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The next level stupid has spun so far out of control....
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Cippolini testified for about 8 hours, so I doubt there was a lot of Pleading the 5th there. |
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One of the committee members said he did not plead the 5th and they got answers to all questions they could which probably means he did say executive or attorney-client priviledge on some questions. |
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What a weird story. |
Steve Bannon, ahead of his contempt trial, is saying he is now willing to testify but only if it is on a live broadcast. This seems to be the new strategy. Go live and play to the public.
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Some pundits on Twitter were seeing this as a defense for Trump in any upcoming trials for him. See I waived executive priviledge for Bannon (even though he doesn't have any now). Not sure how the Committee is going to respond to it. With such an anti democracy and Democratic party stance as he usually has, it would not surprise me if he used it just to continue what was started on the 6th. I can't see them allowing him to do it live. |
I think they ought to invite him
Put together a really slick package of videos, and statements from the members and never ever ask him a question but just make him sit there and watch the overwhelming amount of evidence… Maybe even put people next to him that will talk about him and the things he said and never ask him any thing or give him the floor the whole time Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Makes sense. Cold sobering evidence presented without fanfare is killing them So try and drag this back to reality TV land. Committee should just say no. You've got your subpoena. Comply or don't. |
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that would kinda defeat the whole fair and balanced approach they have been taking to these hearings wouldn't it? As much as I would like to see that. If it they were going to do it live, they would have to be ready to mute his mic, and make crystal clear before hand that his was a Congressional hearing not his podcast or a trial, and that he was there to answer their questions only. |
I think they should ship him to Guantanamo and have him answer after water boarding. He's a repugnant vile traitor.
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It's crazy how far the election fraud nonsense has gotten with zero evidence despite multiple opportunities to do so in court. We had the Wisconsin Supreme Court openly question the validity of the 2020 election and Nebraska, a state that isn't going Dem any time soon, is pushing a resolution requiring all ballots to be hand counted under video surveillance.
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Almost like the country has a large percentage of fascists who have been looking for an excuse to impose their form of government on others. |
This shit is written like a 15 year old high school girl would write a mean letter. How low is the self-esteem and worth of people who see this and think that should be the President.
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Does he know he can't pick and choose who he waives it for? It's sort of an all or nothing gig.
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You're acting like the executive privilege existed in the first place. |
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Actually, a filing after midnight from the DOJ gives us another reason. Bannon and Trump wanted to curtail the contempt hearing set for Wednesday because Bannon's attorney lied to the January 6th committee in their filing for refusal to testify. The DOJ wants to the hearing to proceed, and believes Bannon's reversal is in bad faith. |
Looks like he still hasn't produced the documents the Committee wanted either, so hard pass on him appearing
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This feels almost abusive making him do this.
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Trump appointed judge shot down all of Bannon's defenses today, except one and ordered the trial to go as scheduled next week, leaving his lawyer to say: “What’s the point of going to trial if we don’t have any defences” :) Also Lindsay Graham lost his appeal to not testify before the GA Grand jury today too, though he still says he's going to fight it. |
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You know I got several concussions playing Football too, but I didn't sound this stupid right after getting them, let alone 40 years later |
The unadultered grifting that people are willing to support is crazy. Check these price packages
400 Bad Request |
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Unless I'm mistaken, the Presidential ($3995) and Congressional ($2995) have the exact same thing in them, right? Do you get anything for your extra $1000? SI |
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Seating location. You're closer to the shit. That's all I can see. |
Cheney calling out the DOJ. Love it.
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I always make sure to watch Cheney's final statements, cause she always throws a ringer in there-can't wait to see which witness he tried to tamper with.
3 comments about this hearing: 1) Cippolini is still trying to protect the President too much-he was not Trump's lawyer, but White House Counsel-executive priviledge be damned 2)I thought the two witnesses today were effective and wish they had been given more time to speak-I think many of us, myself included have family and friends who were and still are much like the man from Ohio who marched on the Capital thanks to Trump's words. I wish we could have learned more about the OathKeepers as a group and less about its leader. 3)Wishful thinking perhaps, but I was hoping they had direct evidence of Trump meeting with the Proud Boys and other far-righters. 4) Glad the one Congresswoman read the list of Republicans at that meeting. Glad they named the main players in the Rally, wish they had included Ginni Thomas |
I think the witness he called is likely the former CEO of Overstock. Seems like someone Trump would feel close enough to call and he is probably smart enough to not take the call.
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Good thought there, could be right. Was pretty funny when Cippolini didn't even know who he was when he found him meeting with the President with all the other crazies. |
John, I don't think you should be admitting that.
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Saw on Twitter that after the hearing Ayres shook hands with the Capitol Police witnesses that were there and apologized for what he did on Jan 6.
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He said that and didn't even address the statement from Tapper. Anyone can attempt anything, including a coup, with minimal effort. It takes a lot of planning if you want to have a coordinated, efficient, successful coup. If you want it to happen organically, you make sure all the ingredients are in the pot, stir it, and hope it turns out the way you want. Trump was hoping for a combination of the crowd, Pence, GOP state legislatures, and the GOP on the ground in the Capitol to make it happen. This was never going to be a special forces operation, especially "masterminded" by Trump. |
Cool moment.
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I have another candidate on who Trump tried to intimidate-Deputy press secretary Sarah Matthews, who was subpoenaed recently and before the change in schedule, testify this week I think:
Another top Trump aide agrees to publicly testify before J6 committee: CNN - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism |
According to a tweet I just read, the person Trump called is a WH support staff not accustomed to receiving calls from Trump. It happened after Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony.
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Well according to a NewsMax host, Trump must have inadvertently "buff-dialed" the person by mistake, so we are all good here. |
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The DOJ has so much to go after Trump on and they wont. Nutless wonders...
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I don't follow. It's his actions that matter, not whether the guy accepted his apology.
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I think his actions might have something to do with an upcoming sentencing hearing. I think we saw his true colors before he potentially faced a year in prison. The guy showed no remorse until he plead guilty and even tried to blame innocent people for his actions.
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Meh, I think the sheer national view of it meant that it was pretty sincere. There's no way his fellow (former?) Trumpites would accept "I was just trying to avoid jail" as a reason to apologize so publicly after saying the election wasn't stolen to congress. Forgive? Yes. Forget? No. He still has to face his punishment, but I'm thinking that was general remorse |
Of course, this report by a bunch of RINOs won't move the needle at all.
New Report from Prominent Conservatives Reaffirms Trump's Loss and Warns of Danger to Democracy from Baseless Claims of Fraud |
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The problem with the butt dial theory is that every time someone small like a WH staffer says something Trump doesn't like, he automatically says he didn't know the person. So why would he have their phone number if he barely knew them? |
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This is the part I find interesting. If Trump wants the nomination it is his. What do these people, and millions of others like them do? Stay home? Third party? Or vote Trump despite all the horrible shit. |
Most will hold their nose. If nothing else they know the power of having a conservative supreme court and will elect anyone who will keep it that way.
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It doesn't explicitly say any of them voted for Trump or Clinton/Biden. Likely because they didn't vote Trump - or haven't publicly said who they voted for - and that would invariably draw the "Never Trump" argument against them, making this entire exercise look biased in the minds of those who need the most persuading.
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I do wonder if after the mid terms the party will make a concerted effort to make him as irrelevant as possible. They have to know the effect he has on the party.
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They absolutely do. They've supposedly talked him out of announcing a 2024 run a couple of times because they're worried about it hurting them in the midterms. They guy has lost the popular vote twice and lost a senate that is completely stacked to favor their party. The GOP would very likely be in far better shape if he had lost in 2016 and just faded away. They're a minority party that's only holding on because of gerrymandering and electoral college advantages. |
Supposedly Trump is now looking at a September announcement that he's running for President, which I assume would be great news for Dems coming just before midterms. Of course, we also heard he was going to be announcing on July 4th and that didn't happen.
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I've never quite sure when Trump is playing checkers or when he's just following his basest impulses and picking up a pawn and chewing on it. But every time he threatens to run, does the RNC slip him some money or bend to kiss the ring so he doesn't so he just keeps threatening to do it to get that response? SI |
I don't know where to put this, but interesting. Correlation isn't causation and all of that.
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Wait? So you mean the actor brought in to be the salesperson for the policies of the rich really screwed the rest of us? SI |
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The war on drugs was a colossal failure in every way imaginable. I don't think the negative impact can even be measured its so far reaching and still having a major societal impact today. |
Still waiting for someone to put a name behind the accusations that Hutchinson was lying.
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All the anonymous sources who were totally going to come forward and testify. All the gullible idiots who bought into that. |
What a coincidence.
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Well, since the SS can't be trusted, apparently there's a DC cop who can corroborate her story. Not sure if it's the story that she was told what happened, or who actually witnessed the limo incident. |
Bannon's trial starts today and what do you know they were able to find jurors in DC who haven't listened to the Jan 6 Hearings. Judge wants 22 in the pool, have 17 so far. Thought for sure Bannon would "come down" with the flu or COVID, but maybe he's saving that for the actual trial
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Garland should do his fucking job or be replaced. What an utter failure and disappointment.
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They're being very careful and measured.
Meanwhile, trump was our there already saying he'll just investigate everyone and put them behind bars and win to avoid any prosecution. Yet, they are both the same. |
So now they are saying the text are permanently gone and the National Archive is referring agents for criminal prosecution.
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I guess they are in effect taking a bullet for their President.
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Biden is incredibly dumb if he doesn't overhaul the Secret Service immediately. The people who are supposed to protect you being criminals for a guy who is crazy is not safe. |
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Definitely need some major changes. |
In my experience, the more popular a government agency is, the more corrupt it tends to be. Because nobody gains political points by investigating it. Which is why things like public defenders offices tend to be run really cleanly because if a penny goes out of place, everyone jumps on it. And things like police departments tend to end up having corruption because the media and politicians don’t want to go after them. All of which is to say that the Secret Service is one of the most popular government agencies out there. So I suspect that we are going to learn a lot of pretty bad things if they really do start a formal and thorough investigation.
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Bannon trial will have laster longer than the jury will need to convict him after his lawyer calls no witnesses and Bannon does not give testimony (except from the courthouse stairs) Looks like jury gets the case tomorrow.
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And didn't the prosecution only call 2 witnesses?
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There isn't really much of a case. You prove he got the subpoena and that's it. Not really sure what the defense can be. Law is pretty well established.
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I read that they were pushing the idea that the committee kept open communication and offered him to come in for testimony well after the deadline, suggesting it was a moving target and not a drop dead date by action.
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they are counting on one MAGA being on the jury
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Seeing the violence always hits hard. Pence's security detail calling family to tell them they love them because they didn't think they were going to make it out is crazy.
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Honestly, if nothing comes of this, and by nothing, I mean, no very serious charges and convictions at the top, then there never will be, from anyone in the future. There will be no limit to what can be attempted until someone succeeds and then the laws will cease to matter, because all will be lost.
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Love her or hate her, Cheney gets this more than anyone and has totally thrown herself on the sword. You can hate her policy, but she quite possibly may go down in history as the person who saves democracy. |
Don't say it PM, don't say it PM don't say it PM......
{might be the only good thing to come out of Dick Cheney} Fuck....I still hate her, but at least she's drawn a line in the sand and held her ground. It shows integrity, and I admire integrity. |
The footage of Josh Hawley running away from the insurrectionists after he raised his fists in solidarity is hilarious. Showing it again in Slo-
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Yeah so glad they highlighted Hawley like that-he's been pretty unscathed in the hearings so far.
Like a lot of us, there's not much I like about Liz Cheney's politics, but if she does lose re-election, I hope President Biden can find somewhere in the White House or his staff that would not go too much against her beliefs/politics. I think her voice still needs to be heard and not just fade away. |
I imagine she'll do whatever it is that Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, and Tim Pawlenty have been doing since the GOP discarded them.
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I love the way the room erupted with laughter. |
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I don't know if I'd say this about Pawlenty, but it was definitely the fever dream that Ryan and Walker helped create/lead SI |
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They are making fun of him so hard, they are making me nervous. Usually when people pick on white nationalist enough the grab an AR-15 and shoot a bunch of children to prove they are men. As for Liz, foreign policy jobs can be bi-partisan. I think she might have a penchant for invading Middle Eastern countries for invented reasons like her father, though. |
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I finally watched this, OMG, priceless and what a pussy! If anybody deserved to have their lack of t4estosterone called out more, I can't think of them right now. |
I'm more concerned that Hawley would push hard for criminalizing this entire process once GOP is back in charge (in a few months) and generally aligning with Trump on turning the entire federal government into a far right ecosystem by purging career workers to ensure any crazy thing they want to do will be met with no resistance. Picking on/shaming someone like Hawley can backfire when they have power. Frankly, he can help to do far more damage without a gun.
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Dola, regardless of anything they have, or haven't done in the past, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are heroes, that history will remember kindly!
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I get this, but in general, I think it's more effective to make the fascists into clowns rather than super-villains. Plenty of people want to follow the super-villain, but far fewer want to follow the clown. |
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Yeah Jeff Flake is an Ambassador now I think, could be a good place for her to end up (and not inventing reasons for invading them) |
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I think this is far more likely to be a Dukakis moment than a MAGA supervillain origin story. |
Bannon trial is in the hands of the jury as of about 10 mins ago
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They should be back already.
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That seems to be old-guard, conventional wisdom. There are even bigger clowns that have a more rabid following than Hawley, so... |
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It's lunchtime. Let's convict this moron. But first, we eat! |
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And just predicted by many legal pundits, jury got a free lunch then didn't want to come back after the weekend, verdict is in
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You would have to think a short verdict is bad for Bannon.
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I know juries can be a crapshoot but it's really not a complex case. You get a subpoena and have to appear. Kind of a staple of the justice system.
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Guilty on both counts
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So what happens now? Does he just go home with a "L" on his record?
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Sentencing Hearing is on OCT 21 |
Does anyone actually think Bannon is going to serve a minute of time?
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Immediate pardon from trump. Doesn't matter who is the president is, he'll 'invoke' it. |
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It's clownish in a way that doesn't resonate with the MAGA base. It reminds me of how Trump lost faith in Sean Spicer after seeing him played by a woman on SNL. |
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