Of course not, but I one hundred percent always operate under the assumption that politicians are doing what’s best for them, not what’s right. He should be removed. But I don’t think the Democrats want him removed.

In what way will him being removed prevent him from being around to screw up the 22 and 24 primaries?

This is a good point. If these people had planned to do something serious, they could have wiped out most of the legislature easy.

I am a little surprised that this isn't a bigger deal. Politicians are grandstanding but we haven't seen anything like this since the Civil War. The head of the Executive branch told his supporters to take out the legislature.

Anyone in the cabinet with a shred of dignity should invoke the 25th Amendment. The House and Senate should pass through impeachment and removal immediately. Cruz and Hawley should be expelled. Everyone who entered the Capitol yesterday should be charged with a felony.

The issue isn't "it's only 2 weeks, lets ride it out". It's that if you don't stand up, the next time it will be worse. You can't embolden insurrectionists, terrorists, fascists, whatever you want to call them without repercussions.

They at least want to force a vote of some kind. This is an unbelievable winning strategy for future campaigns. "Hawley supported Trump's coup... can you trust him in the White House?"

My cousin just posted that limiting mail-in ballots will solve everything b/c then people will have faith that elections are fair.

The thing is, I am 100% sure he believes that. He’s a good guy.

While Ben brings up a good point, I'm comforted knowing that Trump couldn't possibly win in 2016 and the GOP couldn't possibly survive in 2020. Pelosi clearly understands electoral politics.

That’s a fair point. I would just think they want the chaos of him actually running in 2024. Because if he is not impeached and banned, you know he will start running like three weeks from now.

Him being impeached doesn't stop him from running in 2024.

I'm going way, way back to early this morning, but let's not give Paul a whole lot of credit here. The day before yesterday, this was an email that was sent out for fundraising on the 4th. He doesn't really have a leg to stand on.

I agree with all of this except impeachment, because there just isn't time to do impeachment properly. The 25th should be invoked and he should be removed that way, arrests and charges made, all the rest of it, and setting the precedent to 'just let it go' is wrong also.

I should point out that protesters at Trump's inauguration were rounded up and arrested by the hundreds. They charged many with conspiracy and other crimes because they were in the vicinity of where some windows were broken. This included journalists and a couple nurses who stopped to help. They faced over 60 years in prison for this.

The fact that the US government made barely any arrests while people bragged on camera about committing multiple felonies should tell you about justice in this country.

The Senate can vote to disqualify someone from holding future office as part of an impeachment process.

+1

I was down about the pick but I did read that Garland has extensive history in prosecuting domestic terrorism cases. Probably a good thing with what is likely coming.

Yes, this is the only reason I see to consider impeachment, given the timing. If they can continue the process even after he is out of office, and ban him from office, that would be a useful outcome. Let him go start his news channel or whatever. It's a useful outcome to the Republicans at least, so you would think they might consider it. Otherwise, they continue to have to negotiate with this guy and his followers.

The woman who was shot:

I think Jones or Yates would've been good, but the ability to fill a seat on the D.C. circuit is hard to pass up.

The Beer Hall Putsch is the one you're looking for.

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That’s what I’m getting at. I really think forbidding him to hold office helps the Republicans more than it does the Democrats. He lost in 2020, has lost a few more folks by his actions since the election, and by the way, the Republican Party lost the presidency, Senate, and house on his watch. He’d lose by more in 2024 if he won the nomination, and if he didn’t, his presence in the primary field assures continued chaos in the Republican Party.

THIS genius wore his work badge and then they took it from him :)

It's the other punishment that can happen:

I think there' a lot of truth to that, but it ignores the effect of letting Trump' base have a collective tent to take political shelter & identity under for four more uninterrupted years.

Not sure about that. We just saw how Trumpism without Trump doesn't bring out the same turnout. While Trurmp may still lose in 2024, those low propensity voters can help the GOP in Congressional races just like in 2020. If he can't run, whoever he supports will still be tainted by Trump association, but the party won't have the same turnout benefit.

Bah, if he's banned he just runs Ivanka.

If I were Laura Brannigan I would sue!

I can't see how anyone who was around in 2016 can say well if Trump runs he'll just sow chaos and lose big.

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My boss told me basically the same thing yesterday.

I kind of agree that him running for President would be a loss. But he also drives turnout. Republicans haven't shown they can win when Trump isn't on the ballot.

Yeah, especially if Biden can't run again due to age. Can Harris beat him? We need to get rid of Trump so he can't ever win again because then he'll never leave.

This was in the tent before he spoke yesterday morning. What was the point of that?

Let me paint another picture: 2022 midterm brings a resurgence of MAGA because of Dems feeling like they arleady won. Multiple Trump-picked candidates beat out established Republicans and won election, while the GOP at large take over the House and Senate. Constant conspiracy investigations and "scandals" weaken the Biden presidency greatly. VP Harris wins the Democratic nomination, but is in the midst of a investigation over *insert stupid conspiracy here*. Meanwhile Trump cruises to nomination, and with the help of the GOP statehouses that have tighten voter laws to a point that many people of color are excluded from having their votes counted, we get President Trump round two.
Long shot? Sure. Extremely possible? Absolutely. That is why you impeach.

Chatanooga football is looking for a coach. Any takers?

Then the GOP can get back to what they're good at: suppressing votes the old fashioned way

SI

So we are giving the terrorists the benefit of the doubt as to whether it was a coup or not? JFC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3ENZ6Z6M3NLGOU

Always the brave soul. Screw Graham. What else could he possibly want to see?

How do these folks rectify the fact that entire American states have been voting exclusively by mail since literally the last millennium?

Republicans will probably do well in the midterms because the opposition party usually does. Plus the Democrats hate having power and will do jack shit for the next 2 years.

He has backed candidates before and it hasn't mattered. And in 4 years he'll be 77. At his weight and with his mental decline, you could be dealing with a whole different person.

I think if the Dems think having Trump out there in the field helps them, they're even dumber than I thought and I don't have a high opinion with them to begin with, especially right now. You impeach him now, especially if you have the Senate votes to convict because it also fractures the GOP.

But that's precisely why they aren't doing it because they know they won't get the votes in the Senate and they're having to instead beg for the 25th to be used by a VP Pence who isn't going to do it. So, they can look weak and ineffective with impeachment or weak and ineffective with the 25th begging. And we're all going to be running out the clock, praying Trump, the man with loyal followers all over the military and media and a nuclear football doesn't do something stupid or just sit idly by while our enemies do something awful.

SI

And as if on cue. We can't have too many black people voting in Georgia:

It's not just Trump or GOP members of Congress subverting democracy & enabling domestic terrorism. Georgia Republicans plan to introduce a slew of new voting restrictions on Monday after Black voters turned out in record numbers https://t.co/x31nYVVRUs pic.twitter.com/aJ5WFxOVPl

— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) January 7, 2021

Trump is a cult of personality. There won't be anyone else to take his place in the eyes of his followers ... not Cruz, not Ivanka, not Don Jr etc.

But that is not to say he can't do any damage after 2020. He will influence many of the races in 2022 and if able to, he will run in 2024.

But unlike some that says let's impeach him and stop him from running in 2024, I have more faith in the American public. Trump is an aberration, he won't win in 2024 with the one key assumption that Biden/Kamala presidency isn't a total mess.

Also none of these decisions should be based on 2022 or 2024. You impeach him because he committed crimes and is a threat to the country.

Let me answer for my boss: he doesn't know or care.

Yeah - I'm also here. There may be better political options but you have to do this because it's the right thing to do and this was too big of a thing to not do the right thing.

SI

I hope so. But do you know that? You have a crystal ball? I am not saying my "what if" is definitely going to happen, but it would be great if we do everything we can to not let it happen.

All this is doesn't matter anyway, because the Senate is not going to vote to convict if he's impeached.

This is a start. I still think they should be disbanded and taken over by Secret Service. Need a deep investigation into those who worked with the insurrectionists.

* SENATE DEMOCRATIC LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER SAYS HE WILL FIRE SENATE SERGEANT-AT-ARMS MIKE STENGER AFTER CAPITOL BREACH - STATEMENT TO POLITICO @Reuters @politico

— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla) January 7, 2021

I do think there needs to be some sort of communication program leading up to the next election basically saying here's what's going to happen, here are the checks and balances, here's everyone that will be watching the counting, here's how the mail in are secured, here's the audit trail etc.

Some will still be unconvinced but it will help.

This broke me. I can't stop laughing at this (edit of a video posted a few pages ago)

Animani they pushed me out and maced me : trashy

I said this earlier. But in case I wasn't clear, both chambers should have remained after the certification and booted his butt right then and there.

It is *always* my position that our leaders should do what's right, consequences be damned.

But that's not the real world. I'm just saying that I'm not convinced that Pelosi truly wants him impeached, removed, and banned from running.

Yes it is quite tiresome. What we need to do is drop the 82nd airborne into the northern Michigan peninsula and any other white supremacist havens and wipe them the fuck out. Otherwise in a few hundred years this time will be viewed in history same as 376 AD in Rome.

OMG that's funny.

If she wasn't convinced earlier, she sure seems convinced now.

I know that Dems won't get rid of the filibuster, but they have to find a way to pass a new voting rights act ASAP.

Could you or someone else elaborate ? Might have overlooked some posts, but: Who runs out the clock, why is it easier after Jan 20th (are the two new Senators from Georgia seated then as well ?)

I believe that if Pence and the Cabinet agreed to remove Trump from his position, and Trump objected, the question would be sent to Congress for them to deliberate on. However, until Congress made a decision whether to restore Trump or not, Pence would remain in charge. So if they have a 21-day window, Trump would be out of office before he could do anything about it.

As usual, you underestimate the love Trumpeters have for Don Jr. They love him maybe more because he says the quiet stuff out loud.

FoxNews site with "What About Unity?" as their headline on top of an image of Biden giving his speech today.

This is the problem and needs to stop.

If we can't unify around a message of "storming the US Capitol is bad", there is no common ground to be found.

and articulates it much better than his marble mouthed Dad.

Looking at the social media posts of the woman that was shot yesterday, as callous as it may sound I have a little less sympathy for her. She was definitely unhinged.

Tucker Carlson. If we are talking the next GOP candidate without Trump, don't sleep on Tucker Carlson.

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My lord people would drink kool-aid if Trump told them to. This is amazing.

EDIT: I knew Trump had his suppprters, but I had no idea it went that deep.

I’m a Dem who was rooting for Trump in the 2016 GOP Primary b/c “hE wILl Do teRriBlE in Teh GEnEraL ElecTioN Ha ha LOL at GOP”

And, yeah, I was wrong. If Pelosi has the power now to stamp out that cockroach, she should take it and not try and play 8D chess for an election four years from now.

Capitol Police Chief resigns. Yup, that needed to happen.

How the hell is this the first time I have ever heard of the TheDonald forum?

Trump Riot Planners Feel Betrayed By The President

I did block it on all my browsers just to be sure I don't accidentally make it over there though.

so who finally had the come to Jesus meeting with him?

Nobody. Someone told him, read this crap or else they're going to kick you off Twitter and maybe even remove you from office. The former was the greater threat to him.

SI

Should have impeached while they had the chance. Now he's safe and he'll be a thorn in the side until 2024.

He doesn't believe a word he's saying and this doesn't & shouldn't clear him of anything.

So these Trump supporters who actually believed him and followed him and did what he clearly wanted are now going to rot in jail because he’s dropping them like a hot potato. No one has more contempt for Trump supporters than Trump himself.

I think it takes a lot of the political wind out of the sails of impeachment or 25th amendment. Maybe it shouldn’t, but it will.

Yep, exactly why they need to go after him, or else the chaos continues for 4 more years.

Hey Benghazi folks. Just want to make sure you know that the White House refused to allow the Maryland National Guard to mobilize and five people so far have died.

This video shows the police being overwhelmed. I was wondering where the Rioters got the Police Shield. https://twitter.com/KySportsRadio/st...176223233?s=19

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It's what became of r/The_donald after reddit banned the community.

They won't go to jail.

Yea. I can see the R’s voting down Impeachment.

“Look, he said he’s sorry”

How many Capitol police knew an officer had been hit and knocked unconscious with a fire extinguisher and still let everyone walk out of the Capitol?

Yup - that's what the video does. Dems too slow and stupid, as always.

SI

So maybe the officer didn't die? Insane how there has been no press conference by law enforcement.

US Capitol Police say reports that an officer has died are not true. "Although some officers were injured and hospitalized yesterday, no USCP officers have passed away."

— Mike Balsamo (@MikeBalsamo1) January 8, 2021

Nevermind, I guess he is brain dead and they are waiting on family. RIP

Well, this was a little too prescient for my taste

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/stat...16471795843080

SI

“One current Metro D.C. police officer said in a public Facebook post that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the building.” https://t.co/TdQXsvnCTZ

— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) January 8, 2021

Lol, DeVos resigns

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She was like nipples on a male.

Are my nipples actively trying to defund and privatize me?

SI

I was thinking more along the lines of useless.

She was never getting anything done. No way she was getting education defunded or privatized. Those things will never happen. This pandemic shows how important public education is to this country.

I wish Ben had locked the thread after this post. It would’ve been a fitting end.

Evidently, they were doing the planning right in plain sight.

Extremists Posted Plans of Capitol Attack Online - WSJ.com

Based on everything I am reading, the people that attacked that Capitol told anyone who would listen exactly what they were going to do. Then they went ahead and did it. Many of them did while not even hiding their faces. It is obvious someone like Kovler and others were listening. The question is why weren't the authorities listening and if they were listening then well... yeah I don't even want to think about that one.

Tits on a boar hog.

Rick Perry should have listened to... Rick Perry.

Clever clever...

https://twitter.com/salvucciodamico/...38223328772097

Police Officer dies in riot

:(

So it's true after all :(

People are saying she has an onion in her towel to make herself cry :)

Video footage of the cops being overwhelmed

Big takeaway here is you actually see the police being assaulted and not a single shot was fired.

Hawley lost his book deal

Simon and Schuster cancels Senator Hawley's new book after riots

Hot take...Pence resigns and Pelosi is promoted, then invokes 25th :)