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I think it is clear his supporters don't care about that. They are being fed he was cooperating and the feds decided to do a rogue political stunt. If and when he is arrested, which I would imagine is the goal of the DOJ, otherwise why go through all this, there was always going to be civil unrest because there is no reasoning or use of logic with his supporters. So many people are waiting for the tipping point where his supporters finally have a come to jesus about who and what he is and that is never going to happen. |
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I'm not really worried about his followers. I want him crippled from being able to run as GOP but still do enough to antagonize the GOP. The fact that they bent over backwards does give a lot of latitude in court that they tried to accommodate but were rebuffed, the fact that Trump's lawyers signed off on everything being removed and then finding it wasn't really screws that legal team. The GOP isn't going to pay for any more legal services for Trump so now his donations will go directly to the legal team on his own. Trumpanzees are a stupid lot, but I don't think they'll do much anymore they were thwarted by their own stupidity on January 6th, they got reamed on mask mandates, they are a stupid bunch and I think most Americans just want a sense of stability and normalcy. |
Exactly. I'm way beyond caring what his supporters think.
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No wonder Trump can't find any real attorneys.
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The DOJ’s case against him for keeping documents sloppily on the floor is falling apart as we speak. But they still might be able to get a conviction with the selling secrets to the Russians and getting our spies killed stuff.
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Also, the expert troll move of putting that picture in the filing knowing that he was going to blab about it was great.
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We have every reason to think that DOJ is still actively pursuing a J6 criminal investigation, too.
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I had not seen this quote yet. HAHAHAHAHHA This guy always admitting to crimes. Can we please put him behind bars already. |
Trump filed their reply to the DOJ. No where in there does it say he declassified the documents. As usual they will scream it everywhere they can but won't ever legally challenge it because they know it isn't true.
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They did say he, as President is allowed to have these Presidential documents under the Presidential Records Act. Except he is not the President, and that is not at all what the Presidential Record Act says.
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Trump has the worst fucking lawyers.
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https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/stat...25192865611777
This twitter thread goes over the DOJ filing and it really sounds like he's going to be charged at some point. |
I just don't see it happening. The whole reason Republicans liked Garland is because he won't go after them. The guy got popular in those circles for looking the other way during the OKC investigation.
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There just can't be any other option here. There are multiple crimes and the evidence can't be any clearer.
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Yeah, you either bury this in a confidential investigation with an ending summary that there were no crimes that could be charged, or you do something like this, where there's so much out there that you can't not charge him.
My thought is that this is the equivalent to getting Capone for tax evasion. Rather than the messiness of January 6, take him down for something way more straight forward, clean, and easy to explain/understand. |
There's a decent chance that Trump would have skated on this had he shut up. Remember, before he started losing his mind, we all thought/assumed that this records dispute with the Archives was something involving anodyne papers. I think that DOJ would have gone in, gotten the stuff to protect national security, and then hushed it up. The norms against going after political opponents are *strong.*
But then Trump basically started telling people to go after FBI agents (BIG NO NO in DOJ World). And he kept lying about the case (BIG NO NO in DOJ World). And by constantly making court filings arguing that there is nothing there, he has forced/allowed the DOJ to respond with "Actually, there's SO MUCH here." And now that Trump has forced all of this out into the open, I think (don't know, but think) that they *have* to bring charges on this. Maybe not for a while, but before 2024. |
The FBI didn't publicize the warrant or the raid, that was all Trump. I think you're right that they would have been happy to let all of this play out without any publicity.
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Can I suggest a possible counterpoint? Is it possible that Trump went very public with the full court press on this because he knew what the DOJ found in that search and he knew he was in big trouble? I think it is very possible that he really believed he could lie his way out this and there would be no way the DOJ would seek a search warrant. Lie and delay is his go to in everything, but he didnt expect the DOJ to actually call his bluff.
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Put me in the camp that thinks they have to bring charges against him at this point. I still don't think he does a second in jail, but NOT charging him at this point politicizes it in the opposite direction by making him a martyr. .
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I said in 2016 that trump and Burlusconi were cut from the same cloth. They are both raving, crime ridden, narcissists.
He's a guy who ran the country, had numerous legal problems that he wiggled out of but the list was incredible. Something like 32 according to Wiki...he comes out of all that, gets elected again and legal problems still follow him. He eventually is convicted, finally, on tax fraud, and does a year of a 4 year sentence in prison. He's still all over the news, won't go away, and is constantly in trouble, yet, he's still a man of the people with some support. trump is still following this path. It's quite possible he continues to follow it. |
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I think that makes it a little more thought out than it was. I think that he's more of an instinctive guy. He thrives in chaos. It makes other people wrongfooted, but he's happy in that world. So I think that he instinctively felt the pressure coming and just decided to turn everything maximum crazy-pants. Because that's always worked for him. So far, DOJ is not joining him there. |
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And three in a row, circle gets the square: It sounds awfully like the judge is going to rule in Trump's favor.
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yeah, it's funny because it's totally moot at this point.
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Another exhibit for the Trump lawyers are terible file.
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Yeah, but we've been saying this since 2015. |
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This is now one of the more serious intelligence leaks in U.S. history.
Edit: Especially if it turns out some of these documents leaking led directly to the compromise of American and allied intelligence assets. |
So is this like a " the docs were never in the folders" situation or a "the docs were in there and are now missing" situation?
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Don't you hate when Bill Barr is right about something?
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Bill Barr is shredding trump...
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I wonder what gutters he will be pulling the members of his next administration from.
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No, no - in 2024. Not like the last 3 years and change of his previous administration. EDIT: And it's not like his 2017 cabinet was good. There were all sorts of bullshit saboteurs like Ryan Zinke, Betsy De Vos, Scott Pruitt, and Rick Perry who were put in charge of departments they wanted to destroy (or, in Perry's case, couldn't remember which one he wanted to destroy) . But there were a handful of your run-of-the-mill-ish mostly partisan political appointees like Mattis, Tillerson, and even Jeff Sessions (I mean, geez, John Ashcroft got that post under Bush). After the first round, though, it was loyalty and loyalty alone that mattered. SI |
I don't know where they are going to come from, but they will make sure he is still in office in 2030.
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Yes I watched the PA rally because I'm in PA (I got married in Wilkes Barre).
Typical wounded Trump speak, but maybe a missed a bunch of it because it did seem short. The aggrieved bullshit reminds me what bullies do. I don't find Oz or Mastriano compelling candidates. I've only seen one Oz sign in my town, a lot of Fetterman signs. With the abortion issues along with the weakest candidates I've seen, it looks to sadly while it'll be close (because Pennsyltucky) for governor, I think Oz is viewed as an outsider by even the most insular Trumpanzee voters. I have hope that moderate Republicans will scoff at him and actually are okay with Fetterman because he "looks like them" and I think he thinks like them too (He does tell it like it is) whereas Oz is just full of shit. I only wish Trump dies soon because if he can make it to 2024, he will run, he has no other option to and he will spout bullshit lie upon bullshit lie (i.e. I loved how he brought up COVID during the rally and stated that more died in 2022 than 2021, as if it were in a vacuum. And that France is a big country and they got all their paper voting done in one night...France has about 67 million people vs 264 in the US and I believe we have multiple time zones, but don't let the truth come out...btw what Trumpanzee is okay with what France does anyway...but there is Trump spouting it). I also loved how Trump lied that the owner of Johnson and Johnson was at the rally...I did a check on this, and while he is a scion he isn't the owner. More bullshit...but Trump needs to lie that companies support him and leaders support him...the problem is Trumpanzees cannot face the truth that he's full of shit. And this brings me again to what is the endgame for Trumpanzees? I know Trump needs to win because he can then fire anyone linked to investigating him, he can become a dictator, that is his goal...make no bones about it. His sycophants will enable him because they think they can get a piece of the pie. But his voters...they know they get nothing right? Do they think that by voting him back in they can get this vision of the US that is beyond exitance? Is it really to kill/eliminate all minorities? Is it really to subjugate all women? Is it really the Judeo-Christian ethos to be instilled to all Americans (I would think most Trumpanzees hate Jews, they are predominantly evangelicals). I just feel that if Trump wins again, there will be at some point a Rwandan type massacre here. Probably not nationwide, but liberal types will be singled out and executed. Trump will consolidate his base and hold on until he dies on the toilet shitting out remnants of his McDonald's. Then we get Don Jr. |
This picture says so much (and is way to big to embed ;) ):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbz76W4WIAEa-zg?format=jpg There's also this:
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If the feds searched a normal person’s home and found this stuff, they’d get a warrant for their other properties.
We can assume they haven’t done that with former President Trump b/c he’d be complaining about it on Truth Social. Which means that DOJ is being very careful about only going into places when they are 99% certain that they will find something. Which means that they have a very high-placed leaker/informant who flipped on Trump & is working for them. Someone who knows what Trump kept in his safe at MAL. |
Trump appointed judge after he lost orders a special master in a case where she doesn't have jurisdiction.
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There is no rule of law, just power.
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Couy Griffin removed from office in NM under the 14th Amendment "insurrectionist" provision. First time someone has been removed under this provision since 1869.
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The Seth Rich stuff feels like it was so long ago and in many ways a sign of what was to come with MAGA.
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Nuclear info of a nation and some of the most secret programs in existence. Nothing important.
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Setting a great example by doing nothing. Throw this fucker in prison already.
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So either this information is classified or it's subject to FOIA correct?
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I highly doubt info on other countries nuclear defenses falls under FOIA. Is your point that it should be if Trump declassified them as they allege? |
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this is getting ridiculous. They have no idea what other things he possess at his other properties and he is clearly a national security risk at this point. Arrest him. |
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Quite simply yes. If Trump did declassify it as he said he did then the document should be subject to a FOIA request right? |
What does it matter? We all know he can't waive a magic wand over such a document and declassify it.
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He doesn't even need a want. He just imagines it and it happened, or if it didn't, he meant for it to, and if he didn't mean for it to, then it was someone else's fault he did it, or didn't do it, whichever.
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Seeing speculation this was leaked because the DOJ is planning on arresting him soon and they want to soften the blow.
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Seeing some reporting that Bannon is going to be arrested tomorrow in NY on state charges similar to what Trump pardoned him for.
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He's being arrested and turning himself in tomorrow, over NY state based charges, that are almost identical to the federal charges that he was pardoned by trump on. |
https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4740999/usmntatlanta-united-defender-miles-robinson-arrested-for-misdemeanor-over-$5-shot
Guess we need to get Trump on non-payment of a $5 drink to get him arrested. Clearly stealing national secrets isn’t enough. |
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It's kind of wild that the pardon wasn't bigger news but I guess there was so much shit going on that it just blended in. |
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The DOJ has finally announced their intention to appeal Judge Cannon's order, along with a motion to her to remove all classified documents from her order since they cannot be consider privileged, and blocking them directly impedes the national security review.
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https://twitter.com/pollreport/statu..._zuH2_vQGh_DwQ
Half of White non-college graduates don’t want Trump to run. That is his base, and if they are showing this much hesitation, then a pretty wide path seems open for DeSantis or Abbot or someone like that to become the Trump-without-Trump’s-baggage candidate. |
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It will be 'interesting' to see if any of these folks have the force of personality to run a campaign entirely devoid of policy. |
I've always thought that his hesitation in declaring must have something to do with fundraising. Perhaps it's easier to seal all the money before he's officially a candidate. Once he declares, anyone else that declares is being a traitor to Trump and I think they'll get killed. If, though, they can decare first, they might be able to run without feeling the wrath of MAGA.
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I think Trump is waiting on the Supreme Court to decide the case below. He can't win an election but this ruling would essentially end the voting process in states and install him as a sort of dictator.
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We were watching a rerun of Wheel of Fortune tonight and one of the puzzles was "Top Secret Documents" and after it got solved, I yelled out, "Hey, it's a prize puzzle and you're going to Mar-A-Lago!" and my wife and I both had a good laugh.
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Some more interesting polling One in Four Republicans Think MAGA Is a Threat to Democracy, Poll Finds – Rolling Stone 25% of Republicans believe MAGA is a threat to our democracy and 60% of Republicans believe MAGA isn't the majority of the party. I think Biden's speech was timed well and seems to be hitting the mark. |
They will still for for him thought because they have been convinced the other side is worse.
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I follow a couple of lawyers on Twitter that break down filings and verdicts, usually political cases. One of my favorites is Akiva Cohen. He is going through the judges ruling throwing out Trump's lawsuit against Hilary and basically everyone else he could think of over the Russian investigation. Basically it shows the reason why he can't find lawyers. The judge eviscerated the petition, and basically begs the defense to file sanctions against the opposing council. It is quite ugly.
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The judge just destroys every argument they made point by point even after ruling they had lat the statute of limitations run out and that the Florida court had no jurisdiction to the case to begin with. But then he says this:
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This is just another example of why I think our country is doomed. The will on the far-right side to do whatever it takes to impose their beliefs, system of government, etc., on the rest of us far outweighs the will of everyday, normal people to expend their energy fighting it. My life will not be consumed by this. I suppose, if it gets drastically worse, I might be forced to be more pro-active, but even then, leaving the country is far easier.
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Did something new happen with him separate from the MAL
Stuff? Seeing a lot of chatter “he is really screwed now” type stuff. |
Exclusive: Georgia probe into Trump examines chaplain's role in election meddling | Reuters
What's sad is there are victims in this election fraud scam. The GOP doesn't care. They would have no problem ruining people's lives if they could get 1 person to falsely admit to any sort of election fraud. |
Judge in Florida threw out the defamation lawsuit Trump filed against Hilary, DNC, and basically everybody who tried to get him impeached saying it had no merit and was a 200 pages of "political disputes that have alchemized into a sweeping conspiracy against those who Trump claims to have aggrieved him" and that he filed it in this court hoping to get none other than the judge who he did get in the Special Master case. And left the door open for sanctions against Trump lawyers
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Trump flew into DC last night for an unscheduled visit. The speculation is raging on twitter that he has either been arrested or had some kind of medical emergency that required him to go to Walter Reed. My bet is it is nothing, but the wild guesses are pretty funny.
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I’m told he still had his golf cleats on. I just realized what’s going to happen. He’s going to judged mentally incompetent and skate away. He won’t be able to run but he’ll be free to rant like any fool. He’ll be able to grift from his schmuck followers but the GOP can move forward. Just like a mob boss he’s going to fake crazy to stay out of prison. |
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Plausible. Or one of the dictatorships he sold secrets to decided that the investigation was getting a bit too close for comfort and poisoned his Diet Coke. You know, normal stuff for an ex-President. (Joking aside, the list of countries/people/National Political Committees to whom Trump is more valuable dead than alive is growing by the day.) |
Funny but crazy speculation when he is just probably going from golf course to golf course, or a rally somewhere.
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Mystery Solved? Trump was surveying a new golf course site
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FBI seizes the cell phone of the my pillow guy. lol/ |
dumbass myp[illow guy got subpoenaed too
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I'd be so scared right now if I had crimed with Lindell or Guillani. Most people would have the basic sense to cover their own tracks out of self-preservation. And, in so doing, would help cover my tracks, too.
But these guys are really stupid and clearly mentally ill. So you can't really bank on them having done anything sensible in terms of track covering. Like, for all we know, Mike Lindell's iPhone wallpaper is him taking a suitcase of cash from Putin or something. |
I was just having this conversation with my boss - at this point, what electronic piece of equipment that I might have used during 2020-21 if I was one of these people would not already be smashed, incinerated and sitting at the bottom of the ocean? If they came for my phone, I'd be like, "Here's my new Galaxy Z4 and I'm already logged in with my new Google account Ksyrup2022. Enjoy!"
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The cynic in me thinks they are going to make Lindell the fall guy for all of this and the real bad actors will walk because they always do.
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Along those lines, I wonder if we will see any of the more savvy insiders take a vacation soon to a non-extradition country.
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Apparently this was done in a Hardee's parking lot, which somehow amuses me. |
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It was a pillowcase of money from Putin....a pillowcase! |
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