I feel like Eastman's "I've decide I should be on the pardon list" quote is going to end up in the political version of the "Castellanos deep drive to LF" meme.

looks like OTHER wins

Yeah was wondering, he had a stroke recently. Might have been nice if the Committee had told us that before he started testifying. Twitter was not kind about him until someone mentioned it.

yeah a lot of people on Twitter were mocking that quote I'm not sure which made me angrier that or wen he answered the lawyer's question about not saying anything about that when Gore was questioning the vote in Florida or that Kamala Harris should not use it for the next election, but we should be using it now.

Ok, I had actually wondered about a stroke.

It is hard to overstate just how revered Judge Luttig was in conservative circles when he was on the 4th circuit. There was a point when it seemed more likely than not that he'd end up on the Supreme Court. He was as smart, as conservative, and as FedSoc connected as anyone out there.

It might not matter in 2022, but this is not some former moderate Republican deciding to go make money on the #NeverTrump speaking circuit because he was going to lose reelection anyway. This is someone who, if things were as they should be, would get the vast majority of the GOP saying "Oh, shit. We really do need to excise the cancer."

I kinda thought it was because that's how I was after the small stroke I had a few years ago. Very sluggish when it came to talking. Credit to him for still wanting to testify

We are now at the point where Dan Crenshaw, of all people is being physically attacked at a GOP gathering.. by GOP folks.

Dan Crenshaw Confronted by Angry Republicans Calling Him 'Globalist RINO'

Makes sense. The GOP should have shunted these MAGA weirdos down to the kids' table back in the Tea Party days.

Instead they encouraged them with talk about TRuE PatRioTs and ThE BloOd oF TyraNts. And the most predictable thing of all time happened.

Bunch of losers, as are the people who are willing to overlook all this shit and continue to vote them in while making excuses for them.

Luttig explained on Twitter that it wasn't a stroke. First time on national TV and given the gravity of the moment, he thought through every word before he spoke it as if it was being chiseled in granite.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt of course, but we need more of this. To stave off a civil war between red and blue states, we need a civil war within the GOP. The only thing that makes them act (sometimes) is when something personally affects them. When the consequences of the grift hit too close to home, they'll change their tune.

Yeah I saw that, I can certainly understand the first time on TV reaction and the gravity of the moment. He certainly got his 15 minutes of fame. :)

But I thought making a joke about his eye meant you hated the military.

Crenshaw will be apologizing on Fox News in a few days like a little bitch.

Under normal circumstances that might be the case but district's have become so gerrymandered there's no penalty for being extremists in your party. It's actually become preferred within the GOP.

The Texas GOP at that conference just aligned themselves far closer to the guy harassing Crenshaw than with Crenshaw. You either get on board with MAGA or you get primaried.

I don't know what comes after sad, then funny, then SMH, then just plain pathetic hypocrite, but Kari Lake lives there now...Apparently with a little extra makeup

Brahm Resnik on Twitter: "The Queen of Phoenix drag queens, Barbara Seville, spills the tea all over old friend & Trump-endorsed candidate for Arizona governor, @karilake. #AZGOV… https://t.co/02VnnCYw6c"

Only the finest people:

After former Missouri governor Eric Greitens was charged with violent sexual misconduct, his ex-wife says he bought and hid a gun. He also threatened to shoot himself unless she supported him publicly. Now he’s threatening to kill his political opponents. pic.twitter.com/5Ty98ghxb3

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) June 20, 2022

Last I saw Twitter didn't outright ban the tweet, saying it might be of public interest, Facebook banned it

This is the guy with the sex dungeon. I'm sure evangelical leaders are up in arms.

Well sure, if that's where the restraints are placed.

I guess my biggest question has been the one I've asked before: what is the end-game here for conservatives?

Do they really believe they are under attack and need to start killing the opposition? Do they want to secede from the union?

Do they want minorities working the fields for free and women to be hushed up and in their own kind of servitude to men?

Do they want to hunt and kill gays?

Do they want to do all of this if it's liberals, but if they vote conservative it's okay (apparently not if they are log cabin Republicans).

Do they want to dissolve public schools, force women to home school children, and then have those poorly trained children wind up in the military pool or factories (long as they show up to church on Sunday).

I know they don't mind dead kids, so I guess guns may be given out for every birth. I'm sure they want a white centric population, so I guess my wife and I have to pop a few more out Duggar style.

I'm sure higher education will be frowned upon if not outlawed for anyone not making more than a 1 million per year.

Will voting even be allowed?

I just don't get the end game, is it to rally the MAGATs into actually believing that and then just "saying" it's better or is it actually to shift the dynamics of the country into a white male dominated police state?

Qwikshot, I truly believe there is a Christian Nationalist base to the GOP that wants almost everything you listed there.

I ask how he could keep a straight face and say this, but I don't think Robots can smile.

Pence Says He’s Never Seen a President Lie as Much as … Biden

Pence will go down as one of the most pathetic figures in history. Just a fully emasculated person. All so he can get like 2% in Iowa in the 2024 or 2028 primaries.

Pres Desantis, who strongly believes in parental choice based on so many comments he's made including pushing through legislation based on said tenant, won't order Covid vaccines for kids from the FDA because he doesn't want to give parents the choice. WTF SMH

DeSantis has learned from Trump that hypocrisy isn't a deal breaker for a GOP politician. Indeed, it is arguably a positive b/c it angers the libs.

He's just being consistent. He doesn't favor letting people make decisions that affect their own health.

Learning about the testimony of these fake electors makes me understand them a lot better. They were (falsely) told by the Trump people that they were only submitting a slate of electors to preserve their rights in case the court challenges came out their way.

That makes them rubes, not traitors.

These poor women are the very reason that libel and slander laws were created. They should be able to cash in on the things that were said, and the way that their lives have been negatively impacted.

trump and his handlers are guilty as fuck in all this. The phone call excerpts were quite damning when he was yelling on the call and demanding that his number be met.

The FBI was kind of enough to tell her to get out of her house as there were credible threats against her life. Although they didn't bother to investigate and arrest anyone until Trump left.

Soft fascism. A segregated system where they make the rules and control most of the population. Those rules of course wouldn't necessarily apply to them.

Hyper-nationalism where they define that a "true American" is straight and white. The Christian stuff will get thrown in, but they don't really believe any of that stuff and it's just an excuse for horrific actions.

Political violence will mostly be overlooked as long as it's happening to the segregated class (to be honest, this is mostly happening now anyway). Freedom of press and speech dramatically curbed for opponents.

Elections would technically happen, but they'd be run like we see in many parts of the 3rd world. Not terribly off from where we are today, but democracy would be in name only. The goal of course would be to have a dictator they like who will punish their perceived enemies.

Hungary is a good example of what they want and something obtainable. It's not shocking they held CPAC in the country.

Pretty wild story out of South Dakota.

Jason Ravnsborg Faces Impeachment Trial for Fatal Hit-and-Run Accident - Rolling Stone

While I'm glad Bennie Thompson did not handle the questioning today, I think having Schiff do it was a bad idea. He's good at it, but too tied to the impeachments. They had other options so there was no reason to give him that much face time.

Today was a lot to take in. A lot of it we knew, or had a general idea of what happened, but we have life long republicans and Trump voters laying the plan out for everyone. There's only so much explaining shit away a relatively sane person can do.

I think by the end of this it moves the needle enough for Garland to go after Trump but any charges need to come quick while there's still an appetite for it.

That's the thing that rings so hollow about the anti-committee stuff - for the most part, they've been able to tell the story using long-time, respected (or used to be) GOP officials. So don't give me this biased BS. Just because only one party was involved in the insurrection doesn't make it political. The facts are the facts.

Trump going on the radio to say the GOP made a huge mistake by not putting people on the committee after they didn't to appease him is the most Trump thing Trump could have done.

Throwing McCarthy and others under the bus. No matter how much you grovel, you'll always lose. #ETTD

The biggest problem with the committee is that it doesn't matter. They are doing a solid job of laying out all the crimes that have been committed. But the DoJ has decided that certain people are above the law, so it's kind of pointless.

I guess it's nice to have this stuff on the record for future generations. But it is all kind of pointless in the end.

I'm holding out hope that this is all part of a semi-coordinated timeline to indict Trump and others (probably not anyone else who really matters or who holds federal elected office) so close to when both parties start the presidential campaign process that the GOP has no choice but to move on from him.

I think that ship has sailed. The time to do it was right after Biden took office. 2 years has only emboldened people.

This dude is good!

Politicians on January 6 Hearings pic.twitter.com/79EmiSZzob

— Matt Friend (@themattfriend) June 13, 2022

Dude is really good.

Remember as this Senate race evolves, Missouri had 2 state governments during the Civil war. Take that into consideration when viewing that video. The racism is still here.

He was Impeached tonight

When the narcissism of this man and his family onl6y helps the cause.

Trump aides didn't know someone was filming Trump on January 6 until the House committee got the footage: reports

I still have little hope that the end result of this is punitive in any way, or makes him go away, but I can't imagine the 1/6 footage will be very helpful to his cause.

Georgia probably has the strongest and easiest case against him, but if there's one thing Trump does actually know well its how to abuse the court system. Even if charged he'll be dead before he sees the inside of a court room for any of this.

You are right about that, the question is, how will unresolved court proceedings affect his ability to run? And if he doesn't run and gets elected what then?

Do you mean if there are enough write in votes for him to win the election? I can't see that happening.

I'm of the camp he is going to fund raise right up until he can't then announce he isn't running. That would really leave the republicans in an interesting spot. How many Trumpers would either do a write in or stay home vs those who would still come out and vote red down the ticket.

Father, sons from Puyallup charged for involvement in Jan. 6 riot | king5.com

A father and his two sons arrest for January 6th and they're from my town here in Washington.

The dad is a postal worker, one son is national guard, and the other is in the army reserves. The reserve son also has (likely had by now) a security clearence.

A way too early GOP primary poll has DeSantis and Trump tied in New Hampshire.

I think that the weaker Biden looks, the worst that is for Trump in a primary. If Biden looks beatable, then GOP primary voters are going to focus more on trumps general election problems. If it looked like Biden was going to win the general no matter what, then I could see Trump supporters giving him the nomination is kind of a general FU to the system.

I've been saying for a while I think DeSantis wins the GOP nomination. From speaking to my wife's family and browsing some conservative subreddits he's gaining a lot of steam. Trump's cult would bail on him in a heartbeat if DeSantis looks like the stronger candidate and I think he will be as we get closer to 2024.

DeSantis realizes popularity isn’t a shot policy it's about fighting a culture war and doing as much hateful shit to the other side as you can.

Let's see what happens when Desantis has the whole media's focus on him 24/7.

Let's see what happens when Trump starts to Little Marco him. If Trump runs, I doubt DeSantis does because he knows he'll be risking all of his future ambitions.

And then there's the high chance that Trump loses and keeps 10-15% of the GOP from going to the polls for the GOP candidate.

So much this!

This. This is why this Republican Party can’t be saved. Rusty Bowers, one of yesterday’s heroes, said today he’d still vote for Trump if Trump is the nominee in 2024. Bowers acknowledged Trump illegally tried to steal the election, and yet he’d STILL vote for him again. Fuck.�� https://t.co/dZGkyb1f7a

— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) June 22, 2022

Joe Walsh, hard-right Tea Party darling, who once said he'd support funding for a border moat filled with alligators and also said that abortion is never medically necessary, is the voice of reason of the Republican Party.

Exactly. He is one of the smarter politicians on that side of the aisle. Realizes those voters care nothing about policy and would eat their own shit if it meant other people had to eat a worse pile of shit.

I still think DeSantis on paper looks much better to Republicans than in an actual race with an actual opponent who is willing to punch back. He's never been in a tough campaign and Trump would destroy him once he set his ire on him.

I also think a smart Dem operative would be pushing out stories about how tough DeSantis looks and how they are more concerned with facing him. Getting Trump to go after DeSantis is what their goal should be.

That seems to be about 3 steps too much strategy for the Dems to handle, I think.

Trump doesn't need any encouragement from the Dems to go after DeathSantis. Anyone he perceives as a threat or dares to have a difference of opinion with him is immediately thrown under the bus and attacked. Just look at the dozens and dozens of his former cabinet members and advisors.

Nevada GOP chairman was visited by the FBI who took his cellphone as part of its investigation into the fake elector scheme.

yeah DOJ subpoened at least two of the people involved today

I was reeeeeeeally hoping this wasn't the same as Life's Been Good guitarist/singer. And it is not.

Gaetz and Brooks both have requested blanket immunity to testify before the committee. Wonder why they need that?

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If they're confident they have good info I'd be willing to give it to them. Anything that shrinks Trump's support and has him turning on other MAGA politicians is a good thing. They need to continue to close his circle of supporters in on him. Let him sit in a room with Rudy, Meadows, and the my pillow guy and plot on how to get out of this.

I misread that. They asked for blanket pardons from Trump. Gaetz started asking for a blanket pardon in early December. It is strange how innocent people who claimed they were doing lawful acts were begging for pardons.

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I'm catching up on today's hearing and this one seems like it may have been the most significant as far as evidence and testimony goes. Today clearly outlined that this was a coup attempt with multiple different paths attempted.

Trump pushed for Sidney Powell to be a special counsel to investigate the election fraud claims.

Another weird aspect in retrospect is how these people felt they needed pardons not knowing that the Biden DOJ would not pursue anyone of importance for the crimes they committed.

The DOJ searched Jeffrey Clark's home today.

The easy explanation is that they knew the Dems would push for political criminal charges and they were right because the J6 committee is exactly what they were afraid of. I'm sure that's going to be the play.

There will be no criminal charges. The J6 committee is just a political show.

What then is the point of this? We know full well that if everyone just skates on this, we can kiss an already faltering democracy goodbye. No charges will just embolden people to finish the job they tried to do on January 6th next time the opportunity presents itself.

Do you think that committee and this admin, which is already floundering aimlessly are okay with that being how history remembers them?

Counterpoint: has this administration shown they can do anything besides flounder against their intentions?

Biden and Garland are so terrified of coming across as partisan that they would rather let our democracy be destroyed.

Bannon does have a point here. Seems like selective prosecution.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...d-e7c3c4890000

Also looks like Giuliani filed a false police report and cops played along.

Jan 6 has announced a previously not scheduled hearing tomorrow at 1 pm ET. They have not announced who the witness are and several members of the Committee have come back in town for it. Very intriguing.



Possibilities of Pat Cippoline, the Trump lawyer they practically begged to testify publically, Ginny Thomas, or Alex Holder, the documentary film maker who filmed Trump and family after jan 6.


Edit: Or a mystery guest they did not want Trump to know about-Mo Brooks perhaps, or someone who had refused to testify until now

It could really be anybody, but my bet is on Alex Holder. They found something in the tapes they want out immediately is my guess.

yeah that's posible. Ali alexander has been posting that he was in front of a grand jury on jan 6 this week too

If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next
 

I’m betting Cippolone after a granting of immunity


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I'm guessing the documentary guy with a clip of Trump speaking out of his ass about how he knows he lost. He's just stupid enough and narcissistic enough to brag about it.

I could definitely see this.

That would be my guess. Probably which Reps and Senators he was communicating with.

Might be Mo Brooks. He's awfully pissed that Trump abandoned him.

Saw some rumblings tonight that senior staff on the Committee even were not told who is testifying and one guy saying its lawyers and others.

Looking right now its going to be Cassidy Hutchinson, senior aide to Mark Meadows, who we've seen a bit of in past couple hearings. When I wake up, it might be someone different :)

Better be someone different. Wont move the needle at all.

Washington Post saying the secrecy is because of credible threats in her life.

Until we see what she is testifying, hard to say that yet

Trump started his Presidency caring about the size of his inauguration crowd and ended it caring about the size of his insurrection crowd - to the point where he wanted to remove metal detectors so all his armed fans could be in the photo shoot because "they aren't here to hurt me." And he was livid that the photo of the crowd was so small because so many people refused to pass through the detectors.

But per Tucker, not a single person was armed...

Holy shit

Cowards. All of them are COWARDS!

Yes that is crazy.

The one thing I don't like here is they are mixing in way too much hearsay and it weakens the testimony, IMO. She was privvy to direct conversations or overheard/saw certain things, but then she relays the story of Trump going after someone in the motorcade for refusing to let him go to the Capitol and she's relaying 100% hearsay. I don't doubt it's true, but there should be some corroboration (which I hope is coming) if they are going to have her testify about stuff like that.

So Trump was basically acknowledging that they were there to possibly hurt someone yet demanded they be allowed to March on the capital.

This is not hearsay.

He assaulted a secret service agent too which is wild.

The entire story about what happened in the motorcade was relayed to her by someone else. That is hearsay. She properly testified about other things she directly heard or saw, which is fine. But they kept weaving hearsay in and out of that stuff.

That is why Cheney had her say that the person told her that story in front of someone else who was there, and that second person did not dispute or correct the story. She saw/heard none of that first-hand.