This whole 'issue' of what Gorsuch said is just a smoke-screen.

RainMaker 01-08-2022 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3355633)
Yes he is, but so what? How does an order of magnitude on flu deaths materially affect the legal argument there?


If it doesn't affect the legal argument, why did he bring it up?

RainMaker 01-11-2022 03:53 PM

lol

Lot of people who get community service need jobs too. Wonder what made this guy so special.

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Friedrich said she declined to impose a community service requirement because she wanted Kostolsky to focus on being able to find steady work.

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Ksyrup 01-11-2022 05:21 PM

I'm on my phone so I don't know how this will look when I post it, but this is a pretty good tease!

For about six years I've been asking Donald Trump for an interview. It never happened until the former president came on the line today. Tomorrow on @MorningEdition we'll hear what he said, up to the moment that he hung up on me. @NPR Steve Inskeep on Twitter: "For about six years I've been asking Donald Trump for an interview. It never happened until the former president came on the line today. Tomorrow on @MorningEdition we'll hear what he said, up to the moment that he hung up on me. @NPR"

RainMaker 01-12-2022 02:29 PM

Well guys...it was a good run.


Kodos 01-12-2022 02:46 PM

And it would've worked too, if not for that meddling pillow guy!

spleen1015 01-12-2022 02:54 PM

Twice as many people are guilty of election fraud than voted in the election!

~150 million people were fraudulent without voting!

Ksyrup 01-12-2022 03:11 PM

I didn't read/listen to it, but I suppose one could be guilty of election fraud without actually voting. I'm sure I'm one of the 300 million since I don't subscribe to the conspiracies - or own a MyPillow. Both of those probably make me a proven fraudster.

JPhillips 01-12-2022 03:39 PM

Somebody should ask him how he's been able to make his fortune selling pillows to the same people that stole the election.

Danny 01-12-2022 03:44 PM

They need comfortable pillows to ease their guilty conscience

Swaggs 01-12-2022 06:15 PM

Is the AG from Texas still paying $10K for reporting fraud? I feel like Lindell needs to get ahold of that guy.

PilotMan 01-12-2022 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3356164)
They need comfortable pillows to ease their guilty conscience


{clap|clap|clap}

Very nice

BYU 14 01-13-2022 11:24 AM

Has anyone ever turned into as big of a political cuckold as Lindsey Graham? And that is an incredibly high bar to surpass too

Lindsey Graham just threatened Mitch McConnell over Donald Trump

RainMaker 01-13-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 3356155)
Twice as many people are guilty of election fraud than voted in the election!

~150 million people were fraudulent without voting!


The funny part is if 300 million people wanted Biden in power, they could just vote for him and win in a landslide.

Kodos 01-13-2022 11:51 AM

Provided they were allowed to vote.

RainMaker 01-13-2022 12:09 PM

Biden gave a speech. I think it fixed it all.

Atocep 01-13-2022 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3356231)
Provided they were allowed to vote.


If you ever thought about voting dem, by mail, or voted as a non-white male you're still guilty.

bhlloy 01-13-2022 01:25 PM

You laugh but it’s basically straight out of the tinpot dictators handbook right. We are a couple of election cycles away from being Kazakstan or Myanmar.

Thomkal 01-13-2022 02:50 PM

Several members of the Oath Keepers arrested today on seditous conspiracy charges for their part in the weapon stashes being gathered for jan 6

Galaril 01-14-2022 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3356263)
Several members of the Oath Keepers arrested today on seditous conspiracy charges for their part in the weapon stashes being gathered for jan 6


Apparently the head honcho of them in fact.

HerRealName 01-14-2022 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3356307)
Apparently the head honcho of them in fact.


They arrested the leader a few miles from our house and another house was raided 2 blocks from our house at the same exact time. I'm not sure if they arrested anyone there but we could hear the flash bangs they used. At least one more person was arrested in the next city North of us.

Texas... love it and hate it.

RainMaker 01-14-2022 01:59 PM

Took them a year to do it? We'll see what happens but good lord, take your time FBI.

BYU 14 01-14-2022 03:55 PM

I can forgive the length of time it took todo this, if for no other reason, that it has allowed them to put together a solid case, where these guys don't walk and further embolden this extreme ideology bullshit.

Would much rather see this than a hap hazard rush to round these guys up and leave multiple holes in the case for the high powered right wing attorneys that are sure to step on each other to defend these "patriots"

Sometimes the long game is better

Ksyrup 01-14-2022 06:17 PM

DirecTV is dropping OANN in April when their contract expires. Darn!

molson 01-14-2022 06:48 PM

Sometimes you have to do the thing with the deadline before the thing without the deadline. The last couple of years have definitely tested all of our time management and prioritization skills.

Thomkal 01-14-2022 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3356350)
Took them a year to do it? We'll see what happens but good lord, take your time FBI.



So would you be complaining if they arrested them a lot sooner without the evidence they have now? Cut them some slack Rain this investigation far bigger than Watergate with the most serious consequences if they get it wrong.

Brian Swartz 01-14-2022 09:24 PM

Republicans who impeached Trump keep dropping like flies. The latest is John Katko, who will not seek re-election. When people ask why more Republicans don't 'do the right thing' .... this is why. Their voters don't want them to.

AlexB 01-15-2022 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3356369)
So would you be complaining if they arrested them a lot sooner without the evidence they have now? Cut them some slack Rain this investigation far bigger than Watergate with the most serious consequences if they get it wrong.


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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3356371)
Republicans who impeached Trump keep dropping like flies. The latest is John Katko, who will not seek re-election. When people ask why more Republicans don't 'do the right thing' .... this is why. Their voters don't want them to.


Brian’s post shows why it is better to wait and get the evidence to convict - personally I believe Trump was guilty as charged in his impeachment trial, but the (forced) timescale and emotion meant that it wasn’t going to happen. It was the right thing to do, but ultimately galvanised Trump more.

If there had been the opportunity to delay, I believe that the chances of conviction would have been much higher

Ksyrup 01-18-2022 11:35 AM

When you've decided that Nick Saban is attempting to destroy democracy, perhaps you need to get your outrage meter recalibrated.

JPhillips 01-18-2022 11:53 AM

They've also decided that Dan Crenshaw is a liberal that only pretends to be a Christian conservative.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all over this shaming of Crenshaw, but come on.

sterlingice 01-18-2022 11:58 AM

Which crazy flavor of "they" thinks that Crenshaw is anything but a hard right opportunistic weasel?

SI

albionmoonlight 01-18-2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3356653)
They've also decided that Dan Crenshaw is a liberal that only pretends to be a Christian conservative.


Really? How? Why? I thought of him as pretty dyed-in-the-wool MAGA.

Atocep 01-18-2022 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3356653)
They've also decided that Dan Crenshaw is a liberal that only pretends to be a Christian conservative.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all over this shaming of Crenshaw, but come on.


I read an article a couple of weeks ago that was describing how MAGA is starting to tear itself apart from within as the money starts to dry up. The grift is becoming actual work as the donations have started to decline so everyone is ready to throw one another under the bus to try to funnel the dwindling cash flow their way.

They're sharks in the water and as soon as someone they compete with for dollars is wounded they pounce and the most common form of attack is to call the person a Democrat pretending to be a republican.

sterlingice 01-18-2022 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3356655)
Really? How? Why? I thought of him as pretty dyed-in-the-wool MAGA.


Now that I think about it, I have two friends - those ones who have never voted Democrat in their life (or the last couple of decades), post all the Fox News talking points to bothsides every Dem transgression but are strangely silent with GOP ones on Facebook, but get all offended when you call them Republican. "Oh, no - I'm a libertarian, small "l" - those sorts. They love love love them some Dan Crenshaw. And didn't he recently take a bat to the Freedom Caucus for not being Trumpy enough? So maybe that's what passes for a RINO these days in some minds(?)

SI

RainMaker 01-18-2022 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3356655)
Really? How? Why? I thought of him as pretty dyed-in-the-wool MAGA.


I think he criticized Lauren Boebert. Said she is just a performance artist out for money.

It's tough to say now since people who call themselves conservatives have defined conservatism as believing insane conspiracy theories and being racist. Always funny to see someone get banned for saying some racist stuff and the response is "you're silencing conservatives!". Kind of giving the game away.

RainMaker 01-18-2022 01:00 PM

I'm sure they will be angry about a judge legislating from the bench again.

Local clerks scramble to educate voters after judge bans absentee ballot drop boxes

Ksyrup 01-18-2022 01:01 PM

Yes, Crenshaw was getting crap for calling out some of the cartoony MAGA performance artists masquerading as elected officials.

ISiddiqui 01-18-2022 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3356655)
Really? How? Why? I thought of him as pretty dyed-in-the-wool MAGA.



From what I understand, he called 1/6 an insurrection and that got MAGA truly pissed off at him. He's also gone off on Marjorie Taylor Greene.

JPhillips 01-18-2022 01:24 PM

Dan Crenshaw gets upset at a 10 year old girl at an event and gets heckled by the crowd. “Don’t question my faith.”

This was a very Trumpy crowd, not a group of college Dems.

BYU 14 01-18-2022 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3356674)
From what I understand, he called 1/6 an insurrection and that got MAGA truly pissed off at him. He's also gone off on Marjorie Taylor Greene.


He did label 1/6 correctly, this on MTG
Dan Crenshaw Says MTG Is 'a Democrat - or Just an Idiot' Amid COVID-19 Spat


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