There are many more positives to Trump that endears him to many Americans. Him being more a businessman than politician was big. His work ethic and achieving so much in just 3 years is remarkable and brought tremendous enthusiasm.

I can't see this with Biden. To go back to a career politician and a meager 401k. Jobs start to trickle back to China and elsewhere. Biden will sell out to special interest and our trading partners again. That's what he is. Big tax raise, no thanks.

Trump is genuinely for the average working ppl in this country. The poverty level for all Americans was the lowest since 1952 coupled with record low unemployment rates for all Americans. Trump will, and has fought harder for Americans than any other president of record. The hate and vitriol is real here so I'm going to leave this.

The campaign is over, Eric. Your dad lost.

Eric? Not even Don Jr? Man, that's harsh.

SI

I just want to know...when did DJT start caring about the average, working class guy? Because before all this President stuff, he sure didn't seem to display much.

I mean. Trolling on message boards is the job they'd give Eric to do, while they entrust Don Jr. to do real harm in the real world.

I feel like this is what you would get if someone programmed a bot to regurgitate FOX News talking points on text sim message boards.

Thank God this won't come down to a single state, because it could get very ugly if it did.

lol.

should do wonders for her credibility

I disagree with much of what you said but agree with the last sentence.

It actually could if she ignores his nonsense and just does her job.

excellent point

I'm pretty sure his nonsense is her job.

None of the GOP A Team is involved in this shitshow.

No wait...please...don't go...Take your self inflicted victim complex somewhere else.

He had me at "his work ethic." Those golf balls can't hit themselves.

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Right on cue... well, actually this was probably supposed to be saved for a little later after the laughable court challenges are laughed away by even the most true-believer judges...

Lindsey Graham, on Hannity, just raised the specter of the GOP legislature in PA appointing its own slate of electors to hand the state to Trump.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) November 6, 2020

Here we go. If you liked "timely-filed ballots by confirmed American voters should be ignored," then you'll love "these certain states can send whomever they choose as electors, and those people will vote however the state party leaders instruct them to vote."

I can't imagine this goes anywhere, but who knows.

Because our country has "norms" and such? Because there are depths to which this group will not stoop? Because it would be dishonest and harmful to the country?

I hope I'm totally wrong, and you're right, and we have a laugh later about what a dope I was back at this point. Really hope so.

It just seems like the GOP A-Team is sitting this out and I think that's going to be enough when the problem is in multiple states.

But I could be wrong, and plenty of the GOP have shrouded themselves in disgrace already. The most dangerous ones are those competing to get the rose from Trump and/or Trump Jr.

I'm wondering if we're just days away from a ragequit. Seems like a given that in the next 24 hours, not only will the networks call it for Biden, but that by Monday it's 306 for him.

Yanked from other thread:

So if/when Biden is declared the winner:

1. Months of litigation - will Republicans leadership support him?
2. Inauguration - will there be Republicans present?
3. Twitter - will it lock Trump out once he's a "civilian" for anything inflammatory?
4. When he goes on his rallies to state he was mobbed and argues for insurrection, will he be arrested?
5. Will Fox News and OAN or any other right wing site support him and will there be any means by the government to discredit?

I mean when the source of all potential domestic terrorism is the prior president, what do you do?

It begins:

https://6abc.com/police-investigate-...nter-/7689932/

This also begins:

Special Counsel’s Office Opens Hatch Act Investigation Into Trump’s Use of White House for Campaign Events

This seems most likely now”He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14")

I agree Trump announces 2024 run in December and starts having rallies right away stirring insurrection. I would say he has Don Jr or Ivanka as his VP. My hope is criminal litigation takes them all down before 2024.

The fracture happening right now, and for the days/weeks ahead, among people with the active (R) label is pretty important for American democracy.

He'll pardon as many as he can.

Unfortunately, you are right about 2024. I do wish the repudiation was much more decisive but Trump will be the defacto leader for a while. The GOP is doing to be stepping on eggshells to not offend for the next 4 years. It would be great to have a GOP moderate as a leader.

I don't think this stretches out too far. Once it becomes very clear Biden is the winner GOP leadership is going to start pressuring the White House to concede. What will be interesting is who can talk Trump into it. I'm guessing they'll see if Ivanka can talk some sense into him.

Eventually, the grown-ups will go back to the party and let the toddler cry himself out.

I think the Trump Party or the MAGA Party is probably a direct result of all of this. That way he/his spawn don’t even have to pretend to care about the GOP. Just fundraise for as long as you can and pay for play on endorsements

Do you see there being enough for him to be removed before the usual time due to mental incapacity to carry out the role? A few Republicans seem fairly condescending about his tirade yesterday.

I'm curious if we get concession speech. I honestly can see him conceding without a speech. I'm not sure he has it in him to get in front of the cameras and admit defeat.

So a normal day minus a round of golf.

CNN's repeated mischaracterizations of the uncounted ballots probably isn't going to help matters. Don't know if this error keeps getting made in other places, but I'm sure I've heard various iterations of this dozens of times: "these new ballots coming in...errrrr....I mean the ballots being counted that were cast on or before election day that are just now being counted." It's a conspiracy video waiting to happen. "OMG LOOK HOW MANY TIMES THE LIBRUL MEDIA ADMITTED THEY ADDED BALLOTS!!!"

That's how they've always referred to them, so I'll give them a pass for slipping up on that. Only this year we run into the conspiracy issue.

I think his concession "speech" will just be a tweet where he never congratulates Biden and complains about how unfair this election was on his way out the door

Yeah, I've caught myself restating it when talking with my wife. I've been saying Arizona might flip back to Trump instead of Trump may win Arizona after some outlets predicted Biden would win it.

Let’s see just how crazy this shit show gets.

From a source close to the WH: “The legal operation is designed for Trump to save face and ultimately give him the ability to say he didn’t lose the election fair and square. So we’re going to roll with it.” https://t.co/8vFun5OjNf

— Jacqueline Alemany (@JaxAlemany) November 7, 2020

Sounds plausible. But he's definitely still going to use that legal fund to pay himself

SI

They'll concede when donations toward the "legal fund" dry up.

I don't think anyone had the We will not concede speech in the parking lot of a landscaping business?

next to a sex shop, and a crematorium!

God, I hope we learn that Four Seasons Landscaping was a mistake when they were expecting The Four Seasons.

I guarantee that is what it was. This administration is basically a season of Veep.

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It'll be another fun chapter to the tell-all book

SI

Person posted in r/QAnonCasualties today that their Aunt killed herself today leaving a note that she feared the cabal was coming for her and her kids because of trump's loss.

This is the terrifying reality of the world post election and the danger we're facing from this group of people who are sold, lock, stock and barrel that they have the answers.

There have always been and always will be people like that.

I love John Fetterman.

Hey, Governor Patrick- it’s your counterpart in Pennsylvania.

I’d like to collect your handsome reward for reporting voter fraud.

I got a dude in Forty Fort, PA who tried to have his dead mom vote for Trump.

I’d like mine in Sheetz gift cards pls.

ps. The Cowboys blow. https://t.co/Y21Q3ZkSEH

— John Fetterman (@JohnFetterman) November 10, 2020

Maybe the Dems paid him to $131,000 to recant.

Seeing that he denies recanting now. So that's cool.

Sounds like a strong witness.

Almost like your story is going to change when you're in front of federal agents who can lock you up for lying instead of some two-bit con artist.

There's a twitter thread from @bradheath that walks through the MI lawsuit. One of the "allegations" is that they find it hard to believe military personnel would vote Democrat.

There's also an exchange in a PA court where the judge asks if they are alleging any fraud and the lawyer has to answer no. Someone please put the Orange Grinch out of his misery.

Last I checked, black women--Trump's worst demographic--were the most over-represented group in the U.S. Military, and black men--not exactly a bastion of his support-- were #2. Anecdotally, I grew up in a lower-to-working-class black neighborhood, and by far more of my neighborhood friends went in the military than went to college, the work force, or jail--quite possibly more than all of those other categories combined.

The sense I got reading over that thread was that maybe there were a couple of issues of actual concern, but the poll workers were over the GOP poll watchers shit and were only going to do what they were lawfully required to with respect to the watchers, and were pretty happy when they got kicked out.

I noticed that the reasons that many of them got kicked out were not listed, would be interested to know why that happened. Unsurprising.

My wife relayed to me a MI poll worker account that was on NPR in the days after the election, where the GOP poll watcher that they were with was challenging literally every single ballot.

This reads like the crazy uncle explaining how he knows that the Russians are out to get him.

And basically switching Burden of Proof falling on the State is pretty wild as an approach, isn't it ?

The Lawyer named in the case has been doing this for a long while btw, with his organisation (now defunct) egging the DOJ into a year long investigation on voter fraud via fake names that didn't yield a single prosecutable case (and goes by "Thor", apparently)

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...tml#page_start

Looks like Trump just got a win in Georgia they announced they are doing a manual hand recount of all 5 million plus votes and it needs to be done by November 20th. Ian starting to worry these republicans led states like Pa and Ga and maybe Az are going to lock the vote certification up with these lengthy recounts which means if they can’t certify the votes the state (R) legislatures select electors themselves who would be Trump loyalists. The Steal is on!

Georgia was in the recount area anyways (it's separated by less than 0.25% IIRC). It's not exactly a win for Trump if it was going to happen anyways.

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I'm good with recounts. It's actions pushed by baseless fraud allegations that I would be more concerned about.

Our @MarkWinneWSB looked into alleged illegal votes in Clayton County with @GaSecofState investigators - video evidence shows 1 person dropping a ballot off 1 minute late at a drop box. That’s it. All other surveillance video shows normal activity so far https://t.co/zXlEwiK7gR

— Justin Gray (@JustinGrayWSB) November 11, 2020

As someone tweeted, "Butthurt" is not a legal cause of action.

Apparently it’s a win in that it was going to be a more systematic recount instead of humans reviewing every ballot as it is now going to be.

QAnon ballot counting software conspiracies aside, there's far more chance of mistakes with manual counting than computer, so this is probably a win for Trump in that there's way more of a chance for monkey business in manual recounts.

Not quite. And it's not every ballot, basically just a percentage as a random spot check. (well, an Audit)

Journalists, if you’re going to write about this, please understand the difference between a recount and an audit. A risk-limiting audit does not recount all the ballots. Officials manually examine only a PERCENTAGE of randomly chosen paper ballots in such an audit.

— Kim Zetter (@KimZetter) November 11, 2020

Well guess we will see.

Well yeah, obviously i can't rightfully say which it is :D But i do know Journalists are rarely experts on what they report about and don't always mske/have the time to ask one who is or get to the bottom of sth before reporting it these days.

It is going to be a hand recount of all ballots. There was supposed to be an audit, but this is going to combine it with the recount. There is no way I can see a hand recount of all ballots wouldn't go beyond the certification date.

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I just listen to the qoute. It is definitely a full by hand recount.

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And btw, after this hand recount, Trump's people can ask for another recount.

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Yep, this clarifies it.

"This will help build confidence: It will be an audit, a recount and a recanvass all at once," Raffensperger said. "It will be a heavy lift. But we will work with the counties to get this done in time for our state certification." #gapolhttps://t.co/ms5gvArVfg

— stephen fowler covers Georgia's election! (@stphnfwlr) November 11, 2020

And to make this even more fun, the standard for a regular recount is just a rescan count, but the candidate can go to court to demand a hand count done. What do you think the odds are that Trump's people are going to demand another hand recount after a hand recount is already done? I would say 110%

The guy behind the #stopthesteal thing used the social media handle "Ali Akbar"?

I find this sort of amusing in the sense that pro-Trumpers regularly flipped their shit over "Hussein".

(Apparently Ali Akbar has updated his various handles to Ali Alexander, likely to get ahead of exactly this sort of irony.)

Also, it looks like people are starting to pick up on the Benford's Law fraud angle...

A bunch of internet people whose grounding in math is either decades old or didn't extend much past high school pre-calculus (myself included) arguing math in YouTube comments might just prove to be the most unintentionally hilarious thing to come out of 2020.

You should follow Epidemiologists on Twitter for some real tortured math in comments if that's your idea a fun time ;)

Heh. It absolutely is not. My college "fundamental skills requirement" calculus was 25+ years ago. I'm 100% comfortable at this point in my life saying that I don't remember the math, let alone trust myself to apply it correctly.

My guide here is:

1. Know your limitations
2. Find a video or whatever that agrees with your pre-conception, nod along, and feel validated.
3. Resist the urge to comment unless you've done the math yourself.
4. If you can't do #3, refer to #1.

I dunno, it seems to work just fine a good amount of the time :)

So all the suspicions basically boik down to Trump crazies doing what he told them to do as Poll Watchers.

Response from Detroit with a few nuggets on the affiants below those very illuminating responses:

Twitter



Also:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/a...mpression=true

Here's some election fraud for you Donald-in the Florida state senate race:

Evidence suggests several state Senate candidates were plants funded by dark money

MSNBC reporting Chuck Grassely now saying Biden should have access to intelligence reports. Thats a big one to speak up.

New - Sen. Chuck Grassley, who is the most senior Republican in the Senate, told me that President-elect Joe Biden should have access to classified briefings to prepare for the transition.

“I would think - especially on classified briefings - the answer is yes,” Grassley said.

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) November 12, 2020

It's a real flaw in the Constitution that Senators aren't allowed to do anything but make statements.

Something something "everything not enumerated should go to the states"... except that's really not practical in the least.

SI

Well it does appear that Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma is going to send daily intelligence briefings to Biden if he doesn't start getting them by tomorrow.

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And not even an accurate read of the Constitution.

Maybe he will tweet about the fairness in Russian elections next

AZ audit pretty well completed (looks like a couple of counties yet to send results). Spoiler alert - no fraud!

2020 General Election Hand Count Results | Arizona Secretary of State

Shocker, though i am sure they will file another suit to continue this fuckery to undermine Biden as much as possible.

Again, this probably won't work, but holy shit is it alarming.

I'm in a zoom mtg now w/top #Trump advisor:
- Says he ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT concede
- few legal options right now to contest
- Electoral College is next target: claims there are "faithless electors" who can be turned for 20 states. Working on it now.
Electors meet Dec 14th.

— Laurie Garrett (@Laurie_Garrett) November 12, 2020

Militia leader Stewart Rhodes says he has men stationed outside of D.C. ready to engage in violence on Trump’s order https://t.co/H7P9945sCa

— Mathew Ingram (@mathewi) November 12, 2020

Latest insanity from Hill Republicans: House @GOPLeader Kevin McCarthy says about President-elect @JoeBiden -- I "don't know if he'll be president January 20."

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) November 12, 2020

I don't think it will end well for that milita. Doesn't DC have some very strict gun control laws?

Looks like a few more people need to be fired...

Statement from CISA (part of Trump DHS) and state officials says the election "was the most secure in American history," dismisses "unfounded claims," says in bold, "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised." pic.twitter.com/fS7twFPuyd

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) November 12, 2020

Oh, the head of CISA has already said he expects to be fired and the assistant director for cyber already resigned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KBN27S2YI?il=0

I mean...Biden won 25 states and only two are states that have been reliably Republican in the past. Leaving aside the question of "these are electors selected by the Biden campaign in the first place," how is it the Trump campaign thinks they can pick off 38 electors from 20 states, most of which are reliably Democratic-leaning?

Aside from enormous self-delusion, the answer ends up being "we're gonna blackmail them," and that becomes a Constitutional crisis unto itself.

Just read through a long twitter thread live-tweeting the AZ hearing on Trump's lawsuit. What a frivolous waste of time. It came down to 191 overvotes in the Presidential election, with Trump's attorney agreeing that there was no bad intent involved. A complete waste of a day.

what is an overvote? Someone who voted twice?

Can you link the twitter thread?

It's all a fucking ploy to create chaos. Fuck Trump and the lap dogs that refuse to denounce him!

I'm on my phone but I think you can find the thread on @KlasfeldReports Twitter feed.

Also one of the witnesses is a business partner of one of the Trump campaign lawyers.

News outlets have all given AZ to Biden now.

Scoreboard:
290-217
5.3 million votes and counting
3.4 full percentage points

For a bunch of these guys and gals, is this just a 2-3 month vacation? Sucks to not be paid, but if you're a Biden administration, don't you try to get as many of these people back in January?

SI

Trump's Porter Wright attorneys in PA withdrew from representation and for the time being, his only remaining attorney on the case is a divorce attorney. Which seems oddly appropriate.