Eric Trump saying he knows Biden is behind this because that's how the White House worked when he was there is next level amazing.

I agree with this 100%. When you look at people who were wrongfully convicted, one thing many of them have in common is that they talked to the police when they should've remained silent.

Newsweek has a report out that an informant told the DOJ what Trump was still hiding and where. Trump hates "snitches"


Exclusive: An Informer Told the FBI What Docs Trump Was Hiding, and Where

I was talking to my wife, and I realized that Trump's re-emergence onto the front page has drastically increased my stress level in a noticeable way.

One the one hand, the biggest threat to America to ever exist should increase your stress level when you are reminded of him.

On the other hand, MAGA apparently lives in my head rent-free.

Sigh.

This part is great (as mentioned upthread).

Yeah a lot of "Twitter screaming" right now about how CNN, NY Times, and others are talking about Republican talking points rather than what really happened/what it means for Trump.


Also saw a report that months ago the DOJ subpoenaed and got surveilence cameras from Mir-A-Lago.

Yep that would be crazy if he gets screwed from running again by his own law.

Don't know if anyone listened to Mark Halpern. He has a site called wide world of news. He has a totally different take. He thinks that the DOJ was frustrated by the lack of cooperation and this is going to turn out to be a nothingburger, thus helping trump. Apparently a source close to trump says he is elated by these developments because he is aware of the political gains from it.

Disgraced Journalist Mark Halperin Was Hired by the Bipartisan Policy Group No Labels - Washingtonian

Don't know if this is the guy you speak of, but he seems to be a suspect source.

Anyway, fuck Donald Trump.

Halperin's been working for Newsmax, so, yeah, I'm not sure how credible he is anymore.

No kidding? I didn't know that. wow.

I listen to his weekly spot on Smerconish and have always found him pretty knowledgeable and level headed. Wasn't familiar with his backstory or the allegations.

You're absolutely correct, but it's hilarious that Trump said this in a 2016 campaign stop in Iowa: "“You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Let me play counter point on this, because in general I agree with you. Don't most people that get wrongly convicted by talking to police not have a lawyer present when in the interview? Are any of them trying to become President, or any elected office really? I think that is wise advice if you are Joe Blow and get pulled in to be asked questions. If you a political figure who really needs to look innocent? Not so much. If you can't answer questions with your very high-priced lawyer present without self-incrimination, then you probably did something wrong.

None of the networks will touch him after his sexual misconduct, so I guess he's chasing the money wherever it leads him.

I guess all of the complaints about harassing judges are canceled now. Fox, in particular, looks like they are trying to get the magistrate judge killed.

I don't think they care whether the judge is attacked or not. They mostly want to scare other judges from doing the same thing.

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I think the fake electors scam is probably the biggest threat to Trump and his inner circle. I'm not sure if they can get to Trump with it though because I'm 100% sure he plans on throwing Meadows under the bus.

Oh man, I can’t wait to see if my one cousin representative is on this list

From an online article I read: Eric Trump has been affiliated with exactly one (1) White House: his dad’s. So he appears to be arguing that based on this experience, he’s certain a president would involve himself in a criminal investigation in connection with a political nemesis. Not the best defense to offer pops in a time of need, Eric.

That nuance is going to be lost on a group that loves to project, saying "whatever we're doing, we're going to accuse you of first".

SI

Trump's best defense here is that of course he didn't give that twerp anything of importance to do in the White House, so why would he know anything.

Escambia teacher said pictures of Black leaders removed from his class

If you recall however he can sue in and that’ll solve the problem of using definitions that differ from other peoples definitions. So yeah….

I see contrition starting it’s engine for the long drive to these boards. Might take a few years to get here but the gas tank is full.


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From what I just read from a local news station, he's now in a cornfield shooting at agents.

It's like those poor bastards who listened to MAGA Media and died of COVID.

This guy's life is ruined. He'll be shot or go to jail for a really really long time.

Hannity isn't coming to help take care of his kids. Trump isn't going to visit him in prison. Carlson isn't going to set up a Go Fund Me for his wife/widow.

They rile these people up and then discard them.

I don't agree with MAGA supporters. But I don't have anywhere near the contempt for them that their preferred media members and politicians do.

Also, I guess I missed this yesterday.

Staff in a Florida school district removed pictures of Black heroes from a classroom, citing them as "age inappropriate."
Images removed included MLK Jr., Harriett Tubman, George Washington Carver. This is the toxic environment Ron DeSantis has created.https://t.co/rO1QAsBITU

— Thomas Kennedy (@tomaskenn) August 10, 2022

Cincinnati...it fits. We have some amazing white supremacist undertones here. Remember the kid who ran into the crowd in Charlottesville was from Cincy. Having said that, if these people are going to actually do something bold, I think it's time they fucking shit or get off the pot. Might as well put those guns and anger to use finally. Because it's beyond time for the actual necessary response to those threats.

I used to live in Madeira, literally a mile from that office.

So at this point, it feels like education in Florida will be done a la carte.

My youngest had his first day of high school yesterday. I did all the consent forms that were required for any discussion about S-E-X last week so I was surprised when all six of his teachers had this statement almost word for word among stuff we had to read and acknowledge.



So I sent this over to a friend of mind who is a principal of another high school in the area for how his school is handling this because of that word I highlighted. And, yeah it is going about as expected. He responded about 10am today that he has already had about 200 requests to excuse students from different parts of most of the classes including requests from Native Americans who don't want their children subject to the "trauma of early abuse of their ancestors" in history class to requests to removing Shakespeare from the lesson because it was pushing a gay agenda. Also several of the requests were sent to the school on legal letterhead so I guess he has a few parents who are lawyers flexing or parents have already retained legal counsel. I am so thankful my wife is out of this shit show.

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but what I read there says the kids gets excused from class and has their own activities, not that they will change the curriculum

SI

I didn't realize American history was taught drastically different based on where you went to school until I was in the Army and talking to a guy from Florida and he was telling me the ridiculous spin his school out on the Civil War and how it wasn't until he was in college that a lot of what he had been taught was corrected.

Then I had another guy from South Carolina that swore the South won the Civil War because the union suffered heavier loses.

I get states rights and all, but states shouldn't weild enough power to decide historical facts.

Garland to make a statement. Not sure how I feel about this. Seems like a no win situation.

So as a gay former high school history teacher, I have to say


1) I'm glad I don't live in Florida


2) I'm glad I don't teach anymore.

You may have seen this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-...obia-rcna35224

I honestly don't know. Can you force a student to test on a topic that they were not taught because the topic was not consistent with the parent's religious beliefs and/or value system?

No I had not seen it so thanks. Pretty much how I would feel in his situation.

I don’t understand

I thought we already had this debate and it was settled that we were wrong in how interpretations would be different and lawyers would be threatening all of the time these teachers and then that it’ll evolve into danger.

Contrition and apologies still hasn’t left the drive way though.

It must be a Tesla because I can’t hear the engine from here but when it arrives I’ll try not to say I told you so.


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This is exactly what Republican end goal is. They are making public schools unable to survive. They have been wanting to end public schools for decades, and they have finally fear-mongered the "gay agenda" and "Critical Race Theory" to get it done.

It would be nice if universities would turn around and say "pound sand" when it comes to these families wanting their kids to get into certain schools. Fine, it won't be state schools in the South, but there are a lot of others. I mean, if you're not open-minded enough to read Shakespeare, GTFO.

Garland just shot that back to Trump didn't he?:cool:

I just want to know what excuse Trump will use to fight the warrant being unsealed.

I expect that if not from him directly, his Fox News and other buddies/"sources" will assert that he did not have the documents on the inventory list, or to make the DOJ look bad, claim they took other stuff that they didn't inventory. Just a full-out lie about the entire thing.

Or, alternatively, that the documents don't meet the definition of classified (assuming that's at issue).

DOJ seems to know what it is doing.

Any lawyers know how long it may take to get the warrant unsealed?

I saw Trump had till the 25th to respond. So, awhile unless they don't challenge.

Good for Garland to stand up to Trump while keeping with DOJ policy not reveal things about an ongoing investigation. And I'm sure Trump will try to fight it being unsealed in every court he can get to, and lose just as he just did in the NY case.

That sucks. This will have lost momentum by then. The Trump camp is totally going to spin this some way. It will be his tax returns all over again.

An add: The judge has ordered the Trump camp to say by Friday whether they will oppose unsealing the warrant. So it could end by Friday if Trump camp chooses. My guess is if they wanted it out they would have already released it.

Uh..?

The search warrant was signed off on by the head of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section. one can reasonably assume the warrant fell under the scope of this section

VERY RELEVANT FYI:

The Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) supervises the investigation and prosecution of cases affecting national security, foreign relations, and the export of military and strategic commodities and technology. The Section has executive responsibility for authorizing the prosecution of cases under criminal statutes relating to espionage, sabotage, neutrality, and atomic energy. ..... It also coordinates criminal cases involving the application of the Classified Information Procedures Act.

Did them get him on selling secrets...oh I hope so...that's a firing squad offense isn't it?

he was set up...

His attorney was present.

Is it at least a paddling? [Simpsons?]

Deep state body double....

Judge orders Trump lawyers to let him know if they are going to file a motion to block the release by 3pm tomorrow. Now how am I suppose to go to my kidney doctor tomorrow? :)

I looked at the docket, and that seems like auto-generated text. A common default time to respond to a motion is 14 days. So I have a strong suspicion that when the motion was docketed, it automatically said any response was due on the 25th (I don't have a lot of talents, but experience with reading federal court dockets is one of them).

Much more telling is the actual judge ordering DOJ to confer with former President Trump's lawyers and respond to him by 3PM tomorrow with whether they oppose.

If they don't oppose, then I think we'll have it minutes later. If they do, I would not be surprised if the judge cuts down that deadline.

Good lord Trump "tweeted" about why was President Obama allowed to take 33 million documents with him to Chicago.Even Fox said enough's enough, release the warrants.

your woundwort sig being posted with all this trump stuff is very fitting. I hope it has the same result

Feels like Zugzwang (for those who don't know Chess, it's a situation where every move you can make puts you in a worse position then you already are).

The guy that attacked the FBI office is dead. He was in the Capital on January 6th, because if course he was.

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another tourist gone too soon...

He was murdered to cover up the fact that he was Antifa!

Looking at the terrorist's Twitter, you can see his radicalization over time and the people that encouraged it.

Just saw a theory that makes sense. Trump always needs to be in control. If he/his lawyers decide that the Court is likely to unseal the warrant, then he will release it while putting his best spin on it.

He will not allow himself to "lose."

Or he fights it all the way to SCOTUS, which will probably vote 6-3 to defund the FBI.

And not a single one of them will lift a finger to support/help those he left behind. They will be on to radicalizing the next rube.

Dark Brandon claims another victim.

Ohio Terrorist tried to shoot his way into the FBI building then was gunned down in a cornfield

The NYT has identified the Ohio shooting suspect as "Ricky Shiffer." There is a Truth Social account using that same name. On the same day the FBI executed a warrant on Mar A Lago, the account made a call to "be ready for combat" and to "Kill the FBI on sight." https://t.co/xifjCxQ43N pic.twitter.com/j99w3NJxZ3

— Travis View (@travis_view) August 11, 2022

I was wondering whatever happened to FarmersOnly!

A dating app for MAGA only. It's gross.

But, more than that, I worry about the inbreeding possibilities that will produce a new population of recessive gene deranged babies. https://t.co/Wv743m6y5P

— Michael J. Stern (@MichaelJStern1) August 10, 2022

added trivia that the ohiorrorist was gunned down near the Ohio Renaissance Festival. Probably by rennies with crossbows for being anachronystic. Several shouts of "huzzah" were heard.

There's an Ohio Renfest? Where is this at?

Ceasar Creek State Park near Waynesville.

So when is the FOFC meetup?

near where the guy died :)

I don't get it :cry:

Report out there that the documents sought related to nuclear weapons and were the highest classification level possible.

If true, how is it possible they had those documents, were negotiating for a couple months about them, and slow-walked the FBI on returning them? Just seems odd.

I would assume to keep the public calm because an insane half-wit absconded with them.

If they have anything where he was trying to sell them or strong arm influence he should be shipped to a black ops site and never heard from again.

People are saying that Jared got $2 billion from the Saudis & the Saudis like nuclear secrets.

There is the possibility that this is a leak to make whatever he actually had look less bad. Sure that's bad, but it isn't nukes bad, so let's just move on.

GOPers last night: It's outrageous that Biden directed the FBI to raid Trump.

GOPers tonight: It's outrageous that Biden didn't know about the FBI's raid.

I dunno about the nuclear documents stuff. I mean, are there just manuals sitting around about how to make a bomb?

Seems like leftist wet dreams. I find it really hard to believe.

The DOJ has been remarkably leakproof regarding this investigation. It does make sense at all of the leaks would be coming from the Trump side.

I think Kushner is probably one of the top 2 or 3 suspects to be the informant.

Earlier today I was trying to think what Trump's next move would be. Leaking something himself, and then blaming the DOJ was the first thing that came to mind.

These allegations are serious enough that when all our “actually, I’m more of a libertarian” friends vote for the GOP in November, they will mumble something about inflation extra loudly as they leave the voting booth.

:lol:

SI

My hope is that the democrats retain the senate, the republicans take control of the house, and someone other than Trump or Biden is elected president in 2024.

That is sort of the hollywood cliche but far from the only and definitely the least likely "nuclear document" that might be in question. Target analysis comes to mind as do satellite images, security protocolls, location, etc. Those are the types of things that could add to "boxes of documents". Some could be actual new knowledge though mucg would be more of a verification (including any hypothetical details of bomb design/manufacturing). But that would be plenty valuable.

Here's an example detailling what is considered sensitive based on an unrelated matter: US Soldiers Expose Nuclear Weapons Secrets Via Flashcard Apps - bellingcat

I definitely wouldn't put "purposeful espionage" anywhere near the top of motivations for Trump. The guy is a narcissist and a horder by nature. It'd be about him still having stuff (almost) nobody else has more than anything, imo. He's the sort of guy that wants trophies. That he couldn't display them on a wall somewhere would only marginally reduce the apeal.

there's no punchline. it literally is off 73 in the ballpark of where the guy was gunned down

So, the right wing defense seems to be that any document can be disclassfied by a president at any time. He doesn't need to even tell anyone. Just by the simple act of taking the documents out of the White House, Trump declassified them. They are saying any rule about declassification does not apply to a president.

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Now Trump is saying that it had nothing to do with nuclear secrets.

If it did not, then those WaPo reporters need to be held to account.

Well of course he's going to say that...and at the same time not release anything that could confirm/deny that.

DeSantis v. Hillary! 2024! The Be Careful What You Wish For Election! :lol:

Tulsi vs. Hawley

Jon Stewart vs. Dennis Miller

Perhaps The Rock puts his name into the mix as well.

Steve Doocy seems to be the only voice of reason on Fox right now, and that is scary. He is usually a pretty high level of moron.



Didn't he do a Post on his idiotsquare that sounded a lot like him accusing the FBI to have planted evidence ? At least i can hardly read that any differently. He's crying "hoax", which we know how much that's worth coming from him, then pivoting to his lawyer not getting to tag along and explicitly talking about information being planted. All in one post.

Also, a group of republicans just did a press conference that, among other shit, went the "well, many things are only 'classified' but not truly classified" route

So somehow, I would guess as a result of a Thomas Massie or Rand Paul e-mailing list giveaway, I get 3-4 times daily bullshit mail from the Epoch Times, which was just banned from Twitter for being full of misinformation. Sure, I could get off the list, but you know, it's amusing to see just what things they are trying to peddle to their readers. Loved this headline from the email....there's never any other context to the story unless you click their link. It's just a headline.

Trump Reveals What FBI Agents Did in Melania’s Closet

Just what do you want the FBI to have done in Melania's closet?

Why aren't there people up in arms that she has her own closet? I thought only rich people could have houses with his and hers closets? Shouldn't that sort of 'elitist' lifestyle cause problems for those supporters?