Evander Holyfield is still boxing?

My posts per page has Albion's Holyfield post as the top of a new page. Trying to figure that out out of context was fun.

So a televised rally that will featuring old guys that have no business in the ring getting punched for the dear leaders entertainment, what's not to love?

Since i can get this free, I may have to actually tune in for as long as my stomach can stand it.

Former Trump WH press secretary Stephanie Grisham is writing a "Tell-All" book.

I don't imagine that the title is "Bad things I saw and had the power to stop but didn't, but now I'm writing a book about them, so please give me money." But it should be.

None of these "I'll just stay quiet and then cash in later" folks deserve a dime.

I would pay for an Evander Holyfield-Ted Cruz matchup.

Cruz is pretty fit, has less brain damage, is surely willing to cheat, and is quite a bit younger. That would be competitive I think.

Counter-point - Cruz has the ultimate punchable face, and Holyfield still knows how to punch.

I can't believe we are talking about this, but Holyfield would demolish Cruz.

Would he? If you punch a jelly fish, how much damage is really done?

The FBI has decided I guess to maybe take the guy who put bombs around DC seriously.

#FBI releases new video of the pipe bomber from Jan. 5th – if you have info on this individual, please report it to https://t.co/t8G7LO4hxu or 1-800-CALL-FBI. pic.twitter.com/7seL8Lv24V

— FBI Washington Field (@FBIWFO) September 8, 2021

Trump's statement on Robert E Lee was....something else...

I believe it's called on-brand.

Shocking!

I know it's too much to ask, but can we stop attempting to govern through performance art-type BS and get back to doing real shit that matters?

#BREAKING: Judge rules Florida's new "anti-riot" law championed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis violates First Amendment rights. (via @AP)

— WSVN 7 News (@wsvn) September 9, 2021

Just assumed you were talking about the other executive suggesting he can compel private employers, by fiat, to impose mask/test mandates. My mistake.

Yeah I don’t agree with the President on that one and hope he’ll back away and instead incentivize business to implement their own plans.


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Well, we'll see if that stands up in court, but at least it's a last-ditch effort/attempt to do something that matters and it relates to health and safety, so there's an avenue through OSHA for that. Whether this is the kind of thing OSHA can mandate, I guess we'll see.

I see it as more of a way to get practical compliance because I doubt many large companies are going to push back, and most states don't really give employees an out if they refuse to comply with an employer's requirements. Today is D-day at my job, actually.

Employers don't want incentives if they think they'll have serious issues implementing this type of thing (otherwise they'd have already done it), they simply want to be told they have to do it, and pass that requirement along to their employees. An "incentive" means your employer is getting something out of forcing you to get vaccinated or lose your job. The feds telling your employer they have to do this... much more palatable to those companies that want to do this but need some sort of cover.

That's my take, anyway.

As for whether it's legal or I like/agree with it, that's another question. But I see the administration going on the offensive to combat what is an obvious game plan of dragging the pandemic out so that it affects the 2022/2024 elections. All of these people telling their constituents not to get the vaccine will be telling them that Biden and the Dems did a terrible job to eliminate Covid after Trump handed them a ready-made vaccine to end it.

Agreed, they'll have to fight off lawsuits from some individuals and unions in the meantime, but it's hard to imagine what large company is going to go to bat for the unvaccinated at this point. I imagine a lot of those people are the types the companies would be happy to cast away anyway.

Yup. The GOP gameplan is pretty clear, and the admin has decided that the best way to combat it is to keep fighting.

Not sure if it will work (voters really do tend to blame the party in charge. And if the extended pandemic ends up tanking the economy, then they are in real trouble), but I can't think of a better countermove for them.

That's essentially what one reporter said on one of the broadcasts last night. Companies are happy to have the cover.

My jobs parent company, who previously had contingency plans in place for unvaccinated workers when in office staff start to return (masks, plexiglass around work stations, etc) couldn't get the email out fast enough that being vaccinated is now a condition of employment. No affect on me since I am happily fully vaxxed, but it has already created an uproar and there will assuredly be lawsuits/attrition.

Which in the long run may be a blessing to some of us, who are likely facing layoffs at some point down the road since we are now getting ready to integrate to the parent companies local market center after being bought out 2 years ago.

As I posted in the Covid thread, we had 4 people resign today. Crazy, given the way this company takes care of employees. And now with this mandate, the potential pool of non-vaxx employers just shrunk, too.

If you're not yet convinced of the unbelievable power of propagandist techniques... a wave of people quitting otherwise pretty good jobs over whatever their flag says about rejecting vaccines is... strong evidence.

I assume that when you resign a job like this you don't get unemployment benefits, right?

I got vaccinated but I'm very uncomfortable with all these mandates and allowing companies to pry into ones medical records.

Didn't liberals used to advocate for medical privacy and "my body my choice"?

I think 1 of the 4 had a lifestyle that seems consistent with rejecting vaccines. The other 3 were more or less political. One of them railed several times against it and how it was against his religious beliefs, but apparently he didn't take advantage of the religious or medical exemptions that the company offered, so... I'm calling BS.

I'm sure it's equally divided amongst the tribes (blue and red)... I'm so f'n sure. I call BS too!!! I have called BS on that ridiculous both sides BS garbage and gaslighting that goes on along with the goal posts moving. It's ridiculous that it keeps happening in these specific threads by the same people and they, no matter what, will stare at the fire and claim it's not a fire, it's just red and orange crayons. Trash and bad for the country. I'd argue even unpatriotic and supportive of bad actors (Putin/Russia/NK/Iran) trying to play the stupidity and ignorance of our country along with the echo chambers that Social media has created.

You have a choice. No one is forcing anyone to get the vaccine.

That doesn't apply in a situation where your choice about your body can put others at risk. For instance, "my body, my choice" doesn't apply to drunk drivers either, because their choice puts others at risk of physical harm up to and including death.

My body, my choice applies to choices that don't overtly affect others. Getting a tattoo, for instance. Or drinking 5 liters of Pepsi every day.

I really don't even need to comment, but really, Biden's speech last night offended you after 4 years of apparently not hearing a thing your boss said?

Pence blasts Biden's vaccine speech: ‘Unlike anything I'd ever heard from an American president’

Are we really comparing being forced to carry a child to term with rules like having to wear a hard hat on the construction site? Not saying it's the dumbest argument I've heard, but it's up there.

It's also not being forced on anyone. If you don't want to get vaxxed, you take a test once a week to make sure you aren't spreading a virus throughout the building. There are thousands of workplace rules. You don't get to just walk into a factory and do whatever the fuck you want.

When I went to public school in the 80s/90s, went to college in the 90s, and then went for post grad work again 10-15 years ago, I had to submit proof of vaccinations to be admitted in the public schools (in WV) and the two universities (in WV and NC) that I attended. When I got my first job in healthcare (~10 years ago), I literally had to get MMR and DTP vaccinations (and they were administered onsite if you did not have them).

From the time I was 18 until I was about 37, every job that I ever had required a drug test prior to starting. People have been drug tested for jobs and we have all gone along with it for the last 40 years. The former Florida governor and current senator mandated drug testing for everyone receiving public assistance more than ten years ago. I can't wait to see a reporter ask Rick Scott about the fact that he supported mandated drug testing for people on welfare, but is opposed to mandating coronavirus testing that will reduce the spread of a disease that has killed 650,000+ Americans. The guy bagging my groceries or making my sandwich having smoked weed in the last month has much less of an effect on public health/safety and the health of the economy than someone carrying around an unprecedentedly communicable disease that has killed millions of people and has strained and cost the health care system billions of dollars over the last two years.

These are not new precedents, so let's not act like this is the beginning of a new practice where employers or organizations or the government can test what is in your body before allowing you to work or mandate that you have FDA vaccinations in order to protect others while in public places. Long term anti-vaxxers and folks that have long advocated for the elimination of non-voluntary drug testing can be critical, but it's just disingenuous and conspiratorial thinking for anyone to suggest this is some new precedent.

The issue of vaccination mandates has also been established law for over 100 years: HENNING JACOBSON, Plff. in Err., v. COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS. | Supreme Court | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Credit to Political Wire for sharing the link about the 7-2 Supreme Court ruling from 1905:

I read that case a while back when covid first hit and basic public health mandates were being enacted. I can’t wait for some dope to point out that case is over 100 years old while polishing his AR-15 completely oblivious to the irony.

The zip tie terrorist violated conditions of his release but will still stay out of jail because being a white dude fucking rules.

‘Zip tie guy’ Capitol rioter gets evicted after couch-surfing -- and violates conditions of release - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism

The wikipedia page for Jacobson vs Massachusetts is a reminder that we've done this all before, almost to the letter

Jacobson v. Massachusetts - Wikipedia

SI

That really is a fantastic quote.

Keep an eye on Brazil and it's upcoming election. It looks like Bolsonaro and many Trump backers are trying to run the same playbook.

Yep sorry if someone posted this news already, but former Trump spokesman Jason Miller was in Brazil supposedly for some far-right conference this last week and was detained briefly by Brazilian authorities:

Trump’s MAGA Movement Sets Its Sights On Brazil’s Democracy

It was nice to see former presidents at the 9/11 memorials and just as nice not to see Donald Trump who instead visited the NYPD, and from what I saw just used it as another press conference and did not mention the victims of 9/11 in his remarks (correct me if I'm wrong) And of course he's got that big boxing match to attend tonight.

I've said it before, but the man has spent his whole life desperate to belong to the clubs that were just a bit too exclusive to want him to be a member. And now he has a chance to be a part of the most exclusive club in existence--the Ex Presidents. And he can't enjoy it.

Jeez, Trump really does need money. Here he is shilling for the Moon family at a Unification Church conference yesterday.

The Moonies conference has started.
Here is Donald Trump praising both Rev. Moon and his wife for their “incredible story.”

Their story is they started a dangerous authoritarian mind control cult 50 years ago that is still operating.

Her son Sean deals in guns and was at 1/6. https://t.co/QYVyHCgHig pic.twitter.com/niYS5lp1xk

— Jim Stewartson, Antifascist, #RIPQ ������‍☠️ (@jimstewartson) September 12, 2021

edit: click through to see some of the culty stuff from that conference.

The Cincinnati area has a hotbed racist ideologists for sure, from the kid who murdered the girl in Charlottesville to a number of militia types and people at the Capitol on Jan 6.This is normal think here and was literally a few miles from the home.

Trump supporters celebrate 'Freedom Fest' in Northern Kentucky

I'm just spitballing here, but perhaps a good way to not give off the perception that the Supreme Court is partisan is to not speak at a Mitch McConnell event?

She didn't say that she was upset that the Supreme Court is partisan. She's just mad that people have stopped pretending that it isn't.

This is the modern-day equivalent to "I met a girl from Canada on summer vacation and we're dating."

This terrorist attack flew under the radar last year.

Alleged shooter in prominent attorney murder had anti-Semitic views, stalked Copper Avenue homes | KTSM 9 News

Wow pic.twitter.com/MKyzsU6ZGk

— Eugene Scott (@Eugene_Scott) September 13, 2021

wow wonder who paid for that?

Ok I've now officially seen everything. I can confidently assert that my vocabulary is not sufficient to properly express/respond to that billboard. :banghead:

While that's definitely a rock-solid precedent that government has the power to mandate vaccines, that's just about the only aspect that's comparable to the present situation. The situations are much different in almost every other respect.

Really all you need to say is WTF

That billboard is apparently in MTG's district.

IMetTrentGreen’s district? :confused:

Fantastic

How is that guy(gal?) doing these days?

Magic: The Gathering?

mumble mumble....golden calf....mumble mumble.....

This sounds awfully familiar:


As does this:



Or this:



Or how the founder of said Anti-Vaccination League (Pitcairn) was part of a fake "both sides"-ism paper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P..._titlepage.jpg


SI

The end times say their is an anti Christ. Thought it might be Putin. And indications say it is someone from Eastern Europe.

But Trump fits the bill. Add in a pandemic and a plague of locusts that hit DC, you just never know.

What indications are these? I thought the the Anti-Christ was suppose to be a charismatic person. Have you ever met a charismatic person from Eastern-Europe?

Does it? Doesn't to me. There's no law passed by the people's representatives in this case, the law in the Jacobson case was a state law that allowed communities to mandate vaccines if they saw fit but didn't require them to. Smallpox, which we can all certainly be thankful is eradicated, was far more deadly than COVID ever thought of being, vaccines for it had been around for over a century, there was no testing 'off ramp' there, etc. To say nothing of the vast differences in scientific/medical understanding between then and now.

Point being, there are a great many differences that when the litigation this time around inevitable reaches SCOTUS the court will likely consider.

Not in the litigation but in the situation, but, hey, continue with the literalist approach if that is all you can see

SI

That's not what I thought you were talking about the way you kept referring back to the case itself, saying it was the same 'almost to the letter', etc. *shrug*.

Sounds about right.

Only when convenient.

That whole article is worth a read, and I'm sure the book as well.

Crazy and scary stuff, and also Trump threatening to not be Pence's friend anymore if Pence refused to overturn the election results.

And it's not like Pence was some hero. He grappled with the decision. He did what everyone should do when they have a difficult decision to make, he called Dan Quayle. Quayle talked him out of it.

Fucking fascists.

Just got done reading that and the bolded quote alone should say all you need to hear. Seriously high school student body elections dont have this kind of drama

The problem with this is the people who need to see it and understand the dysfunction he sows either won't see it because it will never see the light of day on the networks they watch, or may see it and will just say it is fake news.

It really is fascinating to see all the people, Ivanka, Kushner, Pence, Barr, etc...try and control and reason with this monster they helped create.

Trump is evil and horrible.

But I am also not cool with military leaders working against the civilian commander in chief and then being praised for it. All sorts of ways that can go wrong.

It's great that Manchin and Sinema think the filibuster is more important than doing what needs to be done to make this much less likely.

This.

I would say that's a feature, not a bug. Having a President with the power to use nuclear weapons to me implies the necessity of having checks against them being used capriciously.

I don't think any of know what the Join Chairman's role is in the government procedure prior to a nuclear attack on China to be sure that he seized power unlawfully.

Already seeing the Trump playbook in the CA recall election even before the polls close and a single ballot is counted. I doubt we will see a clean election and a concession speech in any election that matters for a very long time.

The irony is if they then win don't they have to continue to attack the process even though?

Interesting that you don't object to what I post when I talk about having voted for Biden, when I advocate for aggressive action to combat climate change, when I post about being in favor of increasing immigration or wanting to eliminate the prison system or agreeing that Trump was a terrible President who I'm glad isn't in office anymore ...

No, those posts are never suspect. It's only those where I have an opinion contrary to the unofficial FOFC Party Line.

There's definitely an FOFC Party Line and we're definitely out to get you. We coordinate using my 99% full inbox and take turns picking which one of us will take you to task for not being completely in line with what we're thinking.

SI

So if we eliminate the prison system, then what should we do with the people convicted in participating in the 1/6 riots?

You just really like to argue for the sake of arguing and it can be exhausting...

If they win, they will say they would have won by more. It's perfectly consistent. Never mind the fact that CA skews pretty Democrat overall or that exit polls show they turned out about 43-26 over Republicans, it's all a con. I have a pretty good friend all over Facebook saying the results are based on how many fake votes were cast. We're fucked as a country.

And which group was it that has set about to tear down trust in our institutions?

And which group questioned the legitimacy of the President?

And which group set in motion the politicking of the Supreme Court to serve their own ends?

And which group has questioned the ongoing legitimacy of democratic elections and the entire election process?

And which group insists that god should be the authority of the United States?

And which group attacked the seat of Democracy for the US and the entire free world over the defeat of a demagogue?

And which group questions the legitimacy and expertise of the nations most important scientists?

And which group is more concerned about someone getting $300/wk than a trillion dollar company paying zero income taxes?

And which group is ......I mean....it doesn't end. It goes on forever.

Here's another one I don't get. If god is now going to expel the godless from government.....didn't he already do his job? Point being that God allows all things to happen and already knows the final result. So should that have already happened? Or if the US is a god lead country, and trump was chosen, wasn't Biden also chosen instead as we move forward?

The inconsistencies and cognitive dissonance are dizzying.

I would propose giving them other punishments appropriate to their crimes, which would vary depending on the crime in question.

Once Texas clues us all in on how to magically eliminate rape, we won't need prisons.

What's the punishment for Sedition and Treason?

Treason - Wikipedia

See how that works?

What ever happened to the Arizona audit?

Well, there's this:

Arizona Supreme Court denies state Senate's appeal to avoid releasing election audit records


Funny how the "transparency in elections" people want to hide the audit records.

Type in Arizona Audit in Twitter and go to Top. It's like a journey through a bipolar mind. Half "phony audit," half "fraud was proven - decertify!"

Well since Texas is open carry, why do they even need police?

To monitor federal military "exercises"?

So, sort of like a system of laws that someone, perhaps elected or appointed officials, design and enforce and are based on the severity of the criminal act?

I finally caught Trump in a truth, because if he runs and wins again in 3 years, his dire prediction may very well come true.

Donald Trump Predicts America Will End Within 3 Years

This has been your dumb Facebook post for the day.

Sure, I don't have any opposition to the people's representatives determining punishments, I think that's appropriate. What I'm against is long-term prison sentences being among the punishments 'menu'.

So if long term imprisonment is off the table, what specifically should happen to someone like Sirhan Sirhan (RFK's killer who has just been recommended for parole)?