And now Trump's Legal Team-With all due respect the Attorney General, the DOJ did not do a through investigation of voter fraud and he does not have full knowledge of the scope of fraud involved. Paraphrased what they said but that's the jist.

I believe that this is the sole reason that Trump is continuing to contest the election:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...9f8_story.html

Yep I agree-he's setting up his 2024 campaign/legal defense fund for the crimes he's probably going to be formally accused of.

Go cheap on the lawyers to contest the election so you can save money for your own personal defense fund.

SI

That's top notch entertainment.

The way this is phrased makes it sound like a potential crime on both sides, not just an attempted bribe from one side.

BREAKING from CNN:
“The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to a court record unsealed on Tuesday by the chief judge of the DC District Court.”

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) December 1, 2020

Trump is too slippery to ever get that close to a quid pro quo.

It'll be one of his hangers-on who was selling his access to the Boss. There are a lot of candidates to choose from.

It's probably Joe Exotic and Rudy. I'm not sure that 2020 wants to introduce a new character this late in the season.

Pretty sure it is going to be Rudy and the Ukrainians.

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This certainly fits Rudy.

Oh @RudyGiuliani....you are just so bad at being bad. It’s almost like the redactions are from your hair dye dripping all over the pages.....#RudyColludy https://t.co/OEHeAxKoLB pic.twitter.com/aDOe5dXGPQ

— Meidas UMaine (@Meidas_UMaine) December 2, 2020

So can you actually pardon someone before they are accused of any crimes?

Good point. I believe the President can only pardon someone convicted of a federal crime.

Didn't Ford pardon Nixon for any crimes he may have committed or something like that?

You can pardon prior to federal charges. Both Ford and Washington did it. It's incredibly rare though.

Yeah, I guess I was reading from the Office of the Pardon Attorney which specifies only pardons after conviction, but I guess there's some precedent for pardons before a legal case is even brought.

I can't find the link but there was a poll of Republicans to see who they would want as the 2024 candidate if Trump doesn't run. Don Jr and Nikki Haley led at 20% each. Ivanka was up there too at I believe 7%.

I am seeing lots of pearl-clutching over the reports that Trump is preparing to pardon himself and his inner circle before he leaves office.

I am either too cynical or not cynical enough, but I always thought 100% that he would do this after his 4 or 8 years in office: blanket pardons, justified by anticipated persecution by The Deep State.

I am surprised that people are surprised by it.

dola: the only question for me is whether he does the "resign a day early so Pence can pardon him and avoid the questions about a self-pardon" thing.

I don't think he does. Admitting that he might not be able to self-pardon is a sign of weakness. But it wouldn't shock me, either.

A lot of stuff happening in the last 4 years were incredibly rare before it seems.

I don't think that is the case. But it's too outrageous to shrug off and treat it as "well, we kinda knew it would come to that"
Where many did seem to fool themselves is talking themselves into a place of "well, we have safeguards in place", which were quite clearly identified as lacking and too often dependent on people respecting unwritten rules/tradition/values.

Kinda feel like every president should do this now leaving office or between terms. Why have it be an honorable position when someone like Trump sullied it.

Plus it be a great fuck you to conservatives when progressive do it.

"Obama before leaving the White House signed orders pardoning himself and Hillary Clinton. Every Republican congressman and senator immediately combusted into flame."

It fits the narrative so well. Four years ago, you'd figure a pardon means he's just protecting himself as best he can from prosecution for his crimes. Now it's a perfect two-fer - protection for all of his people with the added bonus that all the flavor-aid drinkers will believe he's protecting himself and all of them from persecution for things they didn't do. To keep the grift going, he almost needs to pardon as many people as possible.

We seem to be inching closer and closer to option 4 (physical removal)...

Mo Brooks plans to challenge Electoral College vote - al.com

Dear Dem billionaires,

Just run this over and over on GA TV.

Here's Lin Wood telling Georgia Republicans NOT to vote for Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue next month.

"They have not earned your vote. Don't you give it to them. Why would you go back and vote in another rigged election for god's sake! Fix it! You gotta fix it!" pic.twitter.com/Uvj1QIpqFL

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) December 2, 2020

She or her staff misfiled their TRO to keep Wisconsin's electors from voting Biden. As of right now, the defense doesn't even have to respond until a week after the EC meets.

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status...68556389478400

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pro...ithout-changes

I'm beginning to think that Sidney Powell is a Democratic plant.

I have paid zero attention to the Hyatt Regency "hearings" being held in a few states regarding the election, but this came across my twitter feed this morning and... WTF? The audience applause is the icing. I half-expected Jerry Springer to jump out and say "let her finish!"

“I think Chinese all look alike. How can you tell? If some Chow shows up, you can be anybody and you can vote.” -one of Rudy Giuliani’s witnesses yesterday insisting there must have been voter fraud in Michigan

Yes, it’s an actual quote.pic.twitter.com/nsM0Hc2LE7

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) December 3, 2020

Must have been must-see TV!

Michigan witness for Trump’s legal team had a couple of Long Island Iced Teas before testifying.

pic.twitter.com/LwMnOMpEeN

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) December 3, 2020

Can you imagine being a judge or a lawmaker having to listen these people.

I want to party so hard with that woman.

Isn't that the whole point of these bogus "hearings" in hotel conference rooms--that judges and lawmakers are *not* present, and therefore the "testimony" can be on camera but not sworn in, and as such full of unchallenged lies and nonsense that MAGA will eat up and keep giving money to support?

haha

there is a clip later on in that twitter thread where she said "democrats like to ruin my life just like they ruined Trumps"

Seems totally unbiased.

I don't think there are judges but there were lawmakers of some kind asking the questions.

Heh! I hadn't watched that specific clip. Yeah, I checked and he's an actual Michigan rep. I do believe there was at least of these dog-and-pony shows in a hotel conference room made to look like an official hearing, with a sycophant asking the questions and Rudy's buddies answering.

Oh man - I want those 5+ minutes of my life back. Those clips are so awful in that thread.

SI

Don't know if she was saying there was widespread fraud but the specific point in the clip about needing a picture id is valid IMO. She should have used better examples.

Speculation she was drunk. I'm rooting for a SNL skit on this with Victoria Jackson.

The problem with that is Victoria Jackson is even crazier.

Peak Victoria Jackson is a good call there.

I feel for the poor guy trying to take his job seriously and trying to question her. I'd be looking around to see if I getting Punk'd or something.

If "they all look the same" what good is an ID?

Here is the problem he is creating while trying to "protect" these people: They can now be called to testify and they cannot plead the 5th. They now have the choice of telling the truth, or go to jail for perjury.

When you look at a pic and compare it to person in front of you, I figure it helps to validate vs not having a pic at all. I assume that's why TSA wants a pic id when you go through security line.

Call Rudy! I finally found evidence of voter fraud! Oh, wait. It is Republicans again.
Florida attorney under investigation for registering to vote in Georgia, encouraging others to do the same

Let's hope he gets the maximum penalties.

You kidding! I want more. Inject it into my veins.

It feels like watching, I dunno, the Real Housewives of 1600 Pennsylvania. I have stupid things I watch on TV but I don't watch them to look down at other stupid people - that just seems too mean to me (and not entertaining).

SI

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...a2a3e421c3a52e

Bill Barr is a canny political survivor. And you figure he knows where the bodies are buried (including some that Trump probably doesn't know about).

His actions are showing that he's decided that there's no future with Trump.

Which makes me suspect that there may be no future with Trump.

Who'd guess it?

Rudy Giuliani’s crazy witness in the Michigan election “hearing” was just off probation for harassing her boyfriend’s ex by sending her graphic videos of them having sex.

https://t.co/CaXniG9UPu pic.twitter.com/lCSdKMf7p7

— Helen Kennedy (@HelenKennedy) December 5, 2020