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Thomkal 09-13-2021 07:30 PM

wow wonder who paid for that?

Brian Swartz 09-13-2021 07:38 PM

Ok I've now officially seen everything. I can confidently assert that my vocabulary is not sufficient to properly express/respond to that billboard. :banghead:

Brian Swartz 09-13-2021 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
The wikipedia page for Jacobson vs Massachusetts is a reminder that we've done this all before, almost to the letter


While that's definitely a rock-solid precedent that government has the power to mandate vaccines, that's just about the only aspect that's comparable to the present situation. The situations are much different in almost every other respect.

BYU 14 09-13-2021 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3345578)
Ok I've now officially seen everything. I can confidently assert that my vocabulary is not sufficient to properly express/respond to that billboard. :banghead:


Really all you need to say is WTF

JPhillips 09-13-2021 08:45 PM

That billboard is apparently in MTG's district.

Kodos 09-13-2021 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3345588)
That billboard is apparently in IMTG's district.


IMetTrentGreen’s district? :confused:

NobodyHere 09-13-2021 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3345591)
IMetTrentGreen’s district? :confused:


Fantastic

How is that guy(gal?) doing these days?

CarterNMA 09-13-2021 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3345588)
That billboard is apparently in MTG's district.


Magic: The Gathering?

Lathum 09-13-2021 09:25 PM

mumble mumble....golden calf....mumble mumble.....

sterlingice 09-13-2021 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3345579)
While that's definitely a rock-solid precedent that government has the power to mandate vaccines, that's just about the only aspect that's comparable to the present situation. The situations are much different in almost every other respect.


This sounds awfully familiar:

Quote:

Jacobson argued that subjecting him to a fine or imprisonment for neglecting or refusing vaccination was an invasion of his liberty, the law was "unreasonable, arbitrary and oppressive", and that one should not be subjected to the law if he or she objects to vaccination, no matter the reason

As does this:

Quote:

The Court noted that Jacobson had offered proof that there were many in the medical community who believed that the smallpox vaccine would not stop the spread of the disease and, in fact, may cause other diseases of the body.[2] However, the opinions offered by Jacobson were "more formidable by their number than by their inherent value" and "[w]hat everybody knows, ... [the] opposite theory accords with the common belief and is maintained by high medical authority."


Or this:

Quote:

The anti-vaccine movement mobilized following the decision, and the Anti-Vaccination League of America was founded three years later to promote the principle that "health is nature's greatest safeguard against disease and that therefore no State has the right to demand of anyone the impairment of his or her health". The League warned about what it believed to be the dangers of vaccination and the dangers of allowing the intrusion of government and science into private life, part of the broader process identified with the Progressive Movement. The League asked, "We have repudiated religious tyranny; we have rejected political tyranny; shall we now submit to medical tyranny?"


Or how the founder of said Anti-Vaccination League (Pitcairn) was part of a fake "both sides"-ism paper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P..._titlepage.jpg


SI

tarcone 09-13-2021 09:48 PM

The end times say their is an anti Christ. Thought it might be Putin. And indications say it is someone from Eastern Europe.

But Trump fits the bill. Add in a pandemic and a plague of locusts that hit DC, you just never know.

NobodyHere 09-13-2021 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3345601)
The end times say their is an anti Christ. Thought it might be Putin. And indications say it is someone from Eastern Europe.


What indications are these? I thought the the Anti-Christ was suppose to be a charismatic person. Have you ever met a charismatic person from Eastern-Europe?

Brian Swartz 09-13-2021 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
This sounds awfully familiar:


Does it? Doesn't to me. There's no law passed by the people's representatives in this case, the law in the Jacobson case was a state law that allowed communities to mandate vaccines if they saw fit but didn't require them to. Smallpox, which we can all certainly be thankful is eradicated, was far more deadly than COVID ever thought of being, vaccines for it had been around for over a century, there was no testing 'off ramp' there, etc. To say nothing of the vast differences in scientific/medical understanding between then and now.

Point being, there are a great many differences that when the litigation this time around inevitable reaches SCOTUS the court will likely consider.

sterlingice 09-13-2021 10:30 PM

Not in the litigation but in the situation, but, hey, continue with the literalist approach if that is all you can see

SI

Brian Swartz 09-13-2021 10:53 PM

That's not what I thought you were talking about the way you kept referring back to the case itself, saying it was the same 'almost to the letter', etc. *shrug*.

Lathum 09-14-2021 12:10 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/polit...ear/index.html

Brian Swartz 09-14-2021 01:10 PM

Sounds about right.

Flasch186 09-14-2021 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3345605)
Not in the litigation but in the situation, but, hey, continue with the literalist approach if that is all you can see

SI


Only when convenient.

molson 09-14-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3345637)


That whole article is worth a read, and I'm sure the book as well.

Crazy and scary stuff, and also Trump threatening to not be Pence's friend anymore if Pence refused to overturn the election results.

And it's not like Pence was some hero. He grappled with the decision. He did what everyone should do when they have a difficult decision to make, he called Dan Quayle. Quayle talked him out of it.

RainMaker 09-14-2021 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3345637)


Fucking fascists.

BYU 14 09-14-2021 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3345650)
That whole article is worth a read, and I'm sure the book as well.

Crazy and scary stuff, and also Trump threatening to not be Pence's friend anymore if Pence refused to overturn the election results.

And it's not like Pence was some hero. He grappled with the decision. He did what everyone should do when they have a difficult decision to make, he called Dan Quayle. Quayle talked him out of it.


Just got done reading that and the bolded quote alone should say all you need to hear. Seriously high school student body elections dont have this kind of drama

Lathum 09-14-2021 03:00 PM

The problem with this is the people who need to see it and understand the dysfunction he sows either won't see it because it will never see the light of day on the networks they watch, or may see it and will just say it is fake news.

Lathum 09-14-2021 03:05 PM

It really is fascinating to see all the people, Ivanka, Kushner, Pence, Barr, etc...try and control and reason with this monster they helped create.

albionmoonlight 09-14-2021 05:28 PM

Trump is evil and horrible.

But I am also not cool with military leaders working against the civilian commander in chief and then being praised for it. All sorts of ways that can go wrong.

JPhillips 09-14-2021 05:38 PM

It's great that Manchin and Sinema think the filibuster is more important than doing what needs to be done to make this much less likely.

miami_fan 09-14-2021 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3345673)
Trump is evil and horrible.

But I am also not cool with military leaders working against the civilian commander in chief and then being praised for it. All sorts of ways that can go wrong.


This.

Brian Swartz 09-14-2021 06:15 PM

I would say that's a feature, not a bug. Having a President with the power to use nuclear weapons to me implies the necessity of having checks against them being used capriciously.

molson 09-14-2021 06:19 PM

I don't think any of know what the Join Chairman's role is in the government procedure prior to a nuclear attack on China to be sure that he seized power unlawfully.

bhlloy 09-14-2021 06:20 PM

Already seeing the Trump playbook in the CA recall election even before the polls close and a single ballot is counted. I doubt we will see a clean election and a concession speech in any election that matters for a very long time.

Flasch186 09-14-2021 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3345679)
Already seeing the Trump playbook in the CA recall election even before the polls close and a single ballot is counted. I doubt we will see a clean election and a concession speech in any election that matters for a very long time.


The irony is if they then win don't they have to continue to attack the process even though?

Brian Swartz 09-14-2021 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flasch186
Only when convenient.


Interesting that you don't object to what I post when I talk about having voted for Biden, when I advocate for aggressive action to combat climate change, when I post about being in favor of increasing immigration or wanting to eliminate the prison system or agreeing that Trump was a terrible President who I'm glad isn't in office anymore ...

No, those posts are never suspect. It's only those where I have an opinion contrary to the unofficial FOFC Party Line.

sterlingice 09-14-2021 08:31 PM

There's definitely an FOFC Party Line and we're definitely out to get you. We coordinate using my 99% full inbox and take turns picking which one of us will take you to task for not being completely in line with what we're thinking.

SI

NobodyHere 09-14-2021 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3345681)
Interesting that you don't object to what I post when I talk about having voted for Biden, when I advocate for aggressive action to combat climate change, when I post about being in favor of increasing immigration or wanting to eliminate the prison system or agreeing that Trump was a terrible President who I'm glad isn't in office anymore ...

No, those posts are never suspect. It's only those where I have an opinion contrary to the unofficial FOFC Party Line.


So if we eliminate the prison system, then what should we do with the people convicted in participating in the 1/6 riots?

Lathum 09-14-2021 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3345681)
Interesting that you don't object to what I post when I talk about having voted for Biden, when I advocate for aggressive action to combat climate change, when I post about being in favor of increasing immigration or wanting to eliminate the prison system or agreeing that Trump was a terrible President who I'm glad isn't in office anymore ...

No, those posts are never suspect. It's only those where I have an opinion contrary to the unofficial FOFC Party Line.


You just really like to argue for the sake of arguing and it can be exhausting...

bhlloy 09-14-2021 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3345680)
The irony is if they then win don't they have to continue to attack the process even though?


If they win, they will say they would have won by more. It's perfectly consistent. Never mind the fact that CA skews pretty Democrat overall or that exit polls show they turned out about 43-26 over Republicans, it's all a con. I have a pretty good friend all over Facebook saying the results are based on how many fake votes were cast. We're fucked as a country.

PilotMan 09-14-2021 11:52 PM

And which group was it that has set about to tear down trust in our institutions?

And which group questioned the legitimacy of the President?

And which group set in motion the politicking of the Supreme Court to serve their own ends?

And which group has questioned the ongoing legitimacy of democratic elections and the entire election process?

And which group insists that god should be the authority of the United States?

And which group attacked the seat of Democracy for the US and the entire free world over the defeat of a demagogue?

And which group questions the legitimacy and expertise of the nations most important scientists?

And which group is more concerned about someone getting $300/wk than a trillion dollar company paying zero income taxes?

And which group is ......I mean....it doesn't end. It goes on forever.

PilotMan 09-14-2021 11:55 PM

Here's another one I don't get. If god is now going to expel the godless from government.....didn't he already do his job? Point being that God allows all things to happen and already knows the final result. So should that have already happened? Or if the US is a god lead country, and trump was chosen, wasn't Biden also chosen instead as we move forward?

The inconsistencies and cognitive dissonance are dizzying.

Brian Swartz 09-15-2021 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere
if we eliminate the prison system, then what should we do with the people convicted in participating in the 1/6 riots?


I would propose giving them other punishments appropriate to their crimes, which would vary depending on the crime in question.

Ksyrup 09-15-2021 06:13 AM

Once Texas clues us all in on how to magically eliminate rape, we won't need prisons.

Flasch186 09-15-2021 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3345695)
I would propose giving them other punishments appropriate to their crimes, which would vary depending on the crime in question.


What's the punishment for Sedition and Treason?

Treason - Wikipedia

See how that works?

Lathum 09-15-2021 07:36 AM

What ever happened to the Arizona audit?

Ksyrup 09-15-2021 07:54 AM

Well, there's this:

Arizona Supreme Court denies state Senate's appeal to avoid releasing election audit records


Funny how the "transparency in elections" people want to hide the audit records.

Ksyrup 09-15-2021 08:00 AM

Type in Arizona Audit in Twitter and go to Top. It's like a journey through a bipolar mind. Half "phony audit," half "fraud was proven - decertify!"

Qwikshot 09-15-2021 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3345699)
Once Texas clues us all in on how to magically eliminate rape, we won't need prisons.


Well since Texas is open carry, why do they even need police?

NobodyHere 09-15-2021 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwikshot (Post 3345713)
Well since Texas is open carry, why do they even need police?


To monitor federal military "exercises"?

Swaggs 09-15-2021 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3345695)
I would propose giving them other punishments appropriate to their crimes, which would vary depending on the crime in question.


So, sort of like a system of laws that someone, perhaps elected or appointed officials, design and enforce and are based on the severity of the criminal act?

BYU 14 09-15-2021 11:34 AM

I finally caught Trump in a truth, because if he runs and wins again in 3 years, his dire prediction may very well come true.

Donald Trump Predicts America Will End Within 3 Years

Brian Swartz 09-15-2021 12:27 PM



This has been your dumb Facebook post for the day.

Brian Swartz 09-15-2021 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs
sort of like a system of laws that someone, perhaps elected or appointed officials, design and enforce and are based on the severity of the criminal act?


Sure, I don't have any opposition to the people's representatives determining punishments, I think that's appropriate. What I'm against is long-term prison sentences being among the punishments 'menu'.

NobodyHere 09-15-2021 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3345731)
Sure, I don't have any opposition to the people's representatives determining punishments, I think that's appropriate. What I'm against is long-term prison sentences being among the punishments 'menu'.


So if long term imprisonment is off the table, what specifically should happen to someone like Sirhan Sirhan (RFK's killer who has just been recommended for parole)?


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