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DeSantis today threatened to put a state prison next to Disney, because you know, it is all about protecting children.
His shit with Disney is insanity. I wonder if any of his people regret voting for him now. |
Tracks with Trump - do something stupid/vengeful, it bites you in the ass, and because you can't show weakness, admit to being wrong, or let the enemy get the best of you, you double down on the stupidity to the point where you've dug such a deep hole, you can't get out. So you wash, rinse, repeat.
When "gotcha!" is the only politics you know and that energizes your most fervent backers, there's never a stopping point. You can't stop, because you've got to have that "gotcha!" moment. The worst ending is the one in which your supporters see that you got one-upped. So it never ends. |
I know he has a lot of supporters down there, but the independents and moderates have got to be like, dude, take the L already. I also can't imagine a war with Disney of all companies will play well with the broader electorate.
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Florida has some of the worst schools in the country, has a crumbling infrastructure and can't keep up with housing demand, but he is still holding that grudge because his mom wouldn't buy him Mickey Mouse ears as a kid.
The only good news is, he is completely destroying any chance to get elected President, or at least should be in the minds of anyone who takes freedom seriously. |
At one time, not too long ago, the GOP really knew how to fight public opinion battles and outflank dems on key issues. The dems haven't really gotten much better, but the GOP has completely lost what they had going for them. It's culture battles that speak to hardline Republicans and nothing else. There's absolutely no depth to the party on issues anymore. Their party is too splintered to introduce real legislation or even debate issues so they're the party of banning books, protecting Trump, fighting disney, trying to strip rights away from LGTBQ, and looking for the next made up enemy. Oh, and guns.
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The biggest Nazi-like thing Desantis is doing is trying to make it easier to put people to death. He is trying make more crimes punishable by death, and make it so a 8-4 jury can approve the death penalty instead of a unanimous jury.
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DeSantis is toast before even entering the race. The idea that he stands any chance against Trump is laughable. People can compare the two, but Trump at least has charisma and some political sense.
The guy is down 30-40% in polls of GOP voters already. Trump is smashing him for his votes on social security. He's terrified to speak about Trump which makes him look weak. And his big new political plan is to target one of the most popular brands in all of America. Just a complete dumbass. Turning Florida into Alabama might work with a certain demographic but you aren't going to win in the Pennsylvania suburbs trying to close down Disney. |
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That all makes sense. But he just won reelection in a landslide against a former governor. And he wasn't hiding who he was. He didn't run as the Mitt Romney of Florida and then turn MAGA. He was this guy, and enough moderates/independents were cool with it. I'm not underestimating him. |
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It seems to me he has gone into overdrive since winning reelection, but maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention before. |
Fair point. I'm not sure if he's gotten moreso, or if the media is just paying more attention b/c he's a (likely) presidential candidate.
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I absolutely think he has gone into overdrive since winning and comparing his poll numbers around that time to now seem to bear out he has gotten way too extreme for anybody even close to moderate.
Though there are 3-4 republicans I would absolutely be happy with over either of these guys, but given that it will be between the two of them, I would 100% be happier with Trump over him as the GOP nominee and I know I was nowhere close to that 6 months ago. |
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Can't say I'm that worried about the weirdo that eats pudding with his fingers and wants to ban abortion and cut Social Security. The only question now is if he'll keep going long enough to completely wreck his future ambitions ala Rubio.
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Crist is a Republican who ran as a Democrat. Not exactly the toughest opponent. Add in the fact that the Florida Democratic Party is arguably the worst in the country (behind maybe New York) and it's not as impressive as you think. He's already getting shelled in polls against Trump and he's never had a real opponent before. I'm starting to think he won't actually run in 2024 as it looks like Trump is already eating his lunch before even entering the race. |
Seems like a great summary (thread).
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I am no lawyer but this gives me the impression FOX keeps coming back with better offers and Dominion keeps saying FU or making demands that involves FOX making major concessions regarding culpability. IF it was just about money this would have been settled.
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I'm guessing Rupert really doesn't want to testify under oath and he also doesn't want his popular employees to do the same.
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Reported there is a settlement.
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Sadly SI |
As others have said, I don't think this will matter one little bit to Fox viewers, and the Fox personalities are going to go right back at the same lies, just being careful no directly mention Dominion.
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Florida democrats are idiots who ran a Republican for governor and wonder why they lost by 19 points. The left in Florida stayed home and when given the choice between Republican and Republican-lite, the right took the original |
Sadly this will not be reported to the people it needs to be and if it does it will be presented as everyone does it and they are targeting us. These people will never learn the common denominator
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Feel like the Dominion folks are going to get a nice check too. This was a company doing like $40 million a year in revenue. Don't forget that Smartmatic also has a lawsuit on the table and has to be licking their chops. |
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Will Fox News viewers even know? There is no mention of this on foxnews.com
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Fox News will find that money to be a great investment if this wipes out Newsmax and OAN, who can't afford to buy off Dominion.
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are you crazy? Of course they will hear about it and will deny everything. |
20 years revenue. Can't fault that.
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"As part of the settlement, no admittance of guilt was made, and therefore, Fox News must be presumed innocent under law" Not that it's true, or would work on anyone with more then 34 brain cells, but, yeah. |
Pity.
Can't blame Dominion to taking the bird in hand, but it would have been nice to take it to court and drag it out |
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Trust me, I want to see Fox get defenstrated more than most, but I think no one who could be convinced that Fox News isn't the gospel truth is going to take eight hundred million as anything less than " Yeah, we fucking made shit up" And there's a small (but not infinitesimal) chance that there's MAGA maniacs on the journey eager to find a way to hang the jury, or somewhere up the line of appeals, a Trumpist judge reducing it or overturning it. It would take multiple years before they go through all the appeals levels, and get their money. It's hard to turn down $800 million now. (now, I'd like to see quite a bit of that filter down to the employees who've been threatened etcetera, but that's another thing altogether) Plus Dominion has OANN/Newsmax still on there and while it wouldn't have the same cachet as Fox News, running them into bankruptcy would be a bonus. (Newsmax Delenda Est?) Smartmatic get their crack at Fox too. And their price just went up.. |
I just have one ask on all this-can we see the over 7000 exhibits they had on Fox?
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If not now, I'm sure Smartmatic will get their hands on them... |
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Not suggesting Hannity is an A-lister, but... are you taking Ozempic, by chance? Ozempic Users Say They're Having Bizarre Dreams About a-Listers |
'I got duped': Republican senator fumes over Trump-appointed judge's ethics scandal
Murkowski and Collins are so goddamned annoyingly stupid and so full of shit as well Manchin too |
She was duped? Who is she, Estelle Costanza?
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I still think that there are valid grounds for other GOP hopefuls to attack Trump. It seems insane to me that they are in a race with a guy with a half-lap lead and they aren't trying to slow him down. Just hoping that he trips on his shoelaces or something. |
I don't know what to do there, though, as it's a guy who repeatedly shoots himself in the dick and his followers go "no, he didn't shoot himself in the dick" and when presented with video evidence go "but he meant to shoot himself in the dick". And if you try to go after him, you run a real risk of being the martyr - even if it sticks, he'll go after you so you're sunk due to Mutually Assured Destruction. So, if they all act in their self-interest, they hope someone else will take him down or he'll do it himself. But he's proven notoriously hard to sink.
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Haha, the pillow guy Mike Lindell who had put up $5 million to anyone that could prove his presidential election data wrong then failed to pay someone who did just that, has been ordered by a judge to pay it.
My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell ordered to follow through with $5 million payment to expert who debunked his false election data | CNN Politics Like Kari Lake and other election deniers, I really wish someone in their families had the courage to get them psychologically evaluated and treated. |
You can't beat Trump if part of the message is Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the GOP. You probably don't win attacking him, as the base or at least enough of it loves Trump, but when Trump is an option, you can't get anywhere promising to continue Trump's work.
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From reading the article it makes it sound like it was more of panel of experts asked by CNN. No judge ordered anything and it's unclear what if any legal authority the panel had. |
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Mike Lindell bet $5m no one could disprove his election fraud claims. Now he has to pay This article mentions that this particular arbitration panel was mentioned in the rules for the contest. So I would have to imagine it does have some weight. I hate CNN. |
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Ah I didn't read past the headline too much. Sounded from it that a judge was involved. |
It's an arbitration. I dont know the specifics here, but most arbitrations are binding and the way I read it was that CNN had some of the docs, not that they had set it up.
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The way I read it is that God came down from On High, and declared Mike Lindell a moron.
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The Mike Lindell stuff is amazing, and should be a cautionary tale for anyone who sides with Trump. Dude was a legit crack addict living in his car. Hit the lotto with this stupid pillow and could have lived out his years selling shitty pillows to octogenarians laughing all the ay to the bank. Instead the dude is either bankrupt or close to it and at some point you have to figure he will face some legal issues.
Literally everything Trump touches dies. How have people not caught on to this? |
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Remove polling places on college campuses, no longer accept college ID as a valid form of identification, remove same day voter registration, and heavy restrictions to mail in voting are all things red states are doing to keep college kids from voting. The GOP has lost Gen Z so rather than try to do something to reach them it's easier to just keep them from away from the polls. |
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Because every grifter thinks they're better than the next grifter SI |
And the highs are sooooo high. And Lindell is addicted to highs.
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From what I've read he doesn't listen to advisors and thinks he always knows best and won't course correct because he always has to be right. I think sitting out while Trump threw a few jabs was good. Let Trump get his cards on the table with how he's going to attack, the names he's going to call you, ect. However, at some point you have to fight back or their base of voters just writes you off as weak. At this point the only thing that makes sense is DeSantis thinks Trump doesn't make it through the primary so he's hoping to just outlast him. His problem there is he's going so far with culture battles that he's starting to scare of GOP support. |
Kinda funny story.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...wrong-contest/ Basically, the MyPillow guy started a contest to try to say "See, even for $5 million, they couldn't disprove the fact there was election fraud 1One!One!ONE!!!!" Then, when it came time for people to look at the "Proof". he decided not to "Because then the government would discredit it, despite it's true" So, the guy proved that what the mypillow guy presented was not evidence of election fraud. Now, the contract for the "contest" indicated that disputes on whether someone had won the contest would be handled by binding arbitration, and even said "the courts have a very high burden to overturn a binding arbitration award". The guy refused to pay, the arbitrator said "You know what the terms of the contest say, it doesn't matter if you have super duper proof there was election fraud which no one else can see, the contest states that if the applicant can prove that the data that you present is not election fraud related, then they've won the contest and you need to pay them the $5 million" He can attempt to overturn it, but again, they have a VERY high burden to overturn the arbitrator's award (and no, claiming "That evidence was incomplete. They need to jump through THIS hoop as well" is not going to fly). All they're realistically doing is adding $$$ to what they're going to owe the guy. edit: "In their 23-page decision, the arbitrators said Zeidman proved that Lindell’s material “unequivocally did not reflect November 2020 election data.” They directed Lindell’s firm to pay Zeidman within 30 days." So, the data he DID present did not only NOT indicate 2020 election fraud, it wasn't even 2020 election data! |
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I heard today a lot of doners are really unhappy with the 6 week ban he just signed off on. They aren't dopes. they understand these bands don't sit well with a significant portion of the population, then throw in his war on Disney and he starts to look pretty unelectable. |
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Which means all of us idiots could be $5M richer... |
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He gives me Ted Cruz vibes. The more the spotlight is on him the more unlikeable he is and the more self absorbed he seems. |
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He's toast. There was a window in November when Trump was getting shit on because all his handpicked candidates lost where he could have made his move and rode the momentum. Instead he gave vague speeches about wokeness and decided to go after Disney. Trump started hammering him and recovered from November. DeSantis poll numbers have cratered. I would bet he doesn't even both running. Few more weeks of this collapse and it's clear his best bet will be trying again in 2028. Although by then, he might just be Bobby Jindal. |
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Just saw a DeSantis ad here in South Carolina. Wasn't technically his ad, but clearly was a DeSantis ad. |
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Yeah, there is still some money behind him, I just don't know for how long. Remember that Fox/Murdoch was going to go all-in on DeSantis and ditch Trump. They've mostly backtracked on that after seeing how things are playing out. I think the biggest issue for DeSantis is that if he runs, Trump will obliterate him. Just non-stop attacks. We saw what that did to Cruz, Rubio, etc. But I think he'll be even harsher with DeSantis. Tough to recover from that and still be a credible national voice in the party. |
I think the strategy is act like he is running, then bow out. Trump then flounders and next cycle DeSantis runs under the strategy of " I should have run last tome, look how it ended up"
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I saw something about a big donor pulling money from DeSantis and giving $1M to Youngkin.
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The battle against Disney is exactly what the old guard republicans hate while the idiot magas love because you know Disney is where pedophilia starts…
So by picking that fight and doing and tripling down he trades big donor money (except Thiel and musk) for mama and papa and the money tucked in the box under their confederate flag. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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This sounds like a firing. Crazy. |
wow indeed, guess his lies wouldn't make enough money for Murdoch now
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Did the Dominion lawsuit hurt Fox's ratings at all? |
Maybe he's running for president.
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He's too smart for that, IMO. |
I guess OAN or some other right-of-Fox network will throw a ton of money at him.
He'll get a ton of money. They will get instant credibility. Not sure why Fox is letting the golden goose go right before some major carriage fee negotiations. |
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Pure speculation on my part. Either they're suddenly worried about credibility, or they talked to Tucker about toning down the rhetoric now that fox has settled one suit and has another coming and he refused. He knows he can take his show somewhere else. That rhetoric is what makes him relevant in GOP circles and he knows he can cash in with another network. |
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I think pundits & big GOP donors thought DeSantis would be more like Trump without quite so much baggage, and didn't count on DeSantis himself really wanting to be like Trump, but more effective at being Trump. |
There's at least one more lawsuit from Smartmatic, so if he wasn't willing to tone things down I can see the need for getting rid of him.
But it will hurt Fox. A section of the far-right is going to go full bore at them now. |
Lemon fired too.
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Yup, OAN and Newsmax will spend whatever they can to bring him over - though they can't have nearly the budget that Fox has. Honestly, kindof shocked at this. It's not like Fox is in the business of admitting they're wrong and I'm pretty sure he's still bringing in the ratings. Maybe he wanted a bigger contract and they didn't think he was worth it and they have other guys on the bench they can replace him with for cheaper and make more profit. SI |
Both OAN and Newsmax look like college tv stations, though. This is definitely a hit for him, too. Nothing has the reach and money of Fox.
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Probably not because they almost never talked about it or put it on their website. |
I think Fox realized he is a liability. I’m also wondering if they think this will help them in their smartmatic case. They can claim they are taking actions to improve their product.
My opinion is they just came to the conclusion he is more trouble than he is worth. I suspect he will either start a hugely successful podcast or sign a Joe Rogan like deal with Spotify. |
I wonder if advertisers were threatening to pull out of the network.
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There were also probably some pretty angry and raw and intense meetings over the last few weeks re: Dominion lawsuit.
I wonder if some things were said that just couldn't be unsaid after it was all over. |
Well, he was barely named in the lawsuit. It was mostly Hannity and Ingraham. But he was pretty outspoken in his texts about thinking his listeners were all idiots that need to be played to.
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Best I could find is that Tucker Carlson was paid about $40M per year. Sirius pays Howard Stern about $100M per year. Another potential home?
Also, we're to the point where Tucker Carlson is a much more toxic brand than Howard Stern, right? SI |
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Tucker Carlson producer caught in Dominion texts calling Trump election deniers ‘f***** terrorists’ | The Independent
I forgot - this wasn't him, it was one of his producers who texted: “This whole thing is surreal. Like negotiating with terrorists, but especially dumb ones. Cousin f****** types not saudi royalty.” SI |
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Didn't find out until his agent called him after his morning show. he's pissed nobody from management reached out to him to let him know. Maybe he and Tucker can have a podcast now where they reveal the behind the scenes dirt they each have about their networks :) |
I think the Fox shareholders/board of directors had had enough with a potentialily more damaging money and brand wise against the other voting machine company. We know Murdoch was okay with the lies and disinformation if it brought him more money.
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Apparently Fox is just CNN without Tucker. Or at least that's what I'm reading. Oh, and a Trump/Tucker ticket would make them rethink backing DeSantis. |
Wtf is wrong with this guy. Has anyone else's presidential aspirations died before he announced like this? |
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I dunno, if you polled people mid-2007, it was a lock to be Rudy Giuliani vs Hillary Clinton. However, I guess at least both of them made it to the primary before losing SI |
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Honestly, it seems like it comes down to Trump (seemingly) staying in the race. I was largely all-in on DeSantis in that two horse race since I believe Trump is the (R)s version of Hilary, a guaranteed loss no matter who the (D) run. At this point I suspect I'll end up back voting for Trump someday purely for entertainment value (which is how I looked at my first November vote for him) |
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I agree with Truml being Hillary at this point. He energizes the dems like no one else. DeSantis looked strong before the national spotlight went on him. Now he seems corny and shallow as a candidate. One thing republican voters liked about Trump was he seemed like a guy you could have a beer with. DeSantis seems like the annoying guy no one wants to invite out. |
I think the Tucker thing had to be related to the shareholders more than anything else. These 'performers,' at some point, have to be seen as a business liability beyond whatever benefit the bring.
I can't see this as a a good thing for Tucker whatsoever. Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly are still around (and maybe they somehow do make more money now, but I doubt it), but their status is no where near what it was 10-20 years ago. |
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