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GrantDawg 03-03-2023 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3394578)
In grade school?

SI

That coal isn't going to mine itself. 10year olds are just the right height to get in there deep, and they don't even have to be paid the full minimum wage.

sterlingice 03-03-2023 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3394596)
That coal isn't going to mine itself. 10year olds are just the right height to get in there deep, and they don't even have to be paid the full minimum wage.


It's like people are incapable of making the same mistakes we made in the past. You'd think we could avoid some of those. Like I get making new mistakes, but looking at the history of labor in this country and being like "yeah, we should go back to when the owners of companies killed strikers with impunity and kids were literally worked to death - we should head back there!" How does that even happen? (My guess is not knowing any of the history? Or not caring because of some ignorant notion that those things won't affect you)

SI

albionmoonlight 03-03-2023 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3394600)
(Or not caring because of some ignorant notion that those things won't affect you)

SI


I think that lack of empathy is a lot of it.

They won't make *my* kids work in the mines. So why should I care?

Ghost Econ 03-03-2023 07:31 AM

Hunger Games was a documentary.

cuervo72 03-03-2023 07:44 AM

Well if they can't use their trafficked kids for sex, they gotta use them for something.

miked 03-03-2023 08:16 AM

Well, if something bad happened in the past, you can't teach it in most states because it may make white people feel bad.

Edward64 03-03-2023 11:48 PM

Whew, finally. Hope the daughter is doing better nowadays.

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Kellyanne Conway and her husband George have reportedly split after 22 years. Kellyanne and George wed in 2001 and had four children - Claudia, Vanessa, Charlotte, and George - together. They reported have hired lawyers and are working to split their assets. The couple's political rift was brought up in Kellyanne's 2022 memoir Here's The Deal, where she revealed she thought of his criticism as a betrayal to their marriage. She considered his tweets 'cheating' and it was revealed Trump's daughter Ivanka had suggested the pair seek therapy.

cuervo72 03-04-2023 02:09 PM

Just got back from lunch, where I was immediately greeted by a man at another table going on about "Steny Hoyer and all the other Maryland Communists," how Zelenskyy is a con man, everyone is violating a peace agreement of 2014 that forbids anyone adjacent from Russia from joining NATO; Putin only wants to free the 80% of the populace which is Russian, not Ukrainian, from being butchered by Nazis -- not NEO-Nazis but ACTUAL NAZIS -- that have already slaughtered tens of thousands (only Tucker will tell you this or maybe [unintelligible] who used to be a lib but now is 80% MAGA); can no longer get RT on YouTube but they are only a *little* bit of propaganda but mostly legit world news; Putin is mostly an upright guy, yeah maybe he's killed a couple of reporters but Hilary's Mafia has killed at least ten so it's really no different. Holy SHIT what these people believe and go on and on about.

Atocep 03-04-2023 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3394687)
Just got back from lunch, where I was immediately greeted by a man at another table going on about "Steny Hoyer and all the other Maryland Communists," how Zelenskyy is a con man, everyone is violating a peace agreement of 2014 that forbids anyone adjacent from Russia from joining NATO; Putin only wants to free the 80% of the populace which is Russian, not Ukrainian, from being butchered by Nazis -- not NEO-Nazis but ACTUAL NAZIS -- that have already slaughtered tens of thousands (only Tucker will tell you this or maybe who used to be a lib but now is 80% MAGA); can no longer get RT on YouTube but they are only a *little* bit of propaganda but mostly legit world news; Putin is mostly an upright guy, yeah maybe he's killed a couple of reporters but Hilary's Mafia has killed at least ten so it's really no different. Holy SHIT what these people believe and go on and on about.



If you want confirmation that there's a massive issue with mental illness in this country all you have to do is check MAGA people's thoughts on Putin and Russia on social media.

cuervo72 03-04-2023 02:52 PM

Also, Haley has no fucking chance with these people.

Edward64 03-04-2023 07:56 PM

Doesn't mean much right now but do think there is a point where DeSantis needs to declare or else GOP money will go to Trump. Not sure when this is though, probably 2H 2023.

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Former President Donald Trump easily won the Conservative Political Action Conference’s (CPAC) closely watched straw poll on Saturday, notching a symbolic win among the Republican grassroots as he seeks to reclaim the White House in 2024.

Trump won with 62 percent, while Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), likely his closest rival, came in at 20 percent. Businessman Perry Johnson, who announced his candidacy for the White House this week, earned 5 percent.

JPhillips 03-04-2023 08:06 PM

If Trump goes with Tiny D for DeSantis his base will fucking love it.

Atocep 03-04-2023 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3394713)
Doesn't mean much right now but do think there is a point where DeSantis needs to declare or else GOP money will go to Trump. Not sure when this is though, probably 2H 2023.


CPAC was the minor league show this week for the GOP. The Club for Growth also held an event which is where all the GOP money is and Trump wasn't invited.

Lathum 03-07-2023 03:42 PM

Kevin McCarthy and Carlson should be fired into the sun.

Ksyrup 03-08-2023 05:14 PM

KY has odd year governor elections so not only are we're getting all the commercials, but since the incumbent is a Democrat, all the commercials are GOP.

I've heard the phrase "woke agenda" so many times that I just automatically break out into a "WOKE AGENDA, WOKE AGENDA, WOO OH OH KE AGEENNNN NNNN DA!" song to the tune of Hallelujah (the church song, not Cohen's). It's about all I can do to keep my sanity. And it's just March.

JPhillips 03-08-2023 05:32 PM

I was pretty surprised to see GOP primary commercials when I was in KY during Christmas.

Ghost Econ 03-09-2023 07:15 AM

The Lieutenant Governor of Tennessee was using his official account to like and affirmatively comments on pics of a young gay man. The Lt. Gov. Has supported the anti-LGBTQ laws passed and proposed in Tennessee.

His team's response to the accusations are amazing and insane in how normalized they are for the Republican party.

Tennessee Lt. Governor McNally's Instagram account commented on man's photos

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Trying to imply something sinister or inappropriate about a great-grandfather’s use of social media says more about the mind of the left-wing operative making the implication than it does about Randy McNally,” the statement read. “As anyone in Tennessee politics knows, Lt. Governor McNally is a prolific social media commenter. He takes great pains to view every post he can and frequently posts encouraging things to many of his followers. Does he always use the proper emoji at the proper time? Maybe not. But he enjoys interacting with constituents and Tennesseans of all religions, backgrounds and orientations on social media. He has no intention of stopping.


Thomkal 03-10-2023 08:29 AM

The news that Trump is about to be indicted in NY over the Stormy Daniels case (he was invited to testify before the Grand jury and Michael Cohen has testified like 19 times recently on it) has clearly thrown him over the edge:


https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/...14619001065472

Lathum 03-10-2023 09:20 AM

This is a nothing burger which will ultimately help him.

NobodyHere 03-10-2023 09:40 AM

I'm no lawyer, but if criminal charges are brought against Trump, then Voir Dire is going to be fun. Good luck trying to find people who have no strong opinions on Trump and have fun weeding out the people that do have agendas. You know there are liberals out there that would like to be the ones that put Trump behind bars as well as conservatives who would do anything to keep their deity from going to jail.

Thomkal 03-10-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3395261)
I'm no lawyer, but if criminal charges are brought against Trump, then Voir Dire is going to be fun. Good luck trying to find people who have no strong opinions on Trump and have fun weeding out the people that do have agendas. You know there are liberals out there that would like to be the ones that put Trump behind bars as well as conservatives who would do anything to keep their deity from going to jail.



Yeah I agree but where would you go in the country to find jurors who aren't biased for or against him? They are going to have to be extra thorough in their jury questionnaires and selection process. Try to find people who have pretty much ignored everything political or Trump related.

Lathum 03-10-2023 11:20 AM

Do you guys think he will ever actually go to a jury trial? I don't.

Thomkal 03-10-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3395269)
Do you guys think he will ever actually go to a jury trial? I don't.



I do. He will try every legal manuever he can to delay or dismiss like we saw with his taxes until he has no other choice but to face a jury. I don't think he can plead the 5th there. And the rape trial with Carroll and two other women is moving forward too today. Now he might try to make a deal at that point to try to get a lesser sentence, but even that may be too much for him to admit he's guilty. I honestly think he's going to end up in a prison with psychology evaluation and treatment whether he wants it or not.

stevew 03-10-2023 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3395265)
Yeah I agree but where would you go in the country to find jurors who aren't biased for or against him? They are going to have to be extra thorough in their jury questionnaires and selection process. Try to find people who have pretty much ignored everything political or Trump related.


Basically this skit

O.J. Simpson Jurors Are Hard to Come By (James Franco) - SNL - YouTube

Thomkal 03-10-2023 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3395277)



LOL, yep that's about it

Lathum 03-10-2023 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3395274)
I do. He will try every legal manuever he can to delay or dismiss like we saw with his taxes until he has no other choice but to face a jury. I don't think he can plead the 5th there. And the rape trial with Carroll and two other women is moving forward too today. Now he might try to make a deal at that point to try to get a lesser sentence, but even that may be too much for him to admit he's guilty. I honestly think he's going to end up in a prison with psychology evaluation and treatment whether he wants it or not.


The man has had zero accountability his whole life, and that was before any prosecution against him would be hyper politicized. I don't see it happening now.

Ksyrup 03-14-2023 06:57 PM

DeSantis revoked a Miami Hyatt's liquor license for hosting a drag queen Christmas show that allowed minors to attend the show with adults.

Suddenly, parents don't know what's best for their children when the parents make the wrong choices according to one side of the political aisle.

JPhillips 03-14-2023 06:59 PM

I know Tiny D is counting on his social stances to win the nomination but I just think this is toxic to the suburban voters he needs to win back to the GOP.

Ksyrup 03-14-2023 09:25 PM

But will they vote?

RainMaker 03-14-2023 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3395794)
DeSantis revoked a Miami Hyatt's liquor license for hosting a drag queen Christmas show that allowed minors to attend the show with adults.

Suddenly, parents don't know what's best for their children when the parents make the wrong choices according to one side of the political aisle.


Marriott still has their liquor license.

Orlando Marriott hosts white nationalist conference with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene – Orlando Sentinel

Atocep 03-15-2023 12:07 PM

Trump filed an ethics complaint against DeSantis accusing him of undermining his presidential campaign with a "shadow campaign".

This is likely to put pressure on DeSantis to formerly announce a run, but DeSantis is really getting to Trump.

NobodyHere 03-15-2023 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3395794)
DeSantis revoked a Miami Hyatt's liquor license for hosting a drag queen Christmas show that allowed minors to attend the show with adults.

Suddenly, parents don't know what's best for their children when the parents make the wrong choices according to one side of the political aisle.


I'm not taking any sides with this post but what does it say about our country when drag shows are a current hot button issue?

Can't we talk more about reducing the deficit or something?

albionmoonlight 03-15-2023 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3395884)
I'm not taking any sides with this post but what does it say about our country when drag shows are a current hot button issue?

Can't we talk more about reducing the deficit or something?


A major bank failed, and the GOP response is that it was too woke.

All is culture war.

Lathum 03-15-2023 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3395884)
I'm not taking any sides with this post but what does it say about our country when drag shows are a current hot button issue?

Can't we talk more about reducing the deficit or something?


Because the GOP loses on those issues. They have tapped into their bases primal instincts and fear. They hate what they don't understand and isn't like them. It has become ok to say the quiet parts out loud. A large part of their base are poor and uneducated, and the rest of the base capitalizes off those things, so why would anyone want to upend that?

albionmoonlight 03-15-2023 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3395888)
Because the GOP loses on those issues.


Yup. Biden just released a budget that calls for more taxes and more spending.

And McCarthy gave the whole "There is too much taxing and spending already" response.

And the GOP base just did not care. They are way more into drag queen story hour.

The GOP has trained their voters to not care about economic issues (except as proxy for culture issues (i.e. too many black people getting welfare)). So their base does not care about economic issues.

It has helped keep the base energized in the short term, but I wonder if the long-term strategy is a bit lacking.

GrantDawg 03-15-2023 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3395888)
Because the GOP loses on those issues. They have tapped into their bases primal instincts and fear. They hate what they don't understand and isn't like them. It has become ok to say the quiet parts out loud. A large part of their base are poor and uneducated, and the rest of the base capitalizes off those things, so why would anyone want to upend that?

You left out old. The older people get, the more they distrust the "Other." The more they romanticize the past. The more they are only concerned about themselves. That's why Trump is the champion of Social Security/Medicare all of the sudden. He gets which side his bread is buttered.

NobodyHere 03-16-2023 09:11 AM

Maybe he should've stuck to making pillows and snorting crack:

'Had to borrow $10 million': MyPillow CEO complains company in debt due to pushing Trump 2020 election lies

Ksyrup 03-16-2023 07:21 PM

I see Ben Stein (who I didn't realize was still alive) has covered himself in glory. It's like all these old white guys are falling all over themselves to say the shit they wish they could have said when they were relevant.

flere-imsaho 03-17-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3395974)


I've spent the last two hours looking all over the house for an ounce of sympathy and I'm here to report that I was unable to find any.

Ksyrup 03-17-2023 12:54 PM

So post-election polls are now more accurate than actual poll results themselves? WTF?

Also notice in the final tweet that she starts with "half the electorate believes the election was stolen", and then finishes with a "fact" that our fraudulent systems are not sustainable. Nice trick.


Thomkal 03-17-2023 01:04 PM

So turns out the attorney who's been representing Trump on air with CNN and MSNBC this past week over possible charges over the Stormy Daniels payment, had an attorney/client relationship in 2017? with... Stormy Daniels.


Also Trump went all in on supporting Putin-says DOJ and other law enforcement officials are the problem not Putin and need to be replaced with people loyal to him when he takes office

JPhillips 03-17-2023 03:28 PM

It's Rasmussen, so ...

GrantDawg 03-17-2023 04:51 PM

Fox News is reporting that the NY DA met with the law enforcement to coordinate the arrest of Donald Trump sometime next week. Could it really happen?

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Edward64 03-17-2023 05:19 PM

Let’s hope so

But then bail and out within 24 hours?

GrantDawg 03-17-2023 05:27 PM

From what they are saying, booked and released. They are working with the Secret Service, and they are going to be the ones calling the shots on what they are allowed to do.

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Lathum 03-17-2023 06:11 PM

Trump being arrested and released immediately for paying off a porn star will do nothing but help him

Mota 03-17-2023 07:42 PM

Now the real question is if Trump will be in jail longer than he was in Stormy.

Flasch186 03-17-2023 08:04 PM

Zing


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BYU 14 03-18-2023 08:05 AM

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THE FAR & AWAY LEADING REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE & FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WILL BE ARRESTED ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. PROTEST, TAKE OUR NATION BACK!" Trump wrote on Truth Social Saturday morning.

It's as if January 6th never happened, of maybe that's exactly why he posted this. Either way, I think he will be underwhelmed by how many people act out on his behalf this time.

flere-imsaho 03-18-2023 11:24 AM

Good opportunity for some more net negatives to society to Darwin themselves, incrementally improving our country overall. Hopefully they don't take any police with them (unless they themselves are, of course, police).

Ksyrup 03-18-2023 11:27 AM

And the counterpoint to Trump's request to protest, from the GOP voice of reason:


BYU 14 03-18-2023 12:15 PM

Kind of like Satan being the voice of reason in a discussion on religion.

flere-imsaho 03-18-2023 04:07 PM

Given what the actual Satanic Temple does in the U.S. today, I'm not sure that's an effective analogy.

Perhaps I can offer the analogy of Aaron Rodgers telling us all (hypothetically) to stop complaining and just do our jobs? :D

albionmoonlight 03-18-2023 07:12 PM

A silent majority that never shuts up and keeps losing the popular vote. But other than being silent, and being a majority, she’s spot on.

That aside, I’d rather the GOP leaders be telling their people not to riot, so I am happy that seems to be what they are doing.

CrimsonFox 03-18-2023 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3396235)
Given what the actual Satanic Temple does in the U.S. today, I'm not sure that's an effective analogy.


ActuaL Cannibal Shia LeBeouf

GrantDawg 03-20-2023 06:23 AM


GrantDawg 03-20-2023 12:47 PM

Twitter is calling today "arrestmas" and I find that hilarious.

Thomkal 03-20-2023 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3396313)
Twitter is calling today "arrestmas" and I find that hilarious.



Almost as hilarious as the "super secret" witness he got to testify at the last moment before the NY Grand Jury, like it will save him if he discredits Michael Cohen. It's the same guy who dangled a pardon in front of Cohen if he refused to testify in front of Congress.



His lawyers are also trying yet again to get the Georgia case thrown out.

Ksyrup 03-20-2023 01:13 PM

Isn't it arrestmas eve, if reports are correct?

Atocep 03-20-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3396316)
Isn't it arrestmas eve, if reports are correct?


The updated reports today are saying either today or Wednesday.

Lathum 03-20-2023 02:20 PM

What is hysterical is he is out on his stupid platform screaming about the crooked DA having leaks while he's the one leaking it.

His zealots really are dumb as dogshit.

Toddzilla 03-20-2023 06:05 PM

The NYPD has surrounded the Manhattan courthouse with barriers, so they are prepping for something big

RainMaker 03-20-2023 06:10 PM

I'll still be surprised if they actually do it, although it's looking more likely. It does seem weird that this of all his crimes is what he gets charged for. The guy is on recording committing multiple felonies and we just shrugged our shoulders at it.

Atocep 03-20-2023 06:16 PM

This will help him with his base, but hurt him in any potential general. That's basically the monster he's created. He's split the electorate so much that anything that helps him with one hurts him with the other.

This also puts DeSantis in a tough position. He has to somehow thread the needle on supporting Trump but not appearing weak after Trump's attacks and political savvy like that isn't exactly DeSantis' strong suit.

RainMaker 03-20-2023 06:42 PM

Yeah, I don't see this changing the perception of anyone with Trump. You either love the guy or loathe him. No one is still sitting on the fence.

My only note is that because they are charging him with the most minor of his crimes, it does put a little pressure on the DOJ as to why they just ignored his more serious crimes. That does lead credence to this being a political prosecution by a DA with a bone to pick.

RainMaker 03-20-2023 07:32 PM

This primary is going to be so funny. Second time he's insinuated DeSantis is a pedophile which after some actions of late, I'm not sure is even a stretch.


Toddzilla 03-20-2023 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3396337)
I'll still be surprised if they actually do it, although it's looking more likely. It does seem weird that this of all his crimes is what he gets charged for. The guy is on recording committing multiple felonies and we just shrugged our shoulders at it.

You got a mouse in your pocket? Who is this "we" shrugging shoulders? Sure wasn't anyone I know.

RainMaker 03-20-2023 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 3396343)
You got a mouse in your pocket? Who is this "we" shrugging shoulders? Sure wasn't anyone I know.


Well the Department of Justice. There is a reason Reoublicans liked Garland. He helped cover up part of the OKC bombing for right wingers. Curious how different things might have been if Jines got the AG job.

GrantDawg 03-21-2023 06:38 AM

I was today years old when I learned the Governor of Georgia has no veto powers or the ability to enact clemency.

Lathum 03-21-2023 06:53 AM

Just heard a sound bite from Nikki Haley where she said 90% of school aged kids are starting school being taught CRT. It is amazing they can just pull numbers from their arse. 2024 is going to be exhausting with the culture war BS. Do they honestly think it plays well with the voters they would need to swing?

Lathum 03-21-2023 06:54 AM

dola- The GOP hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. They literally have chanted lock her up for 7 years, yet when it is their guy being locked up for actual crimes they are all butt hurt.

GrantDawg 03-21-2023 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3396357)
Just heard a sound bite from Nikki Haley where she said 90% of school aged kids are starting school being taught CRT. It is amazing they can just pull numbers from their arse. 2024 is going to be exhausting with the culture war BS. Do they honestly think it plays well with the voters they would need to swing?

I think they are going with their age old playbook. "If you say it often enough, then people start to believe it is true."

albionmoonlight 03-21-2023 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3396357)
Just heard a sound bite from Nikki Haley where she said 90% of school aged kids are starting school being taught CRT. It is amazing they can just pull numbers from their arse. 2024 is going to be exhausting with the culture war BS. Do they honestly think it plays well with the voters they would need to swing?


What else do they have?

Foreign policy?
Economic issues?
The Environment?
Education?

They went all in on culture war issues. They discarded every other card in their hand. This is what they have left to play.

Ksyrup 03-21-2023 08:17 AM

When they said the bank collapses were due to woke policies, that said it all. Everything they oppose now, regardless of underlying reasoning, has to be tied back to culture war issues.

Lathum 03-21-2023 08:29 AM

Whats wild is the one guy who actually has something he can tout is Trump but he won't get out of his own way. He will continue to talk about stolen elections and lawsuits instead of things he actually accomplished during his presidency.

albionmoonlight 03-21-2023 08:35 AM

The First Step Act: First Step Act - Wikipedia and Operation Warp Speed were two very good things that the Trump administration accomplished.

And, for various reasons, he runs away from them instead of leaning into them.

Ksyrup 03-21-2023 09:25 AM

And funny enough, Operation Warp Speed is something that would buy him a bit of credibility from moderates/independents AND give him a way to jab at DeSantis. Because DeSantis has been governing for the past 2 years and talked down vaccines so much that Trump should use it against him. But he can't because his base would get pissed at him for taking credit for a vaccine that's killing millions of Americans EVERY. DAY!

PilotMan 03-21-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3396365)
Whats wild is the one guy who actually has something he can tout is Trump but he won't get out of his own way. He will continue to talk about stolen elections and lawsuits instead of things he actually accomplished during his presidency.


As in....Obama Chinese tariffs are incredibly bad and anti-democratic, and trump tariffs are USAUSAUSA!

PilotMan 03-21-2023 09:39 AM

I don't think for a minute that the only reason he went along with "operation warp speed" was that he was being dragged by his heels into it, and he was told that it would change his entire tack from "it's over and we won" to "we're going to defeat this thing together, and look what we can do," when it was very clear it was far from over, and he could pivot to a different stance saying he was always for being the person who found the cure all by himself (ish).

NobodyHere 03-21-2023 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3396376)
I don't think for a minute that the only reason he went along with "operation warp speed" was that he was being dragged by his heels into it, and he was told that it would change his entire tack from "it's over and we won" to "we're going to defeat this thing together, and look what we can do," when it was very clear it was far from over, and he could pivot to a different stance saying he was always for being the person who found the cure all by himself (ish).


Trump has tried pushing the vaccine a couple times and he's gotten nothing but pushback from supporters.

BYU 14 03-21-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3396367)
The First Step Act: First Step Act - Wikipedia and Operation Warp Speed were two very good things that the Trump administration accomplished.

And, for various reasons, he runs away from them instead of leaning into them.


Because neither plays well with his ignorant base, who would rather celebrate owning the Libs and keeping those pesky minorities under the thumb, over things that actually help the country as a whole. Very un-American of the 'Merica crowd, but who is keeping score?

Lathum 03-21-2023 11:07 AM

This may be the best Trump analogy I have ever seen



cuervo72 03-21-2023 02:41 PM

I don't know where things like these go these days.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-h...tor-shortages/

Texas abortion law: the new unintended crisis that could explode in the state.

Rest of the world is already Rock-ing their eyebrow like "US, what's with that maternal mortality rate* of yours?" -- I'm sure all this will help.


* which is naturally 2.6x worse for Black women

RainMaker 03-21-2023 03:04 PM

I know the situation in Idaho has gotten really bad. They were already thin before the ruling. Our maternal mortality rate was already pathetic but this should firmly entrench us into the 3rd world rate shortly. Well done.

Lathum 03-21-2023 03:44 PM

That slate article was really something. It makes perfect sense. Why on earth would you spend years in med school just to live to a state where you could be arrested for doing your job and at best have to constantly be looking over your shoulder while likely dealing with protesters and other people meddling. Women’s health care overall in these states is going to devolve in to third world conditions.

CrimsonFox 03-21-2023 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3396409)

* which is naturally 2.6x worse for Black women


real question: Why is that? What do you mean?

Lathum 03-21-2023 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3396423)
real question: Why is that? What do you mean?


Economics. White people with money can and assuredly will bring their wives and daughters to blue states for the necessary life saving procedures. There is far more poverty in the black community so they will die instead.

Lathum 03-21-2023 04:11 PM

Seeing on Twitter tomorrow is the day.

RainMaker 03-21-2023 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3396423)
real question: Why is that? What do you mean?


Lot of small things that add up. Insured at a lower rate and with lower quality coverage. Communities have less access to high-level medical care. Studies have also shown a racial bias in the treatment received.

And as Lathum mentioned, abortion access and how the law is applied to races plays a role. Rich people can leave the state. White people are not going to be arrested for committing crimes as we saw by the Duggar daughter. She had an issue that could have caused issues but was able to break the law.

flere-imsaho 03-21-2023 06:22 PM

Let's not oversell Operation Warp Speed.

OWS did two things. One, it gave billions of dollars to a few companies to allow them to start manufacturing ahead of approval. Two, it removed the normal time gaps & delays in the FDA approval process.

Good decisions, to be sure, but hardly earth-shaking. And, critically, it should be noted that the first vaccine to come to market, came from Pfizer/BioNTech, who declined money from OWS (though BioNTech did get an initial grant for development from the German government).

Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I've seen elsewhere people comparing OWS to things like the Manhattan Project, the Marshall Plan, or the Apollo Program, and that's just ridiculous. Plus, OWS was shut down by the incoming Biden Administration because it was in the middle of botching the distribution rollout.

Thomkal 03-21-2023 07:49 PM

Seems like Trump deliberately lied to his own lawyers about having more classified documents:


https://abcnews.go.com/US/sources-sp...ry?id=98024191

Lathum 03-21-2023 08:22 PM

The documents case is going nowhere. The fact that Biden and Pence had them also kills it. Not to mention by the time anything happens on it we will be too deep into the 2024 cycle for Garland to have the balls to do anything about it. Same goes for 1/6.

albionmoonlight 03-21-2023 08:32 PM

I actually think Trump lying to his lawyers in the documents case is a pretty big deal. It gives that case new life. And, legally, it is pretty significant in my opinion. First, it gets to his intent, and makes it much harder for him to raise a “I was trying to do the right thing, but I just screwed it up“ defense. If he is lying to his lawyers, then he knows he’s doing something wrong. And a jury can follow that. Second, and relatedly, showing that a defendant lied to his own lawyers is just really really bad for the defendant in front of a jury.

albionmoonlight 03-21-2023 08:34 PM

Dola: it also pierces a lot of attorney-client privilege. If you were using your lawyer, as an unwilling/unknowing instrument to commit a crime, then all bets are off.

Lathum 03-21-2023 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3396439)
I actually think Trump lying to his lawyers in the documents case is a pretty big deal. It gives that case new life. And, legally, it is pretty significant in my opinion. First, it gets to his intent, and makes it much harder for him to raise a “I was trying to do the right thing, but I just screwed it up“ defense. If he is lying to his lawyers, then he knows he’s doing something wrong. And a jury can follow that. Second, and relatedly, showing that a defendant lied to his own lawyers is just really really bad for the defendant in front of a jury.


OK. But my point is that by the time the case comes together and could actually go to trial it will be too close to the 2024 cycle and Garland et al won't pursue it due to optics.

albionmoonlight 03-21-2023 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3396441)
OK. But my point is that by the time the case comes together and could actually go to trial it will be too close to the 2024 cycle and Garland et al won't pursue it due to optics.


That I could see.

PilotMan 03-21-2023 09:53 PM

And we get another day closer to the reality that the US becomes a place I no longer want to live in.

GrantDawg 03-22-2023 05:49 AM

The speed at which the DC court is asking for filings in the document case may suggest it isn't going to take as long as you suspect. We will see.

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GrantDawg 03-22-2023 06:21 AM

Great story:

RainMaker 03-22-2023 02:36 PM

How many judges have now ruled that Trump committed crimes but our DOJ is still a bunch of sniveling pussies?



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