No, they were clearly targeting Pence, and other alleged traitors, and the GOP knows this enough they're warning members they'll risk facing violent threats if they stand up.

The GOP aren't just cynical opportunists, they're scared of the shadows they enabled. Just like when the KKK was targeted by comics portraying them as bumbling idiots we should be pushing memes and narratives painting all of these enablers as the cowards they are.

I kind of have the feeling that absolutely nothing will happen as much as people think. Maybe there WAS going to be something happening big but at this point maybe it will be just a bunch of trolls waving stupid signs and yelling how much they "own" us.

Really the whole trump and mitch and rep game is monopolize all the attention especially if anyone else has the attention and it's positive attention....get it, grab it back and make it all negative. Well they have that. And it sucks that I don't even think the national guard and cops will be ready to just go out there and start arresting people the way they did to all the women that protested cavanaugh or the BLM crowd.

I mentioned a number of pages back that one of the protesters is the main member of metal band Iced Earth. That's him on the picture up on CNN.com right now (angry dude in blue). Funniest meme I've seen so far was "Jon Schaffer is person of interest for the first time since Iced Earth released Horror Show." That would be about 2001.

Interestingly, the next album after that (and last one I ever listened to from him) was a concept album recounting the Revolutionary War called The Glorious Burden. Probably takes on a different connotation 15+ years later.

I am having a hard time wording this clearly. Does anyone have an example of someone facing charges of incitement after giving a speech to a crowd that went on to riot like this? I am sure there are some, but I would really like to see some examples.

"Rushing" through anything is a joke from assclowns who rammed Amy Coney Barrett through 8 days before an election.

So I’ve been trying to work out why this isn’t bigger news, and can only think that in actual fact it’s a one-woman con merchant who is trying to make a quick buck, rather than there being any evidence she actually did provide thousands of votes?

Because no one trusts "Project Veritas"

Also, most everyone agrees that some voter fraud exists.

The false allegations that caused the insurrection were that voter fraud in the 2020 election was systemic or that it altered the outcome.

Just from a little investigation it looks like it would be near impossible to have anyone on that dais actually convicted of incitement. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law...-speech-ruling

Or Ken Paxton.

Well, and the circumstances...

It was someone trying to help an R, and the R lost anyway, so there's a "big flippin' deal" element to it for everyone. Also...

Most Republicans aren't going to point it out because it's one of their own trying to cheat.
Most Democrats aren't going to point it out because it'd imply giving legitimacy to Project Veritas

I really don't know what the big deal is. We all go through metal detectors, body scans at the airport. Pelosi's intent may be punitive with a "I'll show'em" but just as long as all congresspeople have to do this, not a big deal.

I will say I do not know what the layout is but would want congresspeople and staffers to have their own line to expedite movement (like how flight crews get their own line at airports).

Just some crybabies. I wonder what the fine is for the 3rd+ offense is, hope it ramps up.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/polit...ety/index.html

This may have been raised on this thread earlier, but TX Lt. Governor Dan Patrick offered a million dollars for evidence of voter fraud, and 3 people who voted their dead relatives for Trump were charged in Pennsylvania, and a Dem Congressman is trying to collect (for charity). Not surprisingly, he hasn't paid up.

It also shows that any sort of large scale voter fraud would almost certainly be caught. Because even Mickey Mouse stuff like this ends up being caught.

But it is in the GOP's interest to make voter fraud seem like an actual problem b/c they can then advocate for voter suppression measures by dressing them up as voter fraud prevention measures.

It's not a congressman, it's Pennsylvania's Lt. Governor, and he's awesome...

Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. Fetterman relentlessly trolls Dan Patrick seeking $1M voter fraud bounty - HoustonChronicle.com

Law and order party! Until it inconveniences them of course.

It shows that to you and me, but not to folks I know who are much farther right. Every stray Democrat who gets caught cheating, it's "SEEEEE!!!! THEY JUST CAUGHT THIS ONE PERSON TRYING TO VOTE TWICE!!! OBVIOUSLY MILLIONS OF OTHER DEMONRATS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!!"

Nothing says unity like filing for impeachment on Jan 21st.

My office building is 2 building down from the NC state capitol.

Raleigh PD is in contact with building management, who passes any information on to tenants.

As of this morning, RPD has no information regarding any planned activity near the NC capitol building.

Which isn't to say it won't happen. But with the #BLM protests and counter-protests, they were pretty good about knowing what was coming.

Re: States, I agree.

I do think there is a higher risk for violence at the inauguration. The safe choice is for Biden to hold it inside but I believe the right choice (optics for the country, for the world) is to hold it outside.

I agree that the inauguration is a high risk target and likely will see something maybe this weekend at the capital. The states like Michigan, Georgia,Arizona; Washington, Pennsylvania and Oregon are likely going to see violence.

I wonder how these dopes who stormed the capitol feel about Trump saying they aren't his real supporters.

My guess is 80% of them know Trump didn't really mean it, and he was forced to do it because of politics.

They probably just make up another conspiracy like it was a fake video or he was forced to say those things by the deep state and flashed them a sign to show he's still with them.

According to the article, the metal detectors are outside the door to the House floor. Only congresspeople and staffers are going or should be going through there anyways. One way to speed the process up in for members to not do their best to set off the detectors every time they walk through as some members decided to do the other day. The metal detectors are a physical manifestation of the distrust members of the House have for one another.

Is your state capitol secured and open to the public? Ours doesn't have any security and anybody can go in, with the agencies just having their own keylock entry in their offices. And there's only a couple of agencies there, it's mostly conference rooms. You could even protest in it, but I think they just lock the doors at night, and nobody's ever thought to break in. And it's better to protest on the front steps where you can be seen.

I'm kind of wondering if the Trump mobs will try to "take it" on inauguration day, what that would entail exactly, and whether its worth it to even have more than regular stand-by protest security there, and ability to respond if they start vandalizing cars or something.

We've had all kinds of protests all over the city since around May, and they've all really just been big social events. No significant police interaction, no particular nefarious goals by protestors. I wonder if the Trumpers have launched, a different, much more dangerous "goal-oriented" type of protest where they have to do something tangible.

Edit: Your post also reminded me that many years ago I had many beers with some North Carolina Assistant Attorney Generals at a CLE in Arkansas. They were so much more fun than the people I work with.

Our capitol is basically a symbolic/historical building.

The General Assembly meets in the Legislative Building, which is a few blocks away.

The Governor's Mansion is a few blocks away in a different direction.

Our General Assembly is GOP. Our governor is Democratic.

If I were trying to lead either a symbolic protest or a "goal-oriented" takeover, I'm not entirely sure where I would direct it. Which is why I suspect that there will be some folks with signs on the 20th and not much else.

I've been thinking about what I would want to see from GOPers and I've come up with this list:

1 Declare that Biden won a free and fair election
2 Admit that Dems are not trying to literally destroy the country
3 Urge supporters to stop showing up at political protests armed for war

None of this is legislative and none of this is unrealistic(like demanding support for a new Voting Rights Act). If the GOP is serious about unity and healing(I know, I know) this would be a good beginning.

Did you not hear the coded message? He said ‘I cannot emphasise... no violence’

That was his green light - he would have said ‘I cannot emphasise enough... no violence’ if he wanted peaceful protest.

Probably.

I hope it is inside. The chance of a loner taking a shot at him is too great.

I wonder how much White House furniture Melania and Donny are going to steal and or destroy...

Moving day is a-comin'!

Considering it was reported a bit ago admitting defeat is a non starter for Trump, and a maniac Q lawmaker plans on bringing articles of impeachment against Biden on 1/21 because of Hunters laptop, I would say your goals are ambitious.

I don't expect it to happen, but I think they are reasonable demands after what happened.

reasonable is an extremely relative term in this situation

Q is so desperate for some sign of the awakening they think Trump used his hand to send them a morse signal in his allearance.

Q isn't going anywhere any time soon but I'm curious to see how many break off after the inauguration.

Confederate flag guy arrested. Good luck ever getting a job again

He'll be an Alabama state judge in no time.

Please. It's not like he was molesting high schoolers. His ceiling is county court judge.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions...

So, I'm listening to The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard Evans. About 8 hours in and I've finally reached the introduction of Hitler. It's obviously depressing hearing history repeat itself, but it's pretty clear Trump phase studied Hitler more than anything else he's studied.

The main takeaway for Trump seems to be the only way to have successful propagnda is to appeal to the stupidest person in the audience, speak in extremely brief sentences, use buzzwords, and never compromise on anything you say. Just say it loud and never admit a mistake.

Trump just declassified a bunch of 'Obamagate' shit according to Lou Dobbs & John Solomon so he still has some crazy juice left and refuses to just roll over. All of the Qtards on Twitter think "it" is finally happening.

Good timing to release any damaging info you might have AFTER you’ve lost the house, senate, and presidency.

I'm ok with this. I also hope Biden responds by declassifying a bunch of crap from the Trump & Bush admin.

dems don't work that way

#4 seems closest but he won't have to be physically removed ... so doesn't look like we have a winner?

Not surprised.

20th isn't here yet ;)

Hah! I'm not declaring anything until after Biden takes the oath and survives the day.

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Saw this on Twitter and everyone, conservative, liberal, or what have you, should refer to it: A Thread from @JonahDispatch: "Having just heard the 5,000th Trump apologist pundit make the same argument(s), I feel like venting. So, [...]"

TL;DR: Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it.

This has been the out for the right for a while. Anything that there opponents do or might do makes the same behavior fair game for them. Remember during the Bush2 admin and all of the talk about torture being justified because that's what the terrorists do. It's gotten to the point now where everything is excused and they don't even need anything to happen. Their opponents are so vile and evil that anything the GOP does would, obviously, be done by the opposition if they had the chance.

Well, it follows along with the Tarnished Rule (tm): Do unto others as you can claim they might possibly do unto you.

Also, thought this thread from Tom Nichols was good: https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/sta...68097914740737

The part about raising bored children that turn into bored adults hits home with me. It's something my wife and I talk about with our kids. They have much more than we did and are bored more than we remember being. How is that possible? Maybe all of the advancements that we have gained over the last 40 years that are now available for a large part of the population has caused more harm than good.

I've also seen it when working with young athletes. They want to do all of the highlight plays without being able to do the basics. Kids that can't make a layup are shooting 3s when they step on the court.

Maybe that's not the way it is and I'm just busy trying to keep the kids off my grass, but it feels like there's something there...

Reaching the point where we have more troops in DC for defense of the inauguration than we do in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan combined was no easy task.

Hopefully he sees it through and finds himself a bunker somewhere before the inauguration

What are the chances that the delay in larger charges don't come from needing to investigate more, but because they want Trump out to make sure he doesn't pardon them?



Interesting article. Love to see the videos he made of the coup'ers and coup'ettes. Apparently he was not a "passive observer" so yeah, let's investigate and let the chips fall where they may.

Left-wing activist is arrested in relation to siege on Capitol Building | Daily Mail Online

I believe I asked something about "can we slow play the prosecution so Trump doesn't pardon these nuts"

SI

Officer Fanone on the people that helped him as he was being beaten on the Capitol steps.

There was an article that had numerous pics of stuff being moved out. Most of them were understandable including a stuffed pheasant that Meadows (I think) owned.

But the article also mentioned a Lincoln bust (which may be this pic). Maybe legit and owned by whoever, but would like to get confirmation this specific bust was not "lifted".

Four non-Q people I know (including my wife) have received sincere phone calls or texts from friends or relatives imploring them to be safe. All of them have had the following talking points included:

1. Trump is going to be inaugurated.
2. Communication in the coming days (phone/internet/etc.) will be difficult or impossible.
3. You should get some cash out of the bank because electronic payments probably won't work.
4. Make sure you have weapons and ammo.

In all cases, these have sincere messages of concern from someone they know cares about them. It's sad how far down the rabbit hole these folks have gone. This stuff seems to be approaching Jim Jones level.

So where does it go on the 21st?

Will these people think that Trump is really the secret President who was sworn in in Florida the morning of the 20th but they can't tell us b/c of [mumble, mumble] reasons?

I imagine every time anything happens like Harris rescheduling a planned overseas trip, it will be because "She is actually under secret pre-trial house arrest and she couldn't get permission from the judge to leave the country"

Will McConnell be in on it? Is he deep state? Is he Trump's man on the inside?

Will they create a whole secret cabinet? Will Bill Barr be the real Attorney General?

Oh, and pour one out for the poor judge, prosecutors, and public defenders the first time a Q person is indicted federally and demands to raise the defense that the indictment is invalid b/c Biden's Department of Justice isn't real.

And pour another one out for the first time a Q is sentenced by a Biden-appointed judge.

It's supposed to be from one of the museums and is being returned. One of the perks of the job is getting to lightly raid the US collection for the four years in office.

I haven't paid terribly close attention to it all, but I get the impression that whenever a Q prediction doesn't come true (which is, uh, frequent,) there's an 8-D chess explanation given, and the cultists swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Okay, good to know.

I'm okay with borrowing from Museums. We all know from "Night at the Museum" that Smithsonian et al have a bunch of stuff they don't have room to display. Just as long as it's returned ...

This is the way a society gradually (or rapidly?) disintegrates and an earnest succession movement or even civil war eventually happens. When you get such a sharp divergence not just in political opinions but seemingly in values, communities no longer have a shared bond and there's no logical reason to remain united other than history, logistics and practicality. Eventually, the desire to part ways overcomes all of the negatives associated with it. I can see these things happening in front of my eyes in the relationships I have and in similar stories being relayed by others.

Case in point - I live in Kentucky, so I know what that means. I'm under no illusions about the strength of Trump's support here. I know plenty of people who are Trump supporters, and I don't believe many of them to be racist, bad people, etc. But this past week, virtually every one of them was silent on what happened at the Capitol. That includes our local community FB page. To be fair, I have been too - I just have no interest in stirring up drama with family or people I rarely see. Just not worth it. So I come to places like this. So I can totally understand not publicly posting stuff and getting sucked into arguments, etc.

Fast forward a whopping 5 days, and on Saturday night, UK basketball players kneeled during the National Anthem before the UF game. Guess what? My FB feed was suddenly filled with outraged people ranting about respecting military, law enforcement and the American flag. FIVE DAYS AFTER AN INSURRECTION AT THE CAPITOL IN WHICH A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WAS LITERALLY BEATEN TO DEATH WITH AN AMERICAN FLAGPOLE. And these people are outraged over the lack of respect at kneeling?!

I'm just over it. I can be pleasant to these people in day-to-day interactions, but I don't really have much respect for them anymore. They simply don't hold many of the same core values I do. And I'm not sure where we go from a local community, to the larger national social fabric, if things are going to splinter to such a degree. I get having an opinion on kneeling. But in the context of what is happening in DC, to brush that off (or hell, maybe even support it?!) and in the same breath rant in public about the kneeling... no. The lack of perspective and misaligned priorities aren't just things I can ignore anymore.

Joe Biden is about as milquetoast a President, in terms of personality and temperament, we could possibly hope for in the aftermath of Trump. If people won't accept him, we're doomed. I'm hoping that after a year or so of "normal" life without having a Trump-like figure in our lives, people will re-adjust and things will cool down. But that doesn't really solve the underlying issue. The further down the path we go, the less confident I feel about where we end up.

Oh yeah, and every one of the communications had some subset of Biden/Harris/HRC/AOC/Abrams/Cocaine Mitch/Pelosi going to prison for their role in trying to steal the election from Trump.

My in-laws called my wife and said "make sure you have food". And the cash thing.

They said the same thing on Y2K. They are given the credence deserved.

Big kudos too for using the seldom used word milquetoast in the most appropriate and accurate way possible. Everyone learn from Ksyrup

Well, one thing good out of this recent mess ... our enemies know better than do anything that may antagonize Trump right now. So a big win :)

And heavily raid the treasury

SI

I don’t think the guy who was beaten with a flag died. But I could be wrong.

Hearing the police talk about what they went through is chilling. These people call themselves patriots. They should parade every cop through impeachment hearings to tell their story and make the republican twat waffles vote to acquit that.

No, he's the one with the fuck you for being there quote.

Ah, early reporting is that was Sicknick.

Milquetoast
Twat waffles

Y'all making me hungry for breakfast. :lol:

Or just a Shadow Cabinet.

We were kicking this around on a Kansas board because, well, we don't like Kentucky, but were also like "hey, Kentucky basketball did something right (for a change)".

And I came to very similar conclusions about that event:



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Seattle-based Alaska Airlines increases security on flights to DC ahead of Inauguration Day | king5.com

really liking they are forbidding guns in checked bags. WOnder if they are going to arrest people or just confiscate their guns

edit: I just watched the news report about this (the video within the article) and the FAA head talks about being ready to divert planes if necessary. Pilotman have you ever been involved in such a diversion?

Isn't that just shadow puppets displayed on a cabinet? Does that count?

The GOP is an anti-democracy party.

Just look at these poll findings among Republicans. It's very hard to be optimistic about what this portends:https://t.co/GUjwDOc7g3 pic.twitter.com/GyDM6JyAh8

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) January 15, 2021

so now there is this, and don't you have to be convicted before you can be pardoned? Or am I wrong there.

‘QAnon Shaman’ seeking a pardon from Trump for ‘answering the call of our president’

You can be pardoned for stuff you did even if there's no charges yet (or even an investigation). You just can't be pardoned for things you haven't done yet.

Trump won't pardon them. That would drastically increase the odds of the Senate convicting Trump.

These people are in a pickle and are too stupid to know how much trouble they are in. Especially clowns like this guy and podium guy who have become the faces of this thing.

This guy idolizes Trump but Trump loathes him and everyone like them. What do you think would happen if this guy tried to get a tee time at Mar A Lago? Trump has already stated his "real" supporters would never act like that, why would he pardon them?

There was a GOP congressman at the impeachment proceedings that tried to insist that Trump did not explicitly invite these rioters to the capitol building, so I am kind of OK with this case being based entirely around the suggestion that he did.

So there is hope LOL

Tampa native Dave Bautista offers $20,000 reward for ‘MAGATs’ who defaced Florida manatee

Drax mad
Drax gonna getcha

of course he will. He doesn't care about anything except his own bravado and attention paid to him.

And senators have already made up their mind and I think most reps won't do a thing to him like always.

Anyone else have the "My Pillow guy visits white house 5 days before the inauguration with insurrection plans" on their bingo card?

Not out of the woods yet. It would be nice to see Liddell arrested for sedition ASAP.

Like so much the last four years and, especially, this past year: It's both so expected it should be a free space but also surprising that it's even in the game.

SI

Nothing says "I love America!" like trying to beat a cop to death with an American flag (except maybe having an attack bald eagle).

Pshhh, more popular than the free space at this point

In reponse to the Kentucky BB players kneeling for the anthem, Iowa and Maryland came out in their game for the jump ball and all the players, coaches and refs knelt.

I was inspired and impressed. I know the national anthem is important, but would it not have been more prudent to do it like this as opposed to kneeling during the national anthem, which you knew would get negative attention.

Or is it important to do it during the anthem to draw attention, even if it is negative.

Coaches are going to kill KY on the recruiting trail this year.

I think the reason they kneel is to get the attention of people.