Yes I saw Trump tweet about it all in caps in how outrageous this happened to a "true patriot" like Nauta.

Dan Abrams is reporting the indictment is going to be unsealed at any moment.

yep and jack smith will have a press conference around 3

It is out.

Read the unsealed indictment against former President Donald Trump https://t.co/35A7DtfGCy pic.twitter.com/Yyg4vkweET

— Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) June 9, 2023

I refuse to believe that everything will hinge on a man named "Waltine."

Biden's big anti-Trump superpower is to keep doing the most normal boring President shit while Trump and his allies try to turn everything to DEFCON-1 total chaos.

Happening Now: President Biden and the First Lady discuss how career-connected learning and workforce training programs are preparing students for good-paying jobs in North Carolina. https://t.co/X3D257nY79

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) June 9, 2023

37 counts altogether.

Yep and already said he have no comment about the indictments.

38 counts. "Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this,"

The lawyers probably NOPEd out of everything when that quote came to their attention.

Just read the whole indictment. "Caught red handed" comes to mind. I really don't know how anyone can spin this, but of course they will.

"Something something Obama Something Something Biden Crime Family Something Something Something Hillarys Server Something Something WOKE Something something MAGA"

The fact that they had already condemned the indictment (and really, the entire investigation) before they knew the evidence means that the only spinning being done is that it doesn't matter if a crime was committed, this is purely political just based on the circumstances and shouldn't be allowed to go forward on that basis alone. That's essentially what even Pence said when he was talking about how this looks so bad to the rest of the world.

"In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law."

-- Donald Trump August 18, 2016 (Charlotte NC rally)

pic.twitter.com/b3XNYfKYc8

— Howard Mortman (@HowardMortman) June 9, 2023

My favorite part was the Trump statements (obviously aimed at Hillary) sprinkled all through the indictment about how important protecting secret documents are and that no one is above the law if they mishandle them. Who says the Justice department doesn't have a sense of humor?

Nikki Haley on twitter:


Text from the indictment:



The GOP's the party of law & order, national security, etc... you say? A whole bunch of grifting traitors, I say. String them up, each and every one of them, starting with the orange one. Un-American to a person.

https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/statu...981574/photo/1

From the indictment

"See, as president I could have declassified it"

(Staffer) Yeah.

"Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret"

(Staffer) Yeah. (Laughs) Now we have a problem

"Isn't that Interesting?

what in the actual nine hells. I mean... if that was any more of a smoking gun, the NRA would be trying to protect it.

edit: It's almost literally "HEY I AM COMMITTING A CRIME BY SHOWING YOU THIS. ISN'T IT AWESOME THAT I'M COMMITTING A CRIME?????"

Yeah, but this wasn't under his administration
[Insert gif of that black dude tapping the side of his head]

It's also laughable that a president could declassify nuclear secrets and military attack plans on his way out the door and hand them out on the street the next day.

New Thread:

Trump Indictment/Trial thread-2023 - Front Office Football Central

What I've seen the right focused on the last 24 hours or so is the "double standard" that allowed Joe Biden and Hilary to do essentially the same and not be charged.

Which is a laughably stupid take, but we're not dealing with people that care about the truth.

Also,

MTG admitted to going into a SCIF to be presented classified information, memorizing as much as she could, and writing it down as soon as she got out so she could share it.

I would have lost my clearance, my rank, and probably done time at Leavanworth for the same.

With Hillary in particular, I don't understand. Trump had 4 years for his DOJ to charge her!

This is what's so frustrating. MAGA folks have been given way more rope than a normal person. Nobody wants to start prosecuting elected officials, but at some point they force your hand.

Hillary obviously had magical powers that prevent even an attempt to indict her on anything. A Republican DOJ with a Republican FBI chief couldn't use a Republican majority court to convict her. So that means Trump should be allowed to commit treason at will.

In MTG's defense, the only 2 words that she was able to memorize and write down was "hamburger" and "VHS".

As has been stated elsewhere, Jack Smith really does look like Coach Beard from Ted Lasso.

What they're saying is the GOP Department of Justice had shown restraint and didn't wanted to be seen as political by charging Hilary.

Yes, the same one that served Trump an election on a silver platter by announcing an investigation right before the election.

And my response to that is they were wrong, if that's the case. Which it wasn't, of course. I'm not interested in defending criminals, no matter what side of the aisle they are on.

With this I'm complete agreement. Lock her up if you can prove a crime in a court of law. Lock Biden up if you can prove a crime in a court of law. Lock Hunter up, and why should I care if they do?

I'm 100% in agreement. Lock her up, lock hunter up, impeach Biden, ect if they committed crimes that warrant that.

Either they didn't/haven't done anything to warrant that or had the opportunity and didn't charge them. Either way, it's time to shut up about it and move on.

This bathroom is a crime against humanity. The bare walls, the shower curtain, the fact that the curtain covers 1/4 of the window, the chandelier, the blue Kleenex box, the laundry basket/trash can, the contractor-grade toilet seat...

That toilet seat looks like its' 6 inches off the ground.

The Home Depot vanity, what likes like several rolls of TP on one long bar, the wall sconce...

so that's where trump put those other secret classified documents. He was looking for those

The saddest part is that we have no secret alien stuff. Trump would have told everyone if we did.

OMG!!!! That really WAS trump's bathroom....hahahahaha I was making a joke. I thought that was YOUR picture and you just had file boxes in your john.

hahahahahaha

i can just hear trump's excuse that he needed them as reading material while he defacates.

BTW Crackerbarrel has been called as the next number in "go woke go broke" bingo for displaying....a rainbow chair.

I'm still trying to figure out how Jeff Gordon got so lucky with his timing.

I don't follow racing at all but what little I know was that Gordon was hated and referred to as an f-slur constantly.

And yet my ex was a big fan of his, go figure.

Going to be a real interesting campaign season:

We're the good guys, which is why we get to do crimes, and if you try to stop us, we'll murder you with guns, because we are law-abiding, and so very good that announcing our intention to murder you with guns in response to prosecuting us for crimes can not be taken as a threat. https://t.co/pRseUNKAnv

— A.R. Moxon (@JuliusGoat) June 10, 2023

That's incitement. Again.

Republican delegates in North Carolina voted Saturday at their annual convention to censure Thom Tillis, the state's senior U.S. senator, for backing LGBTQ+ rights, immigration and gun safety policies. https://t.co/9qs3aafwoI

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 10, 2023

If you don't let us commit crimes, we're going to commit crimes!

Bed, Bath, and Beyond A Reasonable Doubt

I guess Fox has lost enough money on Trump lies:


https://twitter.com/BradBeauregardJ/...14718528217093

Heh Cartman-and both going out of business.

Should have just stuck with it after trying it out in November 2020:

Fox News Cuts Away From Donald Trump Campaign Press Conference – Deadline

The tanker fire and collapse of I95 in Philly is ominous after Chip Roy's tweet about knowing the bridges. Hopefully, there's an innocent explanation.

Atlanta had a section of 285 collapse because of a fire underneath a few years ago. It something that can happen by accident if the fire gets hot enough.

Yeah the whole issue is what happened with the tanker and they either don't know or aren't saying yet.

It's probably an accident, but it needs to be looked at given a GOP Rep making what sure looked like a threat a couple of days ago.

A few years ago there was a fire under the liberty bridge in Pittsburgh, and it almost was at the point where it could’ve collapsed. I’m sure this will be absolutely devastating to traffic.

Hard to quantify just how much of a mess this is going to create in that part of the country.

It will be bad for Philly, but anybody that says it will cause havoc throughout the Northeast hasn't driven from NYC to Philly. If you're on 95 in NJ you take 295 to the East of Philly to get to Delaware.

Career women in right-wing media tell young girls to give up their dreams at Young Women's Leadership Summit | Media Matters for America

Ex-Staffers Describe Infowars' 'Unhinged' and 'Volatile' Workplace.

This is something else...

Makes you wonder why so many young women are registering and becoming active. The GOP just continues to dig deeper.

FTR wife was 29 when we met, on her way to a tremendous career. Happy to report she isn't 35 with cats and miserable. She is happily married 16 years, amazing mom to 2 great kids, and SVP/GM of sales for a Warren Buffett company.

You can do both, but the GOP is horrified of educated, independent, strong women that they need to perpetuate this myth that you will grow old alone with a dried out uterus if you put career and education first.

Meh, they'll just start taking their voting rights away to solve that problem.

Conservatives have about the same grasp on the sexes as that kid in Kindergarten Cop.

Every time one of these "stolen election" cases come before a judge, it gets laughed out of court, and it usually comes with sanctions for the lawyers who file it. O think when a judge says that a lawsuit is "rife with speculation, an absence of facts and a lack of understanding of Michigan election statutes and Detroit absentee ballot procedures", it is probably bad. One of the people who filed this ran for Michigan SOS and is the state GOP Chair. Another is currently running for US Senate.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...t/70318528007/

So Conservatives are now boycotting Kellogs because Dylan Mulvaney took a pic with a random person dressed like Tony the Tiger.

If she were smart, she'd post a tiktok of her just drinking copious amounts of water so that Conservatives boycott water.

No no, just breathing. they'd boycott air.

You guys set the bar way too low, go big.

Dylan Mulvaney takes a picture with Donald Trump, holding an AR-15, dressed in a right to life T-Shirt, drinking water and breathing!

I found a new way to know whether you're talking to a Trumper - mention that you have the day off because your office is closed for Juneteenth.

Entire states will tell you: Mississippi Closed Offices For Confederate Day, Not Juneteenth

(MS, not exactly a surprise though)

Alito tried to get out ahead of the story with an OpEd in WSJ but looks like ProPublica has a story out now about him taking bribes as well.

NEW: A billionaire flew Justice Samuel Alito to Alaska on a private jet for a luxury fishing vacation.

In the years that followed, the billionaire regularly had business before the court.

Alito never recused.

w/ @JustinElliott @Amierjeski https://t.co/hbZO11cZk0

— Josh Kaplan (@js_kaplan) June 21, 2023

In all honesty, it seems cheaper and easier to just bribe one of the few Justices on the court than a bunch of folks in Congress every 2 years.

Guess that's the last time journalists set a 4 day clock on their questions to him.

It is amazing how brazen these bribes are. Of course I'm sure we are going to get an example of Justice Kegan getting Big Mac from George Soros at any moment so we can both sides this.

Not going to fix the immediate problems with higher pay, but for the future ...

SCOTUS is paid about $275K+ a year. How about we increase oversight on SCOTUS and also raise their total compensation (salary, subsidize housing & car, nice work related conferences in Hawaii, etc.).

Because rich people never EVER want more money!

How about we actually have laws about judges taking bribes and actually enforce them? And if you can't accurately fill out a financial disclosure form then you're gone.

Yeah, I don't think a salary bump is going to help. These are some pretty huge bribes and unless you want SCOTUS judges making millions a year, it's not going to change anything.

If the salary is too low for them, they can politely decline the nomination. There is no mandatory requirement that you have to serve on the Supreme Court for decades.

It’s not about the money it’s about the affluence. Once you get a taste of it hard to go back. Private jets and lavish getaways aren’t affordable even for people making several hundred thousand or a million.

Republicans going all-in today on Trump-trying to get Schiff censured, saying Jan 6 was not as insurrection, and are trying to get Trump's two impeachments expunged.

This just tells me what we probably know already. McCarthy has zero control over his caucus. He has to know this performative shit doesn’t play well. Hell, MTG was spotted arguing with Boebert today and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was over this. Sure it’s red meat for the base, but literally nonone else cares. The other side is would he allow it to happen if they don’t have the votes because all that does is make him look even worse. Say what you want about pelosi. She always had the votes.

MTG is mad that Boebert was able to fast track her impeachment vote, whereas McCarthy has tried to get them both to back off a straight vote. He is not as much arguing against impeachment as he is doing it without any form of hearings. Meanwhile this whole Schiff censure is doing just that. They are voting to find him guilty, fine him, and then investigate.

of course, he's guilty of the most heinous crime.. pointing out their Emperor (Trump) has no clothes.

Apparently she called her a "little b*tch on the House floor.

My god I hope that’s true.

I hope they mud wrestle.

The GOP is coming to terms with Trump being the nominee. Nancy Mace said it was time to bury the hatchet and support Trump. He's gonna win every primary.

Every one of them except Romney will fall in line. Gutless

Hopefully they will be burying that hatchet right into the back of their own collective fucking heads.

The censure barely passed, with 6 Republicans voting "present". When Schiff was called by the Speaker to the well to read the rebuke, he was surrounded by Democrats. Once done, they all started chanting "Shame!", "Disgrace!" And "Santos!". Basically, the Republicans have just guaranteed Schiff will be the next Senator from California by their own performance foolishness.
Btw, they were able to divert Boebert's impeachment resolution to comitee.

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Increase oversight how? IMO this comes back to the same thing it always does; the American people as a whole mostly do not want a government with integrity. They want one that implements what they agree with, except when what they agree with causes unforseen problems which it virtually always does; then they want a government that can effectively blame other causes for those problems.

SCOTUS appointments are lifetime in order to avoid political interference, but that does no good when judicial appointments are treated the way they are as political footballs, and rulings are typically assessed not based on whether they are faithful to the law, but whether they are faithful to popular opinions of the moment.

The only constitutional fix is impeachment of corrupt justices, but that doesn't help when we mostly want them to be corrupt, because if they weren't corrupt, they wouldn't vote in the ways we want them to. More practically, any solution requires the electorate to care more about integrity, fidelity to the law, etc. than their pet issues. In other words, voters who are noble enough to be worthy of the power they possess. Or of course we can give up on that happening and move to a more authoritarian form of government officially.

Wow, I don't agree with any of that at all. I don't expect the Supreme Court to rule only toward my political slant, and I want them to rule based on a fair assessment of the law by the letter and court precedent. I absolutely expect rulings to sometimes be against what I wish would the outcome was, but that ruling would come from a fair, meaningful and thought-out reading of the law. Even this court has made ruling that disagreed with expected partisan slant of the court, but they have been more prone to poorly argued breaches of precedent than any court in my lifetime.
Accountability is hard in this situation. They are lifetime appointments exactly for the reason you gave. But there was also a way put in place to remove justices if they were found to be corrupt. Unfortunately, we do not have a congress that is interested in anything but partisan hackery and makes any fair judgement for impeachment impossible.

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Do you think you are representative of Americans on that? I take it as a given - though it's backed up by overwhelming evidence IMO - that people who post on this forum are far more informed than the average voter. I agree with you on partisanship in Congress - and in case anybody thinks this is whataboutism or bothesidesism it's not, the majority of it these days comes from the right though they're far from having a monopoly - but the reason we have that partisanship is primarily because people want it. Seeking reasonable compromise is a quick path to getting primaried in much of the country.

My in-laws are house-sitting for us so we don't have to board our dogs while we're in Canada, and as we were driving yesterday, my wife gets a text asking how to add a channel to YTTV. I said - I guarantee it's Fox News. Sure enough... I wanted to say something, but I let it go.

So now, based on how much they are going to watch it for the next 10 days, it's going to show up on my favorites when we get back. Great!

why didn't she just say "It won't allow it. All the channels are there."

I dropped off my daughter at my in laws and they were watching newsmax. It was like learning your pot head kid has switched to meth.

Because I think they found it while searching the channels. They just couldn't figure out how to add it so they didn't have to search every time.

lol

Thankfully all the "crazy" side of my family lives down in the south

Well at least you will have quick access to it now, whenever you need it!

So Trump is countersuing E.Jean Carroll for Defamation because the jury in her civil suit did not find him guilty of rape, like she has longed claimed.

Possibly silly question; why are we still posting in this thread? The subject hasn't been relevant for almost three years.

Just a catch all for other Trump stories that don't deal with his current and future indictments

The last time we had individual threads for these discussions, Big Brother combined them all into one thread for some unknown reason. I guess we are charged by the thread count.

Specifically, it is because she went on national television the next day and said she was raped after the trial didn't not convict him of that. I am not sure how much weight that actually has. Is the contrast from rape to sexual assault really that much more damaging to a reputation? "I didn't rape her, I just sexually assaulted her" doesn't really ring as a great defense. I have attorneys say the big thing on this is because he filed it, he can be compelled to testify on the stand and not just in a deposition. That could be interesting.