When I saw CNN showing the process that was going on in Pittsburgh earlier today, the first thought that popped in my head was it being dangerous to show a closeup of the face of the guy who was examining the ballot lest he be identified.

Australian paper LOL.

Today's front page: "One small hand clinging to everything except reality". https://t.co/vyyUKcrXn3 pic.twitter.com/jnYgXsOfbQ

— The Saturday Paper (@SatPaper) November 6, 2020

They say Biden is going to make a speech tonight but they don't have a time. Biden should just decide once and for all, and either set a time or just say deferred till later.

Biden might have cancelled the speech. I wonder if they thought it'd be called tonight.

I think this is starting to get weird for people who don't follow every small ballot drop out of Allegheny County. People were telling my girlfriend at work this was going to go on for a month and end up in the Supreme Court again.

CNN reported a bit ago he is still planning on speaking tonight

And you damn well know that DeJoy demanded multiple sweeps looking for them today, unlike the last few days when a judge ruled it.

SI

There is no parody better than Trump supporters.

Right now in Philly... pic.twitter.com/9yYhxuxMKf

— Manny Alicandro (@Manny_Alicandro) November 7, 2020

Jesus, can you swing and miss any worse than playing this song as a Trumpers rebellion anthem? LOL

If you would have told younger me that I would be this invested in wanting the Democratic nominee to win I could have never believed it.

9k votes just updated for PA and Biden's lead went from 21k to 27k. Looks like that was a chunk from Allegheny County.

So the head of Trump's legal team isn't even a lawyer?

The race is over and media outlets are just cowards. Biden should speak because he has won. Let CNN or whatever jerk themselves off for another couple days if they want.

I basically had a similar situation with one of my brothers tonight, His post was tagged by Facebook for having misleading information, and when I tried to point out why they did that and why it was harmful, he completely ignored what I said and attacked me personally, I'm probably going to have stop talking to half my brothers altogether.

Let him throw a temper tantrum. This thing is done

FWIW it is crazy for an otherwise normal sibling relationship to be busted because of political differences. I'd just say set the rule to not talk about politics (that's what FOFC is for!).

I'm pretty sure I know the SIL and BIL (and probably FIL) who voted Trump. We'd never have another Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner if we talked politics.

We try to do that back when we got together before covid, and I try not to say anything to them on Facebook but all this voting fraud crap just sparked my last nerve. Kinda glad COVID is keeping us apart.

Just unfollow them on Facebook. You stay friends but don’t see their posts. I have had to do that with a lot of my wife’s family including my mother in law.

Yeah sadly that's the way its headed I think

I live close by and can take care of things for you!

In my group chat right now: pic.twitter.com/juzGB5OrSY

— King Williams (@IamKingWilliams) November 7, 2020

Heh, these are the brothers who live closer to me than the ones in NY :)

Do we know how many of the three votes went for Trump? That might change some of the network projection models.

Biden sounds like he's getting ready to talk

Why are they so scared to call this?

They predicted Biden would come back from 600k down and win PA and he did. Everything has went according to what they thought and hes up 30k votes.

Trump bribing the networks to not call it?

Yep. His motorcade just arrived in Wilmington

NY Times reporting Philadelphia and Allegheny have called it a night.

Do you think Pence is saying: Shit, I want io be a senator in Indiana, I need to shut mtmouth

The networks were parroting "count the votes" back in Wed & Thu when it was still shaky.

It's tough to call it now when it's still mathematical (however improbable) possible for Trump to come back. The hang up now seems to be the provisional and military ballots.

I do agree they can call it now. But because of Trump and Trumpsters, the media is playing it safe where they can't point fingers back at them or elevate conspiracy theories.

Very True!

I wonder if going forward they will stick to this and draw this out days?

I am sure they called Cali/New York/Illinois on Election night when a mathematical probability existed.

This is a fascinating (and long) thread on the concerted voter fraud effort from the Trump campaign. Starts with tweets on October 22 and continues to today.

1/ I want to focus on this segment, which has been touted as a great example of holding a Trump administration official to account on false accusations of voter fraud. Folks are right to praise @HallieJackson but please listen closely to what Gidley is saying, as it is revealing. https://t.co/lSwwEqi5XC

— Justin Hendrix #ProtectTheResults (@justinhendrix) October 23, 2020

Yes, I agree.

That's why they not calling it now because they want to "count the votes" seems contradictory to Tue. But it's understandable.

Eh, it was an okay Biden speech. Still a little miffed at him making us wait without giving us a time earlier.

"Made the pivot from candidate to president-elect". I agree

And keep on ignoring Trump and not mentioning his name.

I think the issue is that the votes slowed to a crawl after this morning. I have a feeling the networks thought for sure PA would have hit +50k in the early afternoon. It seems to me that they are waiting for it to hit a lead of 0.5% before they call it (which is 35k I think)?

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LOL, well if you missed what Biden said, you can hear just about every word retweeted by someone on Twitter

BREAKING: Trump's chief of staff, Mark Meadows, has the coronavirus. Meadows informed a close circle of advisers after the election.

Story by me, @tylerpager and @MarioDParker out soon.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) November 7, 2020

Mark Meadows celebrating the defeat by contracting COVID

Think of how this looks if they call it and Trump somehow comes back and wins a state or god-forbid win the election. Pretty soon there won't be enough uncounted ballots that Trump can come back from and I think that's when they will call it

Haha fuck that guy.

Can I offer a bit of context on the military voter for some context? This info is from a survey about the 2018 election. This is for all military members, not just those overseas. Last set of numbers I saw were around 170,000 overseas.

61% of the 1.3 million active duty military members were registered to vote in 2018. That was 12 percentage points less than the civilian population when adjusted for demographic differences.

26% of military members voted in 2018 compared to 52% of civilians with the same adjustments

49% of military members lacked interest in voting with 24% explicitly uninterested and 25% neither interested or uninterested.

When comparing 2014 election to 2018 elections

More military members requested an absentee ballot from 47% to 53%

More who requested a ballot received one from 36%to 42%

BUT fewer of those who did receive a ballot returned it from 82% to 78%

I also have a few more stats from 2018. These are for the non military overseas voter.

4.8 million U.S citizens overseas
2.9 million of them were eligible to vote.
135,507 ballots from overseas citizens were received

Source- State of the Military Voter

Sorry Joe, I am going to wait before I believe that the vast majority of the 150 million Americans who voted want to get the vitriol out of our politics.

It is not you, it's me.

Michigan and Wisconsin were definitely called before there was a mathematical guarantee. They just passed that threshold recently - if they even have yet with provisional ballots.

It is a conscious decision not to call the race, I think they're just intimidated.

pic.twitter.com/rLPpoTgV4g

— leslie (@MightBeLeslie) November 5, 2020

CNN admitted with the pending lawsuits and Trump's misinformation on the election they're slower to make the final call.

Nate Silver more or less said the race was over and the network heads weren't letting them call it. Wasserman was also pushed on why they haven't made a call and couldn't give an answer.

The AP has been putting out their reasoning for most races but it is poorly done and not consistent state to state.

Guys. I need to make a confession. I committed voter fraud. I voted for Joe Biden.

So in other words it was a typical FOFC debate?

These kinds of situations always suck - I usually do what others have suggested and just ignore the political stuff from people who it's not helpful to engage. I hope you're able to find a healthy way through this; I don't think it's productive for political differences to split family apart.

Magnificent

I'm often not the best judge of these things, but I think this is the best remix I've done. pic.twitter.com/zXSEwPEytn

— Jonathan Mann (@songadaymann) November 6, 2020

Hey, remember when POTUS was a respectable position and not just a meme generating platform?

Still, this tweet is spectacular.

STOP THE COUNT pic.twitter.com/rS94knWEhO

— Southampton FC (@SouthamptonFC) November 6, 2020

I haven't heard that.

Instead, I'm hearing below. I know there is truth in both statements but I really believe the below, by itself, is disingenuous. CNN should just say both and I am sure many will understand.

They explained on air while I was watching yesterday what I described. Because of Trump misinformation on voter fraud plus the lawsuits they are basically waiting for it to be statistically impossible before calling.

I just rewatched that Rove 2012 meltdown video. They called Ohio when Obama was 30k up and 27% of the vote was still remaining. And it actually tightened right after that.

Nate Silver said the the theories that the delay were caused by external factors were "stupid" while another 538 writer said just a few days earlier that the race being "contentious" played a part.

Of course they're a part of ABC news we're not getting their normal analysis on this.

Maybe they just don't want to get sued.

Enjoying Morning Joe.

Joe basically said Trump has intimidated the media and it's not the media's job to worry about what society will say or react.

Mika responded by saying it wasn't for Trump, it was for the country (e.g. I read it as for the GOP voters). I hate it but I'm okay waiting a tad longer as MSM had been constantly "count the votes" on Wed & Thu.

We've waited 4 years to get rid of him, whats a few more days?

If Pennsylvania falls within the recount margin, state law gives them three weeks to complete it. Not sure about Georgia. Would the networks call those states with a recount going on?

Last night, I chuckled when a commentator said to the effect "if I was Joe, I would think I've waiting 40 (?) years for this, what's another 4 days".

Election Called by CNN and MSNBC Biden wins PA and the Presidency.

The latest batch put him over 30k lead in PA.

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CNN just called it, switched of to Fox News and some pollster is screaming how CNN has explaining to do

CNN, ABC, and NBC have all called it.

CBS, too. Forgot to check them.

Van is a boss

Sounds like the BBC called it and then CNN called it. LOL

FOX News hasnt. Wonder how many Trumpers don't realize their guy just lost (unofficially)

They should have realized it for a day or two now, but with how chaotic it's going, fed by the president himself, their denial is understandable.

Fox now calling it and calling Nevada for Biden as well as Pennsylvania.

I'm happy they finally called it.

Let's see how the Trumpers react.

Question - so who was first (actually second I guess) to call it - CNN? and wonder if the others had stuff all setup, ready to press the button when someone else called it (probably).

Yeah. Fox showing 290-214. :lol::lol::lol:

Fox called it

Has OAN called it?

Too busy drinking the laced red kool aid

Rudy's press conference is being held at a landscaping company next to a dirty book store.

Just checked, no.

So for the spouses, is it the First Lady and the Second Gentleman?

Heh. Trump is at his golf course. He'll have to drive through celebrations to get back to the WH

Trump got the full 2020 experience. He got COVID, then he got fired.

No. They are "the current partner in life of..." the President elect and Vice-President elect. It's outdated to have a special terms for it and maintain the inequality between people that by mother earth's flip of the coin by birth were supposedly made fit or not fit to get tagged with it. Retire these terms, this is the opportune, of not the perfect, moment for it.

... if he actually plans on returning to the WH.

Unfortunately, he'll probably take Marine One.

My FB feed is a steady stream of mainly Georgians and Floridians who I thought were otherwise normal people just going off on how the election was stolen and how we'l be a communist/socialist country in less than 4 years. I actually got in the middle of a conversation between my wife and her sister where she was spouting all of the election fraud conspiracy stuff and tried to calmly explain some of the stuff I know she has never heard (i.e., the truth) and she hung up on us and called their mother crying hysterically.

I feel like I have to completely reprioritize the people I want anywhere near my life, and I don't care if it impacts family or not. I'm a lifelong moderate conservative who voted for a Democrat at the national level for the first time in my life and I'm being treated like I'm an Antifa Bernie Bro.

This is what Donald Trump has done to our nation.

Thank god I am not at that point with my family but there is tension for sure. I agree you need to reprioritize. If these people won't accept a "no politics" policy it has to move to a no relationship policy.

It's terribly sad.

I agree with you but ummm have you noticed how the United States has been dealing with gender neutral terms? We are trying to bring the country together. I can't be completely sure that introducing such a change won't derail that unity train before it gets started. Baby steps.

Still pretty positive Bernie would have carried all of the midwestern states. He was a bulldog rather than Biden pussycat. And He spoke of great messages like a president. Nothing he said was controversial. Hell they labelled Biden and Harris as socialists and their party bought it when they are anything but..


and yes it does sound like you need new friends or at least try to talk sense to the old ones if that is at all possible

I'm glad I culled the Trumpers from my FB feed. Just celebration and happiness on my social media. We are lifting all of our spirits together.

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I think Trump beats Bernie pretty easily based on the results we see here. Joe was the best nominee to defeat Trump (not my personal choice of who I like the best)

Me too. We were going to invite my in laws over tonight to watch Hamilton but I don't think we can all be in the same space today.

I know a ton of Never Trumpers and not a single one of us would have voted for Bernie. I would have gone Libertarian like the last 3 elections.

These are my rural Ohio friends. I don't understand the fear when the most likely outcome just happened 2012-2016.

It's mostly irrational, but the one thing that is different is Biden's age.

I hope this is real.

Quality aside, what a great photo of U.S. President-Elect Joe Biden wearing a Philadelphia #Phillies uniform for a congressional softball game in the 1970s, the number 46 is just next level prophetic (photo via @KeithOlbermann) pic.twitter.com/H2zu4rWlIu

— SportsLogos.Net (@sportslogosnet) November 7, 2020

I'm of this belief, too. And I say this as someone who voted for Warren in the primary.

SI

The 6 looks suspicious.

Watching Fox News right now and it's over. Karl Rove is congratulating Biden, Chris Wallace is pointing out all the GOPers congratulating him and says look at our chyron, it says Biden is 46th president.

Are they avoiding using the term "president-elect"? Or did they back off on that?

ETA: I'm referring to this

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/06/media...lan/index.html

Yeah, I have to admit, I'm too optimistic about this issue.

The gender issues are not specific to the USA, really. All our related languages are infected with "he" and "she", "-man" and "-woman". Even when you try to use a gender neutral term, people automatically assume that neutral is a man.

First hand experience, last couple of months, every time I told people I have a new 'manager' (the title doesn't 100% fit, but it works for the purposes of the context), they ask me "what is he like?". Me response: "he is a she". Their response: "okay, what does she look like, is she hot/cute?" My response: "that's irrelevant, she's my manager".

But at the same time, it's also a matter of just doing it. First Spouse, Second Spouse. But I get it, "Lady" and "Gentleman" sound much fancier than "Spouse". First Significant Other is way too long as well. :D

Bernie couldn't get his voters out for the primary yet he was going to get 70+ million in the general?

Trump would have gotten his landslide against Bernie and I was a Warren supporter as well. The socialism stuff was sticking on a career moderate, it would have destroyed Bernie's campaign.

Big chyron says "Joe Biden elected 46th president"

Exactly. I wouldn't have voted for him because he wouldn't have had a chance in hell of winning, so I would have treated it like the past few elections where I voted 3rd party.

Was watching Fox about 30 minutes ago. They were using "President-Elect" freely.

COVID killed his campaign in February. Bernie is useless if you can't get that guy in front of a crowd. Dems were not throwing away their shot.