Basically, I've been following the posts of several local Q idiots. When it doesn't come true they double down and then add to the narrative to make it not coming true fit a grander scheme. People then swallow it hook line and sinker, because at this point they've invested so much of their credibility in it that they need it to be true. I've definitely witnessed the radicalization of people who use to seem normal, just maybe a little right of center politically into full blown nutcakes.

I like the way this guy thinks.


This is the cop that was being crushed in the doorway.

Not for anything like that, but I did have a flight where there were 13 people carrying guns on board (legally of course, like feds, SS, etc) (on a small-er 70 seat jet). They were all traveling to something like the G8.

This is how football in Europe has been doing it from the start (although we don’t have anthems before matches so that was never an option anyway) - everybody takes a knee after the whistle and then the game gets going

Of course, when fans were in stadia, some still managed to boo - in the absence of anthems, they were clearly booing the gesture, so no confusion over intent

It's definitely no longer just an entitled rich crybaby saying "look at me" and giving the finger to the "flag/anthem aka country" by first sitting and then kneeling (after a backlash).

The polls were heavily against not kneeling a couple years back (60-65) but I saw a more recent poll (I think 50-55) with kneel as it became more mainstream and with the BLM protests. I wonder what the polls would say about just sitting during the flag/anthem but didn't find one.

I like your KY BB example, not disrespecting the "flag/anthem aka country" but getting the point across. It'll be interesting to see if the dynamics of the Capitol coup'er and coup'ette changes this any with short-term-spark of patriotism, Trump leaving, and a moderating voice from grandpa Biden.

FWIW, I didn't find anything re: Biden's position on kneeling.

Thanks for mentioning this set of books. I am listening to book 1 and is really good. William Shirer’s 1960 The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich which is widely considered the most thorough historical analysis how and why Nazi Germ y rose to power has notated well.

It is quite ominous how similar are the paths this country and Late 19th/ early 20th century German are.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...6d6_story.html


Holy crap!

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This has largely been my experience, and my reaction, as well. Just complete radio silence for days from anyone I know who considers themselves a conservative. And then suddenly it's back to manic screaming about Twitter banning Trump, or Facebook banning conservative shops, or metal detectors in the Capitol. And I just think, sure, we can have a conversation about any of those things, but where was this f&#@ing outrage days ago?

This is particularly prominent among Republican leaders. They have nothing but some quiet thoughts and prayers for an assault on the Capitol and democracy, but when something happens in response to that, all of a sudden they're Martin Luther King defending our rights. Never a nod to the fact that most everything they complain about has come about as a response to their actions. Isn't this the part of individual responsibility? And yet all they care about is bitching about the consequences of they and their voters' actions.

My Q infested SiL with this gem:

1

Rule #1 when planning a terrorist attack on country leaders: Take off the bumper sticker reading "When they come for your guns, give them your bullets first."

Started muting some Trump Admin people today on Twitter, few Republican far-righters, and hope they will never be in a position to harm this country ever again. Felt good.

So my MIL talks to my wife today and at the end of the call says she's going to text a video to my wife and she doesn't need a response and doesn't want to get political but she wants my wife to see it. The minute my wife tells me this, I start to get pissed. I KNOW it's some bullshit MAGA Trump's going to still be president garbage and I tell my wife I don't want to see it. But she shows me anyway.

And sure enough, it's some dude telling people to stay indoors because on Sunday or Monday, Trump is going to broadcast over the EBS that he is remaining in power and declaring "global martial law" (?). At this point, I get really pissed and start going off on my MIL. I mean, this woman is in her mid-70s so obviously susceptible to scare tactics, but otherwise an intelligent, normal person. How the FUCK do people think that kind of shit is REAL?

I told my wife I'm going to send a message back to my MIL that Marvin the Martian will be coming to Earth on Monday riding a unicorn and declaring himself Grand Pubah of the US, so she should clear her local grocery store of all canned beets because it will please the new Grand Pubah. She was not amused.

I'm over this shit . OH-VER.

Just saw some reporting that this guy had proper Park Police pass, but PP had not communicated that to Secret Service, so he's been cleared of any charges and released.

The guy was charged in court, so I don't think he was released. No pass would gave allowed him to carry that gun into DC.

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Found what it was, Thomkal. The pass wasn't fake, it was "non-governmental", but he was still charged for the weapons and ammo.

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Carol Leonnig from the Washington Post tweeted this about an hour ago, soI would think the Post would have the right story here. She says cleared of any further investigation and released.

Further investigation, but he he still faces weapon charges.
Edit: but he was released, yes.

ah okay. My understanding was that the weapons and ammo were part of his job, so they didn't charge him for that

No, he said he forgot he had them, realized it half way there, and then still came on because he was running late. That mistake will still cost him, but not as much if he had been suspected of something much worse.

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Btw, it was this story that made me finally snap and subscribe to the Washington Post. So the Wa Po thanks you , Thomkal.

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The Washington Post and I thank you I guess. Heh

Well, at least you warned her so you can't be blamed if she isn't ready.

Finally, something of an answer. I kept asking why the 17th fir these big rallies? Other than "it is the weekend", I got nothing. But there is a symbolic thing for the q people with the 17th. Q being the 17TH letter in the alphabet, and this one of those days that they claim something big is going to happen.

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I assumed because if they did it in MLK day, it would have been too overtly racist.

So the rallys are not happening today? I haven't heard much

Yeah I guess not. Kind of wonder if these cowards are going to go into hiding for now and not even come out on the 20th due to the government being ready for them. My worry is they come back to the Capital and /or WH in a month or so after the soldiers are gone.

Edit: oops

According to the local news, there is a large police presence in downtown Raleigh. And they closed pretty much all of the businesses in anticipations of the protests. But there’s nothing really going on.

Interesting new video from inside the Capitol.

Didn't catch it all but the horned guy was getting it on. The Lt. Col did want to keep it respectful etc. A masked Capitol guard trying to shoo them away.

Looking forward to other videos. TBH, not looking forward to the endless public prosecutions and press conferences.

Wait, what?

NJ News 12 reporting nothing happening at our capitol

He had a portable loudspeaker in the chamber and the Q group (I assume) was having a (figuratively) circle jerk.

Why bother when we're going to have global martial law and Trump as world emperor in a few days.

Bigmouth Greene's twitter account suspended for 12 hours. Will be permanent soon I'm sure. She and her maskless friends need to face some kind of charge for giving others covid but I don't think that would fly :(

Joking aside, I wonder if the proliferation of the Q conspiracies actually served a useful purpose here.

There was like 20 armed folks at the Michigan Capitol, apparently. Most left after a half hour

What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol | ProPublica

The 'Revolution' as seen on Parler. About 500 Videos compiled and put into a timeline.

Apparently Parler is back online, being hosted by far-right hosting company Epik whose CEO is named, I shit you not, Rob Monster.

Parler moves to Epik, domain known for hosting far-right content - Business Insider

SI

The FBI should make popcorn as they take down everyone's name and picture...

At least until it crashes and they can't figure out how to get it to work

A number of whom were purposely dressed in BLM/anti-Trump gear to give the right wing news media photo evidence to argue it wasn't pro-Trump people walking around with guns. Ridiculous.

Some nice spots in hell for those execs/companies profiting off this BS

Just do a private ceremony at the WH, sheesh!


@ZekeJMiller
WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense officials tell AP they fear possible inside attack at inauguration, will have National Guard troops vetted.

Hell, do separate swearings in for Biden and Harris. I'm sure there are a lot of nuts who would love to take out Biden, Harris, and Roberts all at once.

SI

USA! USA! USA! ffs

This is a fantastic piece that will help shift perspective on who was there, and how things went down. Like most things, it's not nearly as simple as you're shown.

Why We Published More Than 500 Videos Taken by Parler Users of the Capitol Riot — ProPublica

405,399. We are closing in on that number. That's the number of US soldiers the nazis killed in World War 2. So in a sense, the nazis are trying to beat their high score.

I didn't know about this website.

Thank you for posting.

I am at the 1:51 videos. You can see how the attack built up. People seem to move over to the Capitol at the beginning of Trump's speech when he said that he would meet them there. They really thought he was coming, with some at the after 1:00pm mark thinking he was already there. The seemed to be a belief that Mike Pence had decertified Arizona, but then people started realizing that isn't what happened. Fascinating to me was Alex Jones on a bullhorn yelling at the crowd to back off the Capitol and not harm the police. He did at least try to stop it.
Edit: of course even in his plead, he said to come to his stage "where Trump will be entering the Capitol". They really did believe Trump was going to come in and take over the session.

I personally struggle with the free speech angle. I do believe that Trump is a unique situation so am okay with that but then Greene etc. Who draws the line after a Trump?

Other than for a Trump, it has to be more than hate speech or encouraging a protest.

I don't know the right answer(s) but do have concerns on who make the decisions and where the lines are drawn.

The question to ask is would you be ok with ISIS, Al-Qaeda, or a large, organized Muslim group that said things the same way, or behaved the same. If you find variation in your response then perhaps you've found the line.

So I think this is the only chess move left for Trump, right?
Order January 20th removed from all calendars so we just move straight to the 21st and there's never another inauguration.

Any group that has shown a preponderance of violence and incites violence should be "monitored & controlled", no question.

But there is a grey area IMO. Let's take Congresswoman Greene as a use case. Do you believe this is appropriate?

Twitter Suspends Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's Account : Insurrection At The Capitol: Live Updates : NPR

Twitter, Facebook, etc...have a right to let whomever they want on their platform. They aren't government controlled entities. They have a TOS for a reason.

Whats the issue here?

You don't want to get banned don't act like a douche. It really isn't that difficult.

Plus that helps her. It's much better for her base that she was suspended and feeds in to her narrative. She doth not protest too much.

NEW: The FBI is investigating a claim that a PA woman who rioted at the Capitol on Jan. 6 stole a laptop from Speaker Pelosi's office and intended to sell it to the Russians.

The FBI says she appears to have fled. More about this bizarre case: https://t.co/mJwjcShEDi

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) January 18, 2021

Russia has infiltrated the MAGA right from the top all the way to the bottom.

If the GOP does not purge Trump/MAGA from the party, we're going to have Putin giving the keynote address at the GOP convention within ten years.

This is a really bad criteria for being banned or not.

I think social media companies can do a better job at communicating their rules and be more consistent in enforcing those rules, but, in general, we should acknowledge that most of the time the uneven enforcement comes from being too lenient not too strict. Green has gotten away with breaking the written rules for months and now finally has been told enough is enough.

Criteria for posting at online forum FOFC

Help For New Users Who Can't Post, and General Posting Guidelines - Front Office Football Central


SI

Has anyone checked that computer shop where "Hunter Biden's" "laptop" allegedly was?

SI

It's not so different from the arguments that I had with people in the FB group that I started for our HOA. The argument was, that the Board owned the group (technically I did, I could have killed it anytime, as the founder, and sole moderator for a long time), and therefore the Board could choose what to allow, by setting rules, and enforcing them. If the rule says don't be a dick, and you act like one, and you get suspended, there's no issue there at all.

They cried and whined that it's censorship, and the same people said, their voice wasn't being heard, and I countered that there is nothing in the documents regarding the legality of their 'right' to have a voice in the FB group, or it pertaining to the legal communication requirements on how to petition the Board, or be heard within the association, therefore their rights as owners were not in jeopardy at all. They chose not to pursue any of the documented avenues to be heard, only to complain about the process that saw them punished. I can't feel badly about them at all, nor do I feel badly about someone complaining about social media.

They are still allowed to write editorials, stand on soap boxes, create their own websites where they are free to say whatever they would like. They can write to congressmen, and they are not in danger of having the government arrest them as dissidents. Their arguments are exceptionally overblown.

Then why have a TOS at all? Follow Parlertakes on twitter if you want to see what happens when social media goes unchecked.

I'm just on Parler for the hard core porn now that Pornhub had to scrub their site.

Because Parler is where the real heroes for all of us are; and I think we know who that is.

The "asshat" rule was put in place after years of running this place, and finally coming to the realization that it was 100% impossible to try to outline every type of douchebaggery that could lead to a person needing to be tossed. No matter how big or small the internet venue, there is going to be some subjectivity in these decision. It's just the nature of the beast.

And the douchebags will always try to find a way around codified rules that are still douchebaggy.

SI

Precisely.

It exists everywhere on the net. I mean some places moderate some dont
But threatening poeople has always been a quick way to get suspended. THis is not a difficult nor NEW concept to grasp. It's just that before they were for some reason letting politicians slide probably out of fear and that it was new territory and now finally the damn broke and it really did become life or death.

You. Can't. Plot. Violence. Or. Terrorism. Online. And keep. Your. Accounts.

Appreciate everyone's comments on free speech regardless of whether I agree or not.

It seems pretty open and shut case for vast majority of you. But like some leadership in Germany, France, and EU, I view this as more complex.

I guess we're all just simpleton's living in your complex world.

That did not occur to me but interesting thought.

Isn’t it just the same as freedom of speech - you’re legally free to say anything you want, wherever you want, as long as it doesn’t propose, encourage or glorify breaking the law? That’s pretty universal in democratic countries right?

By default, if you propose, encourage or glorify breaking the law, you’re gonna get your account suspended and likely arrested if they can find you.

Can we get an ADL definition of 'Asshat', please?

It's any wonder we manage to even turn on computers in the morning at all, what with all the complicated letters and doohickeys

SI

where's the douchekey again?

No problem agreeing with this in concept. The concern is who makes the decisions because I contend there are "degrees" & "grey areas". To me, there's no concern about banning Trump, there is concern about others.

See below quotes.

Donald Trump's Twitter Ban Concerns World Leaders, Officials

In the past this would be a david koresh in a warehouse koolaiding his followers and fbi storming that place with a big shootout. Now there is no warehouse. it's a cyberwarehouse and this is invading that.

I know you are playing devil's advocate but this isn't a bunch of nerds calling each other noobs here.

I am glad you are trying to define terms but like I told SI ...

The amusing thing about those European statements on Twitter banning of Trump is that those countries have far more stringent laws against hate speech. Germany criminalizes hate speech (even on social media). France has similar. Both ban Holocaust denial. They just think the government should be the one banning speech.

In my experience, a lot of Europeans are shocked at what Americans are allowed to say without government sanction.

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FREE SPEECH!! Right Edward!!

This is not okay. pic.twitter.com/Fc59SFXCqo

— Parlertakes���� (@parlertakes) January 18, 2021

I didn't think about the banning of "holocaust denial". It's understandable and (I think) approximates the Trump ban.

So yeah, "they just think the government should be the one banning speech" is a pretty good response. It does seem to be the pot calling the kettle black.

FWIW, note the Newsweek article also quotes others from Mexico, Brazil and (the soon to be disappeared) Alexey Navalny.

I have long believed we only exists in your dreams, and I fear the great awakening to pee.

Let me ponder on that as I float in the Matrix.

I was just coming to post similar thoughts. Here is the definition and punishment for Volksverhetzung which translates to "incitement to hatred"

Boebert is supposedly the one that gave the "recon" or "tours". She denies the tour. I have to believe there are CCTV in the Capitol that can resolve this pretty quickly (if not already).

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/18/polit...urs/index.html

They are going to look stupid if she is right. She is going to get the boot if she is lying.

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I suspect she’s telling the truth and it was her family she was spotted with. She has to know if she did do it would be easy to confirm.

Not really. I mean multiple people saw this happen...so an explanation is definitely needed. Her doing shit like this without telling everyone is really bad anyway.

I agree this is most likely.

But I’m willing to say there is a small chance she is lying.

Good to know the laptop is secured. If she really did try sell it to Russia, we should throw the book at her.

https://6abc.com/nancy-pelosi-riley-...vania/9780340/

Nothing shows how much you love the USA like trying to sell sensitive information to Russia

I don't even believe it really. I mean I believe how stupid these people are that they would say "I'm gonna sell their shit to Russia hyukhyukhyuk" and even pretend they know what they are doing but really it's so stupid....I'm sure she has a russian steamfriend that she's played games with but this is so stupid.

I mean yes just make this person disappear and everyone who was there. These people are just so stupid hayseed dumbfuck with extra stupid

Who knew that Burn After Reading would be a tale of prophecy?

MyPillow is being kicked out of Bed Bath and Beyond.

Our BB&B shut down a few months ago. But glad crazy people are being held accountable for their rantings.

Kohls as well

I know there was great concern about Josh Hawley's voice being censored after Simon & Schuster dropped his book following the riots at the Capitol. His book has been picked up by Regnery Publishing. On a related note, Regnery Publishing has a worldwide agreement with... Simon & Schuster.

Cancel Culture indeed:rolleyes:

And Wayfair

Now I wonder how often the Russian embassy in D.C. has to deal with people trying to sell them staplers and souvenir pens people find around D.C. offices and landmarks.

Turns out that the free market works just fine.

I'll believe it if/when he votes to impeach, but McConnell appears to want to take the opportunity to dump Trump and put that ugly 4-year stand behind the GOP.

Also, Pence and others skipping the departure ceremony.