OMG! What the Trump campaign called a legislative hearing in Pennsylvania tommorow is actually going to be a few GOP officials and Rudy holding a discussion at the Wyndham hotel! The delusion is strong.

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So, can we call the winner of the poll yet?

I'm a glass half-full guy.

Trump is expected to show up at this "hearing" at the Wyndam.

News: Trump is expected to join Giuliani in Gettysburg, PA tomorrow where GOP state lawmakers are holding a "hearing" on allegations of fraud in the 2020 election, two sources familiar with the plans tell me.
Not on his schedule, but being planned as an unannounced movement

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) November 25, 2020

Are we sure this isn't going to be at the Wyndham Sewage Treatment Plant or the Wind Ham Combination Pork Processing Plant and Wind Farm?

SI

Yeah I also disagree and agree with Ksyrup this has pointed out the serious gaps in our democracy and has provided a blue print. If the Ds can get the senate they need to push for changes to the system to fix this before the next election. All we need is one election to get stolen and this country is an Oligarchy/ authoritarian regime. There is no coming back from that without a major civil war.

He's stopped even pretending to play the role of President. He's lost all interest in the job and just wants to get as much revenge against Dems and GOP members he feels weren't loyal enough on the way out the door.

The Gettysburg thing was a train wreck. Bunch of conspiracy theories energizing the base. Not in a court room, or even in an actual congressional hearing where there would be cross examination or counter testimony. The Trump calls in, and his lawyer holds the phone up to the mic. This is the Republican party now.

Everyone knew it was coming, but Trump pardons Flynn.

The VERY BEST people.




fuck that guy; what an unethical piece of total shit.

The train is just starting, but yeah, fuck him and everyone complicit to this miscarriage of democracy!

Has Sidney Powell saved the Republic yet?

Will Perdue get a pardon too? Or do we just pretend insider trading isn't a crime if you're rich and white enough?

Flynn can now be subpoenaed by House Judiciary Committee chairman Jerrold Nadler and made to testify under oath about his crimes and any possible involvement by President Trump. https://t.co/bXWvEsvdNj

— Slate (@Slate) November 25, 2020

Yep, since he's pardoned he can't plead the 5th.

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lol

Like Dems are going to do oversight.

No need for the Nigerian Prince pretense...

pic.twitter.com/RI0XEXkjc9

— Connoisseur of Fine Internets (@innanet_man) November 25, 2020

don't forget "or male enough"

Law and Order crowd celebrates wildly. What a farce.

So essentially his choices are either to commit another crime or to tell the truth (which we are assuming means throwing Trump under the bus)?

he'll just come up with a reason why he doesn't have to testify, and like the Mueller subpoena's they will be fought to the death under some made up pretense. The laws don't apply if you've got enough money, or know the right people. Corrupt as fuck.

Quality lawwyertinge.

This is stunning even for Trump's 'elite strike force' legal team.

Sidney Powell releases the kraken in Georgia, and mispells "district" twice in the header... in different ways!

They couldn't even proofread the first two lines! pic.twitter.com/w8YigWHeMu

— Josh Jordan (@NumbersMuncher) November 26, 2020

Spelled my name wrong also

4D chess move. More people are going to read it now because of the attention the misspellings and other grammar errors are going to get.

That's a real take I've seen from conservatives.

I have read it. It is garbage accusations with no real proof. I think this (and her filings in Michigan) maybe the suits that cause the courts to absolutely slam the lawyers involved.

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It's just a rehash of the common conspiracies with Twitter, duckduckgo, and othersisted as top notch sources. If this doesn't result in the attorneys getting punished then I can't imagine it's possible.

Trump announced he will be coming to Georgia Saturday to campaign for the Senate seats. I guess that answers the question if he will sit this out.

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She needs to be disbarred.

What is the bar for being disbarred by the Bar?

I have no idea what the "standard" is or what the rules say.

Trump visit to Georgia is a week from Saturday (Dec. 5), the White House clarifies

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varies by state. Each state's Bar has its own standards for licensure to practice law, so it'd depend on the standards in the state where the lawyer in question has been admitted.

So based on Trump's recent statement about accepting EC confirmation, it looks like #3 is the winner?

I voted #6 and arguably that is what is happening now.

This is awesome.

Who did this? pic.twitter.com/gHN0qMBUcA

— Jennifer Harris (@jwharris) November 27, 2020

I wouldn't make any assumptions. I think it likely he denies saying he would leave if the EC votes Biden.

I also don’t think you can argue number 6. Relative to almost any other presidential election I wouldn’t consider 25 days a short period of time and he literally said he will likely never concede.

I don't know if Dominion had previously responded to any allegations, but I just saw this in response to the GA filing. "Apparent rough draft!" Hahahaha.


Statement From Dominion on Sidney Powell's Charges - Dominion Voting Systems

In the filing, much of the Dominion allegations were "supported" by a single affidavit. The affidavit doesn't have a signature on the line where it is required.

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i downloaded the 100 page pdf file

it has footnotes referencing youtube and twitter as evidence

and i shit you fucking not, the duckduckgo search engine

For those keeping track the Trump campaign is 1-38 in court and has now added 132 votes for Biden.

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) November 28, 2020

PA legislature trying to undermine all of the votes in PA and just appoint the electors themselves.

Their excuse is voter fraud and they want to do this without evidence.

Wustin, it us actually even weirder. They want to vote asking to delay certification for both the State and federal elections, and then give no way to pick electors. The problem is they have no plan to pass it by Monday, which means the whole state congress and half the state senate would not be seated without certification. In other words, the resolution was written never to be passed.

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KSyrup best 3 million Trump has spent from his campaign

It's going to be very difficult to get a GOP nomination in 2022 or 2024 without a public declaration that the 2020 election was rigged. We're definitely not out of the woods with Trump's loss.

Well, when Bill Barr says they can't find voting fraud that would have changed the election results, what the hell do the tin foil hats turn to then? Now HE'S in on the rigging?

of course he is. The goalposts are always moving

Bill Barr is the DEEPEST of Deep State operatives.

You can't make this stuff up.

COURT NEWS: Former Trump attorney Sidney Powell has filed a federal lawsuit seeking to have @realDonaldTrump declared winner of Wisconsin's electoral votes.

Among other things, suit seeks 48 hours of security footage from the TCF Center from Nov. 3-4.

TCF Center is in Detroit.

— JR Ross (@jrrosswrites) December 1, 2020

Yep that's what they think now. Follow ParlerTakes on Twitter. Poor guy has an account there just so he can repost what they say there on Twitter. Barr is officially a Deep State and Bush plant according to the one he's posted so far. :)

Meanwhile...

As @pbump notes, Trump’s PAC can be used “to fund basically anything,” including “memberships at golf clubs,” “travel,” “rallies,” “even payments directly to Trump himself.”https://t.co/CsFYRwZA6v

— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) December 1, 2020

Heh. I'd like to think I'm savvy, but that one was super-obvious. :p

And now Trump's Legal Team-With all due respect the Attorney General, the DOJ did not do a through investigation of voter fraud and he does not have full knowledge of the scope of fraud involved. Paraphrased what they said but that's the jist.

I believe that this is the sole reason that Trump is continuing to contest the election:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...9f8_story.html

Yep I agree-he's setting up his 2024 campaign/legal defense fund for the crimes he's probably going to be formally accused of.

Go cheap on the lawyers to contest the election so you can save money for your own personal defense fund.

SI

That's top notch entertainment.

The way this is phrased makes it sound like a potential crime on both sides, not just an attempted bribe from one side.

BREAKING from CNN:
“The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to a court record unsealed on Tuesday by the chief judge of the DC District Court.”

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) December 1, 2020

Trump is too slippery to ever get that close to a quid pro quo.

It'll be one of his hangers-on who was selling his access to the Boss. There are a lot of candidates to choose from.

It's probably Joe Exotic and Rudy. I'm not sure that 2020 wants to introduce a new character this late in the season.

Pretty sure it is going to be Rudy and the Ukrainians.

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This certainly fits Rudy.

Oh @RudyGiuliani....you are just so bad at being bad. It’s almost like the redactions are from your hair dye dripping all over the pages.....#RudyColludy https://t.co/OEHeAxKoLB pic.twitter.com/aDOe5dXGPQ

— Meidas UMaine (@Meidas_UMaine) December 2, 2020

So can you actually pardon someone before they are accused of any crimes?

Good point. I believe the President can only pardon someone convicted of a federal crime.

Didn't Ford pardon Nixon for any crimes he may have committed or something like that?

You can pardon prior to federal charges. Both Ford and Washington did it. It's incredibly rare though.

Yeah, I guess I was reading from the Office of the Pardon Attorney which specifies only pardons after conviction, but I guess there's some precedent for pardons before a legal case is even brought.

I can't find the link but there was a poll of Republicans to see who they would want as the 2024 candidate if Trump doesn't run. Don Jr and Nikki Haley led at 20% each. Ivanka was up there too at I believe 7%.

I am seeing lots of pearl-clutching over the reports that Trump is preparing to pardon himself and his inner circle before he leaves office.

I am either too cynical or not cynical enough, but I always thought 100% that he would do this after his 4 or 8 years in office: blanket pardons, justified by anticipated persecution by The Deep State.

I am surprised that people are surprised by it.

dola: the only question for me is whether he does the "resign a day early so Pence can pardon him and avoid the questions about a self-pardon" thing.

I don't think he does. Admitting that he might not be able to self-pardon is a sign of weakness. But it wouldn't shock me, either.

A lot of stuff happening in the last 4 years were incredibly rare before it seems.

I don't think that is the case. But it's too outrageous to shrug off and treat it as "well, we kinda knew it would come to that"
Where many did seem to fool themselves is talking themselves into a place of "well, we have safeguards in place", which were quite clearly identified as lacking and too often dependent on people respecting unwritten rules/tradition/values.

Kinda feel like every president should do this now leaving office or between terms. Why have it be an honorable position when someone like Trump sullied it.

Plus it be a great fuck you to conservatives when progressive do it.

"Obama before leaving the White House signed orders pardoning himself and Hillary Clinton. Every Republican congressman and senator immediately combusted into flame."

It fits the narrative so well. Four years ago, you'd figure a pardon means he's just protecting himself as best he can from prosecution for his crimes. Now it's a perfect two-fer - protection for all of his people with the added bonus that all the flavor-aid drinkers will believe he's protecting himself and all of them from persecution for things they didn't do. To keep the grift going, he almost needs to pardon as many people as possible.

We seem to be inching closer and closer to option 4 (physical removal)...

Mo Brooks plans to challenge Electoral College vote - al.com

Dear Dem billionaires,

Just run this over and over on GA TV.

Here's Lin Wood telling Georgia Republicans NOT to vote for Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue next month.

"They have not earned your vote. Don't you give it to them. Why would you go back and vote in another rigged election for god's sake! Fix it! You gotta fix it!" pic.twitter.com/Uvj1QIpqFL

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) December 2, 2020

She or her staff misfiled their TRO to keep Wisconsin's electors from voting Biden. As of right now, the defense doesn't even have to respond until a week after the EC meets.

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status...68556389478400

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pro...ithout-changes

I'm beginning to think that Sidney Powell is a Democratic plant.

I have paid zero attention to the Hyatt Regency "hearings" being held in a few states regarding the election, but this came across my twitter feed this morning and... WTF? The audience applause is the icing. I half-expected Jerry Springer to jump out and say "let her finish!"

“I think Chinese all look alike. How can you tell? If some Chow shows up, you can be anybody and you can vote.” -one of Rudy Giuliani’s witnesses yesterday insisting there must have been voter fraud in Michigan

Yes, it’s an actual quote.pic.twitter.com/nsM0Hc2LE7

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) December 3, 2020

Must have been must-see TV!

Michigan witness for Trump’s legal team had a couple of Long Island Iced Teas before testifying.

pic.twitter.com/LwMnOMpEeN

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) December 3, 2020

Can you imagine being a judge or a lawmaker having to listen these people.

I want to party so hard with that woman.

Isn't that the whole point of these bogus "hearings" in hotel conference rooms--that judges and lawmakers are *not* present, and therefore the "testimony" can be on camera but not sworn in, and as such full of unchallenged lies and nonsense that MAGA will eat up and keep giving money to support?

haha

there is a clip later on in that twitter thread where she said "democrats like to ruin my life just like they ruined Trumps"

Seems totally unbiased.

I don't think there are judges but there were lawmakers of some kind asking the questions.

Heh! I hadn't watched that specific clip. Yeah, I checked and he's an actual Michigan rep. I do believe there was at least of these dog-and-pony shows in a hotel conference room made to look like an official hearing, with a sycophant asking the questions and Rudy's buddies answering.

Oh man - I want those 5+ minutes of my life back. Those clips are so awful in that thread.

SI

Don't know if she was saying there was widespread fraud but the specific point in the clip about needing a picture id is valid IMO. She should have used better examples.

Speculation she was drunk. I'm rooting for a SNL skit on this with Victoria Jackson.

The problem with that is Victoria Jackson is even crazier.

Peak Victoria Jackson is a good call there.

I feel for the poor guy trying to take his job seriously and trying to question her. I'd be looking around to see if I getting Punk'd or something.

If "they all look the same" what good is an ID?

Here is the problem he is creating while trying to "protect" these people: They can now be called to testify and they cannot plead the 5th. They now have the choice of telling the truth, or go to jail for perjury.

When you look at a pic and compare it to person in front of you, I figure it helps to validate vs not having a pic at all. I assume that's why TSA wants a pic id when you go through security line.

Call Rudy! I finally found evidence of voter fraud! Oh, wait. It is Republicans again.
Florida attorney under investigation for registering to vote in Georgia, encouraging others to do the same

Let's hope he gets the maximum penalties.

You kidding! I want more. Inject it into my veins.

It feels like watching, I dunno, the Real Housewives of 1600 Pennsylvania. I have stupid things I watch on TV but I don't watch them to look down at other stupid people - that just seems too mean to me (and not entertaining).

SI

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...a2a3e421c3a52e

Bill Barr is a canny political survivor. And you figure he knows where the bodies are buried (including some that Trump probably doesn't know about).

His actions are showing that he's decided that there's no future with Trump.

Which makes me suspect that there may be no future with Trump.

Who'd guess it?

Rudy Giuliani’s crazy witness in the Michigan election “hearing” was just off probation for harassing her boyfriend’s ex by sending her graphic videos of them having sex.

https://t.co/CaXniG9UPu pic.twitter.com/lCSdKMf7p7

— Helen Kennedy (@HelenKennedy) December 5, 2020