The proTrump protest in Atlanta is also saying if Republicans don't help Trump steal the election they will withhold support for Republicans, especially in the runoff...

Oh no....

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See, I read that as something far more troubling: "we will no longer support any Republican who isn't all-in for Trumpism."

I think it'll turn Republican Primaries into a Trump loyalty test.

It already is, Ben.

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Troubling for whom?

Kelly Loeffler may or may not have Covid. Is in isolation. Spent all day yesterday with Pence.

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Rick Scott is also positive and he was in GA recently. Not sure if he was with her specifically though.

Trump is asking for another recount has in Georgia. He gets to lose Georgia yet again.

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The mid-80s Braves didn't lose this much in Georgia.

When you've lost Chris Christie...

What is this in reference to?

"Quite frankly, the conduct of the President's legal team has been a national embarrassment," said @GovChristie on ABC. “They allege fraud outside the courtroom, but when they go inside the courtroom, they don't plead fraud and they don't argue fraud.”

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) November 22, 2020

Kemp is a loyal Trumpist. Because he refuses to break the law for Dear Leader:

Just to sum this up, Powell says Brian Kemp, the GOP governor of GA and major Trump ally, has been bribed by a voting machine company that she has said is a front for Hugo Chavez and Venezuela to rig the election on behalf of Joe Biden. https://t.co/mccSoNLjPi

— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) November 22, 2020

It's funny because Chavez died almost ten years ago. Yet another right-wing claim that the leftist liberal socialists have time machines they use to embarrass the right.

HUGO CHAVEZ LAID A PLOT TO STEAL THE ELECTION FROM ME.

...Really? more than a decade before you were anything but a laughingstock politically, he knew you'd be President, running for re-election, and that the only way you'd lose is if he, Hugo Chavez, reached out from beyond the grave to bitchslap your ass?

The redacted portions of the Mueller investigation lays out how Stalin stole the 2016 election from Dems.

At what point can action be taken, other than judges tossing these cases out, to curb this nonsense. There has to be some repercussions for this. no?

He’s never faced consequences for his actions; I’m hoping after inauguration they throw the book at him (and his family). I hope the lawyers he uses are just as incompetent.

I mean the lawyers who are obviously wasting everyones time and money.

and not a single elected Republican in Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Georgia is going to hesitate to get in front of a bible to be sworn in asap. Because, of course, their votes were legit.

If you had done your job, America's governors wouldn't have been forced to fend for themselves to find tests in the middle of a pandemic, as we successfully did in Maryland.

Stop golfing and concede. https://t.co/tCXO8etxge

— Governor Larry Hogan (@GovLarryHogan) November 22, 2020

Meanwhile, there are growing number of Republican congressional candidats that lost their elections by 40+ points now claiming their elections were stolen as well.

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You. Can't. Make. This. Stuff. Up.

Um she was at the nearly 2-hour press conference w Giuliani and Trump mentioned her in a tweet. Hard to put the toothpaste back etc pic.twitter.com/Rd1PD5WFi2

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2020

What an embarrassing disaster.

They have trained almost half the country to not believe their own eyes and ears.

HA!

If nobody uses the headline “POWELL MOVEMENT” I don’t know what we’re doing anymore

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) November 22, 2020

I don't get it

I guess I'm always weirdly optimistic, but I hope Trump keeps fighting this. We might never get that 38% back, but the real fight is for enough of that 10% that (a) Trump can't win in 2024, & that the GOP power guard realizes just how dangerous it is to align behind an uncontrollable loose cannon. The more that Trump attacks people like Brian Kemp the better, and the more that his "team" can't stop at saying "election machines were hacked, number dump, technical talk" & feels compelled to add "fronted by a 3rd world dictator who died a decade ago" let's go!

I still very much agree Biden has played this close to perfectly, (and unlike some I never had doubt actual judges & the US Military would be professional), but I do hope as this starts going the liberal part of the media starts incessantly asking every elected Republican to go on the record if this election was stolen or not (and if it's in doubt why they're taking the oath of office) because the more you get on the record giving less than unconditional support for Trump, the more people he'll personally target.

That goes tenfold for people covering the Georgia races... There absolutely are people who will boycott the runoff if they think the GoP duo aren't being loyal enough to Trump, it can't be the Democratic party pointing it out, just get those two on the record agreeing to be as far "left-wing" as Brian Kemp & the GA SecState. Shucks, ask them if they will boycott the primary if they don't also hold a re-vote on Trump vs Biden, some people will get mad when they say no!

LMGTFY

It seems at least 50/50 that the state board in MI will refuse to certify the election tomorrow and then it will go to the MI Supreme Court.

I still think a coup can't happen, but they keep trying.

JPhillips, I do think it will end up in court either way, but the SOS dies also have the option to fire whoever voted against verification. Don't know she will go that route, but she can.

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Would that invalidate the vote, though?

Is she the first person too crazy even for Trump?

First of all, it is "does" not "dies". Sorry for the many typos. And in answer your question, no. It would most likely be legally challenged either way, but she does have the authority to remove someone for not doing their legally mandated job.

My guess is McConnell got in his ear on that one, he really can't afford to have Georgia voters disenfranchised.

You mean, he can't afford to have Georgia voters duped into disenfranchising themselves?

Sounds like one of the GOP members of the Michigan canvassing board wants to take public comments before a vote. I read somewhere nearly 800 people have signed up to comment.

Good luck with that

Yeah, that will devolve into a shit show, nothing will change, just validate it so we can drive one more nail into this nightmare election

It sounds like he wants to hear a lot of people to say he has no choice but to certify, so that he has a defense for fellow Republicans. That's what he's getting.

Could also be that he may want to hear a lot saying he should not, so he has an excuse to hold it up. It will be interesting to see the demographic that turns out for this.

Considering people with an axe to grind in general are way more likely to come forward than those fine with a result ...

You guys realize the meeting is streaming live, right? I didn't make that comment randomly. I've been watching the whole thing.

I've heard more people say it should be certified than say it shouldn't. The one Republican who has already said no has been making moronic comments throughout, supporting people who come by with wild conspiracies and trolling some people who ask for certification. The only time I've heard the other Republican speak up is when he's asked if there is any legal basis to not certify.

They have it on CSPAN. I've just heard some state reps thus far who want it certified and one former rep complaining about Dominion.

I'm watching it now. What I've heard so far doesn't make it sound like they're letting many random nitwits through. Three have read well thought-out written statements, and the fourth was an election poll worker saying that things were solid. All four requested certification and expressed faith that the counting was done properly.

Dola:

It's also quite a reflection on how COVID has changed our culture: I'm now on voter #5. All appear to have been upper 50s/lower 60s and older. None seem to have any problem handling a Zoom meeting.

Dang. Upper 50s/lower 60s white female who lives in Detroit. Short version: "All of my fellow white people who moved out of here to the suburbs, if you wanted to influence the votes of Detroit, you shouldn't have moved away."

Larry, is the demographic I'm seeing so far reflective of the rest of the meeting? Mostly white and older?

Heh. MAGA ain't happy with this meeting...

It's pretty clear, the Michigan Board of Canvassers meeting is just a shit show. Uber Leftist partisan hacks offering "testimony" how everything was just fine, nothing to see here. LOL. #ElectionFraud #RiggedElection

— President-elect Mike (@glockster23) November 23, 2020

Pretty much, yes. Many of them are county clerks for various counties throughout the state, so that probably is the typical demo for that job. I've missed a few people speaking, but the craziest so far was the guy spouting Dominion nonsense.

Sounds like they're going to vote and the other R is going to certify.

The other Republican is saying he's going to certify.

I have only watched for 20-25 minutes or so. Every single person has said they should certify.

Now the non-certifying R (Shinkle) is speaking. Sounds like he's gunning for a job with the Trump 2024 Campaign.

So what's left for Trump at this point? The GOP has to starting putting real pressure on him to not fuck things up in Georgia right?

Start a war with Iran; declare martial law.

PA certifies tonight. That puts Biden at 289, leaving AZ and NV as the only "contested" states not certified. By all logic, it's over. But by all logic, it was over by around November 6th, and that hasn't stopped Team Trump from this nonsense up to now.

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/statu...39425253535745

Every time I think this guy is going to turn the corner...

Based on Trumps latest tweet I think he's finally giving up. Probably the closest we'll get to a concession.

Zero chance he wrote that

:withstupid:

NYT reporters saying that Trump kind of went all-in on Rudy and his conspiracy theories. After the Pennsylvania debacle, he realized that Rudy doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

There is also mention of them asking secret service agents if they would like to move to Florida. As well as some changes to Mar-a-Lago. A sign he is setting up his post-presidency residence.

I hope to God whatever "exaggeration" he made on Fox Business he made in court.

"I'm exaggerating a bit," Rudy Giuliani says on Fox Business as he rails about unfounded voter fraud allegations in Detroit and Philadelphia.

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) November 24, 2020

I heard they are hiring Stewie

wonder if they are asking any secret service agents to move to Leavenworth.

he'll get ten years in Leavenworth or Eleven years in Twelveworth.

--my favorite groucho joke

If so, that would mean he's arrogant enough to think he can remain in the US and avoid legal troubles. I'm honestly not sure if I think that's a good thing. It probably is, but if he did leave that's a mess that would be avoided.

Pretty sure he thinks he made a "deal" with someone not to prosecute him

all he has to do is get an endless stream of secret service to continually stand in front of him and get mowed down by any foreign entities that now come to collect what he owes them.

Shitter is full. Repeat: Shitter. Full. https://t.co/3YmEoRelLq

— Jeff Timmer (@jefftimmer) November 24, 2020

Says the guy who fled to Canada as a 'refugee'.

74 million people chose to back the guy retweeting Randy Quaid. Biden isn't a fix, he is a band aid on a slit jugular vein.

I've seen a surprising number of conservatives complaining about how embarrassing Trump's legal team and arguments are.

It appears with GSA approving the transition going forward a lot of folks on Facebook are finally accepting things.

Of course you have a bunch of conservatives saying how sad they are that Americans chose socialism... Calling Biden socialist is just guaranteed to have the term be far less powerful of a scare tactic for the younger generation.

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You haven't heard the news? I just learned that the Overstock.com guy has proof that's going to reverse results in 6 states. Donations are needed now more than ever.

Roger Stone is threatening to torpedo the GOP senate majority chances if Trump goes down.


Don't threaten us with a good time Roger.

Yeah, apparently there's a big Parler movement to write Trump's name in for GA Senate? Hahaha! Great idea, go for it.

Let me recommend the latest Hell & High Water podcast. Hell & High Water with John Heilemann on Stitcher



Two legal experts talking about the attempted coup, why it failed (at least to this point), and how it showed a weakness in our Democracy. What I found most interesting was the description of the debate about what powers the State legislatures have. Basically the disagreement comes from Rehnquist's concurrence in Bush V. Gore that quotes from a Senate report from the late 19th century that says the legislature has almost a super authority to select delegates that goes beyond even their own states constitution. It was from this that Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani started in September to move the President toward this idea that he could use Republican state legislatures to supersede the election.

The problem with that plan (other than they couldn't get those legislatures to play along) is two fold: First, the constitution does not give the legislatures the right to pick the electors. It gives the right to pick the manner in which the electors are chosen. The Constitution could have left it to the legislatures like it did with Senators, but used expressly different language in this article. Secondly, the Constitution clearly gives US congress the responsibility to set date in which the electors are chosen, and that date has to be the same for the whole country. So if the legislatures decided after the election to change the way of selecting, it would be too late.

It feels better to hear the actual arguments, even if that doesn't mean the Supreme Court might ignore them.
It makes it extremely difficult to see how, though.

I agree, and think it is funny. BUT, I do see one way it could suck. By law, the winner must break 50% to win. So even if Warnock or Ossoff wins, they have to break 50%. I would prefer there not be a third run off, and I could see the race being close enough for that to happen. I liked the idea of Trumpsters boycotting the election better.

Also from that podcast that was harrowing to think about: we were 45,000 votes in three states from having a 269-269 tie.

I read that GA isn't allowing write-ins, so maybe it invalidates that tactic? At least from blocking a winner?

I would think that write-ins aren't allowed in a runoff, otherwise you could theoretically just have endless runoffs.

Write-ins make zero sense in a runoff. The whole purpose of a runoff is to decide between the two final candidates.

It would makes sense if we don't. I hadn't heard that. Dang it. That means people will go in to write in Trump and probably end up voting for Cruella Deville and Montgomery Burns anyway.

Well they probably will still write Donald Trump, but the votes won't count?

We can hope, but I just looked at my sample ballot. There is nowhere to write-in. I guess on an absentee ballot you can just write on the ballot, but we vote by touch screen for in-person. I don't think they thought this plan through (unsurprisingly).

They can just write it on the machine with a Sharpie, and then complain that the machines are rigged when the vote isn't counted. Easy.

edit: what butter and larry said

:lol:

Not exactly sure where this goes, but apparently Parler got hacked. If legit, should be a good amount of info from some big names.

I've seen what looks like legit proof of 5000 compromised Parler accounts including DM's of some well-known figures. Hackers decompiled the app, zero day exploit etc.. I wish I could unsee what I've seen.

— Kevin Abosch (@kevinabosch) November 24, 2020

what does this mean

Again, not sure it's true, but apparently to get verified on Parler, users had to give their SSN and driver license number? Idiots.

I always operate on the assumption that I need to be prepared for the consequences of everybody I have known or will know seeing what I've posted online. The whole anonymity thing is unhealthy IMO. Hence using my real name on this site with the exception of one letter being wrong due to a typo when I registered way back when.

Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania legislature is going to begin holding hearings. Trump campaign championing this a way to air all the crazy affidavits they have. They are also openly telling the legislatures to replace the electors. https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/st...114482176?s=09

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cousin eddie to the rescue

Holy shit, I never realized that.

I have to wonder if trump and his group anticipated a massive democratic victory that they could challenge and say "look at all they won, it was only done through FRAUD and CHEATING!" and I think that would have landed better. Because they do appear that they were totally prepared to do that very thing. But when that didn't happen, they just went with it, because the presidency was lost. The big problem there being that cheating and fraud should have removed high ranking republicans and given the Senate to the D side. Their argument is weakened greatly as a result. Some clearly don't get that, and will believe whatever they hear, but to defend that in the courts, where there was a varied mix of results, just feels like a pretty substantial overreach.

I know it was an unnecessarily "traumatic" 2-3 weeks of uncertainty. But I'm glad we went through it. It shows our election system, laws & courts are healthy albeit with flaws.

We need a bi-partisanship group to review and mitigate these flaws for the next round. This process has made us a better.

Strange. I came to the opposite conclusion. This was a dry run that left us badly damaged and provided an even clearer playbook for a smarter, more coordinated effort to succeed.

And it is not over. Nothing is likely to change the election results, but there is going to be a continuing of the attacks on this election results. It is not going away, and probably not even after Biden is sworn in.

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Right, I agree. This has pinpointed what additional laws need changed so they can just bypass the voters altogether next time