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Right. It wasn't even someone like Huckabee, who is odious, but seems to be a person of faith in his personal life and choices (to an extent). It was someone who was clearly someone who hadn't stepped foot in a church aside from a wedding or funeral in decades until he started campaigning. Someone who was known for being a partier, philanderer, cheat. |
But, hey, Joe's a pro-choice Catholic so he's worse than Trump
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I just don't understand how intelligent people go into this kind of simplistic single-factor tunnel. Who calls Trump a 'Christian icon'? Seriously just look at what the evangelical leaders who support him have said. I'm still looking for one who didn't say 'Trump's an ass but it's about the policy but not the person' in some form or another. This idea that they supported Trump because they like the sexual deviancy, adultery, celebrity etc - what basis is there for it? |
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The people you are talking about say crazy things like that in all situations though. There's an aspect of what is hilariously termed Christianity which finds demons under every rock, unquestionable divine intervention in whether or not they get a flat tire, etc. I mean here's some saying similar things about Bush: God intervened to re-elect President Bush; George W. Bush and evangelicals; divine intervention in elections - Beliefnet Robertson Says God Told Him Bush Will Win Reelection In A 'Blowout' | Americans United for Separation of Church and State That kind of thing isn't new or Trump-specific. Meanwhile Dobson, Rosenberg, MacArthur, Grudem, on and on all cite the justification I described. Quote:
Yes on the first part, no on the second except for the extremists - which it pays no value to heed. I mean, there was a local pastor who tried to convince me and my father that MLK was a communist many years ago, and these people belong in the same category. That doesn't mean he was representative of Christianity or conservative evangelicalism as a whole (he wasn't, and isn't) or that there was some big political movement that thought as he did that anything more liberal than literal Puritanism enforced from Washington was a sign of the end times. You can find extreme views anywhere, but when you ask people why they voted for Trump it's consistently been a combination of policy and his combative, take-no-prisoners leadership style that I've seen over and over again. |
I personally think it goes a lot deeper with Trump, but that's not something I could prove to anyone who disagrees.
But there's certainly something different about using this rhetoric to describe a conservative Christian republican like Bush v. using it to elevate Trump. I kind of get, at some level, prophecies about Christian religious and political leaders. Trump had no conservative or religious credentials, and he outwardly lived a life contrary to those things. He was pro-choice for decades before he decided to become a demagogue and was chosen to be the next prophet. |
All that tells me is they hold just as fast to the idea of policy over the person as the rest of the country does.
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At this point, my money is on Option 3 + resignation between 12/14 and 1/20.
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I don't think so. He's going to make things as difficult for Biden as he can, starting as many fires and putting them behind the 8 ball wherever possible. In addition to all of his other faults, he's definitely that kind of petty bastard, even if the country burns (or gets infected) just to satisfy his ego and need for revenge.
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I'm curious how long his patience runs out. He keeps losing so badly in court and I have to think that costs money. If his grift of "give to my legal fund so I can pay off my personal debts" is actually a money loser, that may push him to stop sooner. Then again, I think he's so insulated from the day to day ops and has so many yes men and grifters around him that they'll just tell him he's making money even if he's losing it.
Then again, it's really likely that he's just doing this out of pure old spite as that seems to be his dominant emotion. And, if that's the case, he'll hold on until someone he can't fire forces him to stop (or informs him that he needs to get to a non-extradition country quickly as it's almost January 20th) https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/polit...ion/index.html SI |
Hopefully, this isn't what happens next.
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Love to see these militiamen go up against a drone.
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I remember in the mid-late 90s, there was a big "militia" (no, getting together with your white supremacist buddies to shoot stuff and talk about overthrowing the government does not make you a militia) scare in this country, too. Hopefully this mostly dies out like that one
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Calling your town "Sundown" is maybe a bit too on the nose.
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Part of me does want to see these guys try something just to get smacked down and removed from the bloodstream. I'm not sure how they will be otherwise. But, that's also unfortunately not a great solution. |
Trump and Rudi would both look better with regular, balding, grey, old-man hair. I don't understand the shame in your hair when you're pushing 80.
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Michigan won't work. Neither will most states. Michigan, Pennsylvania and others actually have systems in place to prevent what Trump is attempting. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/20/o...-election.html The fastest way for this to end would be Collins going to McConnell and telling him to end it or she's switching parties. |
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Yeah, I don't really get the end game here unless this is totally for the theater of making cultists for life and stringing this out as long as possible. He wouldn't push this hard if it wasn't true! |
Welp. Thanks for the frequent flyer miles?
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So sorry, another L!
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what does with prejudiced mean exactly?
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They can't file the complaint again. Without prejudice means they can refile the complaint to "fix" whatever the court found was wrong with it.
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I mean, look at this shit. This is embarrassing. The lawyers are just terrible, it's so obvious this is just done to stall and for political theater so Trump can continue to tweet and Rudy can leak hair dye in front of cameras. Thankfully so far the judges - even the ones appointed by Trump - have done their damn jobs.
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So at what point can the lawyers representing them be held accountable for bringing these frivolous lawsuits? Is there no repercussions for either the attorneys or the Trump campaign?
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Federal rule 11(b), typically mimicked by similar state rules, is the mechanism by which attorneys can be held responsible for filing frivolous lawsuits. It's rarely used to begin with, so I don't think there's a chance in hell of it being used here (even though it certainly merits close review).
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Here's another one. I assume these otherwise pretty well-regarded attorneys got paid handsomely to trash their reputations.
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Lathum, they did in at least one case in Arizona allow the SOS office to recoup legal fees. That is a pretty good slap.
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On the one hand, the GOP further radicalizing is bad, but on the other hand, it's quite satisfying watching the leopards eat Brian Kemp's face.
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Although this was written in 1787, this excerpt from "An Old Whig's" essay from The New-York Journal strikes home today.
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But that's directed at the plaintiff, not the attorneys. I saw some NJ Rep filed Bar complaints against Rudy and a dozen other Trump lawyers in 20+ states. I bet they don't go anywhere. |
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The interesting thing on this one is that this is just a straight claim the the Pennsylvania law from last year that allowed no excuse mail-in ballots is unconstitutional by the Pennsylvania constitution. They are trying to throw out the whole election in affect.
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Ironically, they seem to be bent on doing more than I expect any Democrat to do to ensure I vote Democrat going forward. So long as they support this nonsense, it's going to be an easy choice.
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The PA claim seems like it's too late, right? You can't play a whole game under a set of rules, lose, then complain the rules were unfair. You have to litigate the rules ahead of time
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One thing I have thought: couldn't this full on attack on the election system actually dissuade Trumpers from voting making it seem futile?
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Another day, another L.
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